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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:34 PM
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On education: Why hasn't Arne Duncan made fixing (or preferably getting rid of) No Child Left Behind
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 10:34 PM by FLAprogressive
a priority?

the policy of taking away money from underperforming schools is like taking away a cancer patient's chemo and giving it to a healthy person. When will that finally end? I don't think this administration really wants to change it.....do you?
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:37 PM
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1. Jaysus
are you shitting me?

This administration is on track of DEMANDING more of our educational system. We should be applauding that.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:40 PM
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2. How? (nt)
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:43 PM
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4. No, they're trying to dismantle it.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:57 PM
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9. under his watch the chicago school system lost.....
2 million dollars worth of computer equipment. this was`t discovered until the new guy did an audit of the inventory. where did the stuff go and more to the point who took it. this is on top of the usual "misplaced items" that end up in the grey market.

he`s the guy who created the reason for the fenger student murder .

his idea for public education is separate and unequal
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:41 PM
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3. because Arne doesn't know squat about teaching
he's never taught in a K-12 classroom and doesn't know how those damn tests screw up a curriculum and demoralize a teaching staff. Right now he's intent on blaming teachers and destroying what little morale is left in the profession. He made a huge pretense of listening but he'd already decided that charter schools are the answer. Anything to allow business to get its greedy paws all over the education dollars. Just look at who he's palling around with. Newt? Sharpton? I call them the three stooges. None of them has taught and until they've done the job, they have no credibility.

NCLB gives them cover for dismantling public education. I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I am in Obama.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:43 PM
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5. He's a neoliberal, and neoliberals
are in favor of gutting public education. He and the president are two peas in a pod when in comes to public schools.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:44 PM
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6. He's not
blaiming teachers, he's demanding that they excel at teaching!

Good!
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:45 PM
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7. Oh, please.
The guy wouldn't know what good teaching is if it bit him in the ass.

Arne Duncan is a dumb jock type; he's completely in bed with the privatizers.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:45 PM
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8. but not demanding that parents do their part
and students do theirs.

Are you a teacher or are you just spewing philosophy?
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:09 PM
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11. How do
you draw the conclusion that we won't be demanding participation from parents?

FFS, we've been sucking hind tit with our education system.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:15 PM
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14. Because we never have demanded participation from parents and never will
How do you enforce it? Parent police? :rofl:
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:48 AM
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22. arne's a privatizer. the chicago money behind obama = privatizers.
your story line = bullshit.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:33 AM
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18. Hogwash.
He has contempt for teachers and their opinions. He is hearing their voices now.

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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:42 AM
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24. "Blaiming."
Another graduate from NCLB "education" system I see. You actually need to READ and UNDERSTAND NCLB before you attempt to debate the subject as it is obvious you've done neither. Now, get back to us after you've completed your homework.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:59 PM
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10. K & R : )
:thumbsup:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:07 AM
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19. ah, the irony nt
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:10 PM
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12. NCLB had some good points, but it's two primary functions was
(a) destory public schools and replace them with a blend of Charter and Private schooling...
(b) break the teachers union.

It was never funded to the levels originally planned.

But fixing or replacing NCLB will be a gigantic undertaking, similar in scope to the Health Care fiasco. I don't think Obama or the Democrats care to take on that fight right now. There is no time before the midterms, and no congressman will want to push another gigantic progressive bill before they know if they get re-elected.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:21 AM
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25. I agree
I liked the Al Gore ideas that started it. I hated the Republican conclusions that resulted in your a and b. The program could probably be repaired but I think the public has so soured on it, it's unlikely to be repaired and will just be displaced.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:12 PM
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13. Because that would make sense and it's what's best for kids
And if we can't leave any behind, considering their best interests just has to take a back seat.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:18 PM
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15. Because he likes it?
Just a hunch.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:53 PM
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16. So did
Ted Kennedy
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:01 AM
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17. Ted Kennedy thought it was going to be funded.
It wasn't.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:34 AM
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20. Hate to speak ill of the dead, but he was wrong on NCLB
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:46 AM
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21. Nope, they don't want to change it. They're pushing privatization.
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:27 AM
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26. That has been depressing me too.
Privatization has been a big failure in many areas. I hate to see more of it being pushed.

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 06:26 PM
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27. anger is a better response than depression.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:37 AM
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23. Someone needs to ask Obama point blank if he rejects Milton Friedman from his U of Chi days
Right now it looks like Obama is your typical University of Chicago corporatist.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 06:29 PM
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28. You have just hit the nail on the head
about Obama and his associates.
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