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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:41 PM
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Workers getting angrier at corporations.... some looking at a new direction--Mondragon Corp.
I've been listening to people, both politically aware and not, who are seeing clearly that it is the corporations that are making their lives much more miserable than they should be. These people are liberal, conservative and apolitical, but they are pissed. There is much common ground here, if we would only listen to them, and acknowledge their anger, and help them to direct it where it belongs.

Last week, Thom Hartmann had Leo Gerard, president of United Steel Workers, on his program and they talked about the Mondragon Corporation. I mentioned this to a local friend, and finally had the time to look it up. It is indeed very interesting, and I'm glad USW is looking into this.

The building anger is sure to blow, and it will be ugly, if history is any clue. So, it would be very good to start studying concepts like this, and work to build new alternatives before that ugly blowup happens.

Mondragon Corporation


From its origins forty years ago as an employee-owned cooperative manufacturing paraffin stoves, Mondragon has grown to 160 employee-owned cooperatives, involving 23,000 member owners, with sales grossing $3 billion dollars US in 1991. Statistics show the Mondragon cooperatives to be twice as profitable as the average corporation in Spain with employee productivity surpassing any other Spanish organization. It has its own bank, a research institute, an entrepreneurial division, insurance and social security institutions, schools, a college, a health maintenance system and a health insurance cooperative. It is focused on relational cooperatives dedicated to the common good.
http://www.iisd.org/50comm/commdb/list/c13.htm
Gerard’s union has just announced a merger “deal” of its own — to help put an end to that hemorrhaging of jobs and futures. The Steelworkers will be joining with the Spanish-based Mondragón International, the world’s largest network of industrial worker cooperatives, in a bid to “transform manufacturing practices in North America.”

“We need a new business model,” Gerard explains, “that invests in workers and invests in communities.”

Mondragón may just fit that bill. The Mondragón network, launched 53 years ago by a visionary Basque priest, has become Spain’s seventh-largest business group and currently operates 260 enterprises in over 40 countries — making everything from high-tech tools to refrigerators.

Workers in Mondragón cooperatives own their enterprises. They each have an equal share and an equal vote in key enterprise policy decisions. Workers in Mondragón businesses, notes long-time progressive analyst Carl Davidson, “themselves decide on the income spread between the lowest-paid worker and the highest-paid manager.”

That spread, across the Mondragón universe, averages 4.5 times. In the United States last year, CEOs averaged 319 times the pay of average U.S. workers.

The United Steelworkers, the biggest union of manufacturing workers in the United States, will now be looking to apply Mondragón principles to “viable small businesses in appropriate sectors where the current owners are interested in cashing out.”

“We see Mondragón’s cooperative model with ‘one worker, one vote’ ownership,” says Steelworkers president Gerard, “as a means to re-empower workers and make business accountable to Main Street instead of Wall Street.”

For thousands of workers at Black & Decker, and millions of consumers, that accountability may come a little too late.

http://blog.usw.org/
The Mondragón Corporation is a group of manufacturing, financial, retail and knowledge companies based in the Basque Country and extended over the rest of Spain and abroad. It is one of the world's largest worker cooperatives and one important example of workers' self-management.

The company was founded in Arrasate, a town in Gipuzkoa known as Mondragón in Spanish. The town had suffered badly in the Spanish Civil War and there was mass unemployment. A young priest, Father José María Arizmendiarrieta, arrived in 1941 and decided to focus on the economic development of the town, settling upon co-operative methods to achieve his goals. Co-operatives and self-help organisations had a long tradition in the Basque Country but had died away after the fascist victory in the Spanish Civil War.

In 1943, Arizmendi set up a democratically-managed Polytechnic School. The school played a key role in the emergence and development of the co-operative movement. In 1956, five young graduates of the school set up the first co-operative enterprise, named ULGOR (now Fagor Electrodomésticos) after their surnames, which during its early years focused on the manufacture of petrol-based heaters and cookers. In 1959, they then set up the Caja Laboral Popular ("People's Worker Bank"), a credit union that both allowed the co-operative members access to financial services and subsequently provided start-up funds for new co-operative ventures. New co-operative companies started up in the following years, including Fagor Electrónica, Fagor Ederlan and Danobat.

It has also extended by inviting other co-operatives to join the group and offering rescue for some failed companies on condition of co-operativization.

The group companies give preference to fellow co-operatives. Co-operative workers manage their finances through Caja Laboral, hold health insurances and pension funds at Lagun Aro and have discounts at Eroski markets and on Fagor appliances. Eroski stores are furnished by co-operative trucks. Members may have studied at a group ikastola (college) and extended studies at the Mondragoón University while having a labor stage at a co-operative. The reference research centre is Ikerlan, which is focused on applied research since 1974.

more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation


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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:45 PM
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1. K&R, great story thank you for posting it. n/t
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:52 PM
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4. Were you previously aware of this?
It was news to me, and sounds really hopeful.

Hurrah for Mondragon!
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:05 PM
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30. No, but it is good to read stories showing that people can win.
At least in some nations.
:hug:

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:16 PM
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45. Good, so it wasn't just me, then. I hate feeling like I'm waaay behind the 8 ball!
Now I find out this has been going on for so long.... why haven't we taken their cue?!
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:55 PM
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54. I've known about the Mondragon Cooperatives for a long time.
There are other worker-owned and -operated companies around the world; most notable are the ones in Argentina that were legally taken over by their workers after the country's last financial meltdown.

There's a terrific documentary exploring the Argentine coops, The Take, made by Avi Lewis and Naomi Klein; here's a link to Roger Ebert's review:

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050217/REVIEWS/50204002/1023
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:26 PM
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113. Thanks for the heads up about the film....noted!
:thumbsup:
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:51 PM
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104. Agreed
Thank You Very Much for posting this....

Bookmarking this one!!!!:toast:
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:48 PM
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2. SOCIALIST!
can't you just hear the Teabaggers now? :rofl:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:53 PM
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6. Actually, that is what I was getting at. Many of the "teabaggers" are very angry at the same
things. If the labels are taken away, we DO have common ground, if we are willing to listen, and to understand their REAL anger.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:17 PM
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16. The problem is they've been totally polluted by propaganda and decades of Cold War paranoia
I don't really know how to approach such deep-seated and entrenched mental programming that quite a few of these people have.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:24 PM
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19. We have to begin by realizing that some CAN'T be reached.
That is reality.

However, we have been too ready to dismmiss them all, and that is to our own detriment. Yes, they vote often against their own best interest, but many are trainable.

For instance, in the laundromat last week, I got into a conversaion with a 50-ish man who is VERY angry. He was blaming his troubles on being white, male and 50. When I pointed out to him that black, young females are experiencing the same things, he calmed down and began listeing. He then AGREED that the problem is the GREED of the corporations and their rich CEOs and their stockholders, who do NO work.

I could see some lightbulbs going off.

We really can reach some of these folks, if we stop categorizing them all and dismissing them.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:53 AM
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64. Try talking about this very issue. I've found a lot of agreement with cons
about this very thing!
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:30 PM
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114. Good for you! That is how we truly create "CHANGE".
:yourock:
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Xicano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:55 AM
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65. Introduce them to LSD.
I am just saying.. :)
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:07 AM
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66. Well, some of the same things.
A good many of them are racists and homophobes too.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:25 PM
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112. I guess you won't be happy until I agree with all the negatives you want to put out.
Did you read my post where I already stated that we have to begin with the reality that many cannot be reached?

Look, do you WANT to follow Martin Luther King's example of working to tranform people, and thus our society, or are you only happy with judging others?
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:00 PM
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106. You are absolutely correct in your conclusion
that we probably agree with the teabaggers on many things and there is a high level of anger about many of them..

I attended a Union contract meeting probably 10 or so years ago and while not surprised (as it had been getting worse and worse each 3 year contract) was observing the level of anger by the various members of the rank & file who got up to speak. I mentioned this later to a member of management as we discussed the contract in very broad terms (as he was heavily restricted from really saying anything on the particulars, by all the rules of contract talks) and he was amazed that there would be many folks upset about anything (oh, certainly a few here and there, but not the high level I described).
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:32 PM
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115. Thank you for discussing it! If we can learn to listen, and to actually talk WITH others about the
issues, I believe we really can do a lot to turn things around before Nov '10.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 03:47 AM
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121. I am not as optimistic about a turnaround by Nov '10, yet
a journey of 1000 miles begins with........

Again, Thanks for posting!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:52 PM
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40. No, they are TROTSKYITES!
Who own printing companies.

Or something.
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:07 AM
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83. Actually they're Distributists
But so few people know what Distributism is that saying so would just baffle the Teabaggers.
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:49 PM
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3. We need to have new ways in place before the angry mobs start
tearing down the gated walls. It is past time for us to learn to co-operate and share.

This is really cool. Thanks for posting bobbolink.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:59 PM
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103. Yep. Who do ya suppose the "anti-terror" legislation is actually geared for?
Exactly. Every govt's primary enemy is its own populace.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:34 PM
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116. THANK you! We have a year now to reach some of these angry people in a way
that would create true CHANGE.

Are we up for it?

Or is it more satisfying to smugly judge them?

It really is up to us, if we want peace.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:52 PM
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5. There are more and more of these coops rising
and it may very well be the future model of commercial enterprise, or they will find a way to shut them down.

As to anger, yes it will blow... I just don't know when.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:04 PM
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8. Can you speak about any coops you have heard about?
I agree... this may be the future model.

If we are to find JUSTICE.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:12 PM
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12. Moore spoke of the bakery in Capitalism
Today I got a new baking dish done by a coop of three people.

And most of the vegies at the market came from coops. There were two farms, but most of the stalls were run by co'ops.



I was actually pleased to see that.

Oh the bakery is Alvarado Street Bakery. Can by found at Henrys and it is exceptional bread. (HCFS free too)
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:18 PM
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18. Thanks... haven't seen the movie.
Wouldn't it be great if those coops you mention could "coop" with each other, and so become more powerful, as Mondragon did!

Hurrah for the People's Anger! That's why I'm not busy trashing the teabaggers.. this is exactly what so many of them are angry about, and it's up to us to help them direct it to the right target!

IF, and this is a big IF... we can overcome our Rugged Individualism long enough.....
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:29 PM
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22. Yeah it would be good
that is what we will need if we are to get out of this hole.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:09 PM
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32. I'm so pissed at having to be back here in red state hell...
the closest theater showing his film is almost 80 miles away!

I understand there are vast areas of the nation where it is not available at all.


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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:11 PM
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34. YUp. I wanted to go Opening Day, to boost the ticket sales, but said tickets were $12!
Better to save for the dvd!

THEN, it can be shared with others.

Seriously, I think this dvd is one that will also be enjoyed and understood by some of the "teabaggers".

They are PISSED.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:30 PM
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38. Maybe he will take a cue from Bill Maher and just release it on the web
after the theater run ends.


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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:25 PM
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49. If I remember correctly, he did that with others of his movies.
I'm thinking Fahrenheit, but maybe also SICKO?

Unfortunately, I'm not able to download them... :(
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:13 PM
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36. trust me I realize that
the only reason we got it in this city, I suspect is... we have gone from crimson red to purple over the last few decades

When I got here it was red... crimson red.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:27 AM
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68. I feel for ya!
Here in Tex-Ass I had to drive 150 frickin miles to Houston to see it!!!
Also caught the new Lewis Black movie while I was there - Stark Raving Black.

What I don't do to get cultured here in Jeebusland.......

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:12 AM
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73. OK, you win.
Arizona may suck hard but it's still better than Texas.

With sympathy,
Greyhound


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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 07:32 AM
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80. It was out
in the theater near me for maybe 3 weeks max. The first week it had numerous showings, but by the second and third weeks they only had showings in the evenings and late night. I was ticked that I was not able to see it when it was near me, but will definitely get it on PPV and DVD.
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:58 PM
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56. I forgot about the bakery in "Capitalism: A Love Story"
Another excellent example. :)
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:46 PM
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25. There is a Food Giant outlet where I live that is "employee-owned"
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 08:51 PM by Selatius
It's not a bona fide labor co-op per se. It's a corporation that has an employee stock-ownership program or ESOP. Typically, most corporations with ESOPs are only partially owned by the workers, but Food Giant happens to be one where the workers own the entire company. The workers elect members to the board of directors.

An ESOP refers to a specific type of plan set up under US law where the company sets up a sort of employee benefit trust. Workers then make tax deductible contributions to this trust, and the trust goes and uses the contributions to buy shares of the company from shareholders who want to sell to the trust. Normally, all full-time workers who have worked at the company more than a year are allowed to participate in this trust. Eventually, this trust will own the entire company if it is allowed to continue this activity.

In a labor co-op, each person who buys in gets one share and vote per person, but an ESOP basically means the workers have to agree as a bloc to cast a single vote. So, in a labor co-op it is like people are free to take whichever road they want to arrive at a destination, but with an ESOP, it's like everybody has to agree to take a particular path in order to move forward, sort of like everybody sitting on a single bus.

So...yeah. Food Giant...not a co-op in the traditional definition but closely related. It is fairly large, though. Food Giant has stores throughout the Southeast, and it started as a store in Missouri back in 1917. It operates about a hundred stores.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:54 PM
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26. Thanks for that info, and explaining the difference. Kinda like the difference between
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 08:59 PM by bobbolink
single payer and "public option". ^_^ (as in, close, but no cigar...)

Although, it sounds like it would definitely be better working conditions than what we have now with the corporations.

Unfortunately, people in this culture have such a hard time coming together on anything, that I question whether they would put in the necessary effort to make this workable.

It is interesting... before hearing about Mondragon, I had been thinking about when I was living in the Berkeley area during the Vietnam era. There was The Coop, and it was a grocery. We really liked it, but it is no more, and I don't know anything about the structure of it.

edited to say: I found this at Wikipedia... doesn't really say much about the structure:

Consumers' Cooperative of Berkeley (CCB, also known as Berkeley Co-op) was a consumers' cooperative which operated from 1939 to 1988<1>, when it collapsed due to internal governance issues and bankruptcy. During its height, it was the largest cooperative of its kind in North America, with over 100,000 members, and its collapse has provoked intellectual discussion over how food cooperatives should be operated<2>.

What I remember about it, because I was a young mother at the time, is that it had a free child-care area, where you could sign in your child, and leave him/her while you shopped. That was GREAT, and my son loved it when I said we were going shopping--it meant he could go play with other kids!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:54 PM
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7. Super OP
Thanks
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:08 PM
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9. This is great! Hopeful.
Very interesting! Thanks for the post. Rec'd.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:11 PM
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11. Education is hopeful!
"Education has always been key to MCC and its development, hence the conversion of the old school into the University of Mondragón in the 1990s, a private university to promote further development. Some 4,000 students attend the university campuses in Oñati , Eskoriatza and Mondragón.

MCC now constitutes over 150 companies, with important manufacturing and engineering interests, as well as retail, financial and educational arms. Its supermarket arm, Eroski, is the largest Spanish-owned retail food chain and the third largest retail group in Spain."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:09 PM
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10. Yes, I have long thought that co-ops are the way to a humane future.
There used to be lots of them in parts of the US settled by Scandinavians, especially finns.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:13 PM
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13. I wouldn't be surprised by the Finns at all!
They strike me as very rational people.

What happened,..... why did there *used* to be those cooops?

Can you speak more to this? Are there lessons to be learned to make them more successful for the long haul?
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:10 PM
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97. It was the Finns that told me about Dr. Schusslers Twelve Tissue Remedies (cell salts)
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:34 PM
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23. We still have lots of co-ops here in the Upper Midwest.
One of the gas stations in my rural hometown is a co-op, for example.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:39 PM
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24. That is great to know. Do you know.. how many people are involved?
How long has it being in existence?

Why has it been successful?

Do you know if any of those coops are "coop-ing" with other coops, as it sounds like Mondragon is a big series of different coops?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:57 PM
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28. It's been in existance as far back as I can remeber. (early 90s)
It's successful, I think, because they do a lot of repair work for local farmers.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:10 PM
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98. I didn't mean to suggest that the co-op movement is dead by any means.
We buy our heating fuel from a co-op, there are many co-op gas stations in the area, we get our electricity from a rural electric co-op, and I have most of our money in two credit unions. However, I don't think the co-op movement is as vital or responsive to the membership as it once was. That, BTW, is likely to be mostly the fault of the membership. Most of these co-ops started from an agricultural base, and most of their customers today aren't farmers, and that makes a big difference in attitudes.

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:26 PM
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37. Wisconsin and Minnesota ceratinly have a fine tradition of
Having farmer's co ops, so the big banks do not get to fleece each farmer individually for the cost of equipment. Instead, if farmers vary their crops so that each farm doesn't need the equipment at the exact same day of the month, then they can share some of the larger and pricier pieces of equipment.

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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:32 AM
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62. You can add Kansas as yet another state with a fine tradition of co ops.
Co-op elevators always fill up first during each harvest because the farmers in my extended family, and all the other small farmers, hate both ADM and Cargill.

Thinking outside of the box of M$M propaganda, I personally know of Democratic "tea baggers."
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emmadoggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:02 PM
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108. DH & I used to live in a small, MN town - pop. 1200.
The local telephone cooperative was very well run. At the time we were living there, they were very competitive with the big phone companies as far as prices and calling plans. They also began offering DSL service well before many other small towns in the area. Patrons could look forward to annual dividend checks from the coop. Shortly after DH and I moved (figures!), the telephone cooperative put a great big addition onto their building which now houses a new public library (replacing the VERY small and little-used one), a fitness center, and a community center. A few years after that, they also refurbished the old building that years ago had been a small movie theatre. The town now has a NEW movie theatre. The telephone coop there has done wonderful things for the community.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:13 PM
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14. Great op!
1 worker 1 vote, man I love that idea. One thing I now agree with the teabaggers on, after watching Obumble give trillions to the rich and ignore the working class and poor, is that the govt is totally useless and totally corrupt. If we could build bridges between working class/poor conservatives and progressives, I'm sure we would find plenty of common ground and maybe both sides could finally realize its a class war and not about gays gods or guns. We are losing the class war and our "hero" has just turned into a super-villain with his plans for NAFTA2 for the pacific rim.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7015666

We are going to have to be our own heroes and stop believing in our broken system. They say charity begins at home. So does independence and dignity. The signs are all around us. My county's farmers got so mad at being robbed every year at harvest time by the commodities crooks that they started dealing directly with the people in our little town. We get our food fresher and cheaper, and those struggling farmers get to tell big agro and the commodities markets to shove it.

I wish I could rec this 100 times.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:38 PM
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50. I think our future now depends on building those bridges.
Obviously, it feels momentarily good to deride those on "the other side", but that doesn't really serve us well.

There are areas of commonality, and the PTB have done a fine job of using them to keep us at each other's throats. We damned well better find a way to bridge those areas, or we will all lose, and lose big! I appreciate hearing that you see this, too.

Those farmers you mention probably had differing ideas and religions, but they found an effective way of living together.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:15 PM
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15. K&R nt
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:17 PM
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17. ...been advocating co-ops
as long as I can remember... I work for an employee owned research company in the U.S., I sent milk to a co-operative creamery when I was farming, I belong to small food co-ops, etc.

I am most anxious for all workers to work together to put an end to corporate exploitation

We most definitely need a new business model,thanks for posting this.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:26 PM
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20. YAY CO-OPS! Mondragon is a brilliant example of how a co-op-based economy can work.
I first heard of it because it was mentioned in a sci-fi book, Red Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson, and it caught my interest.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:27 PM
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21. K&R
with enthusiasm!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:56 PM
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27.  toward a more sustanable and healthy world,
the models are there, and some really good ones.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:01 PM
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29. They are even involved with education... have established a university.
I find this really exciting!

Thanks for your rec! :yourock:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:44 PM
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51. Kick
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:00 PM
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52. Thanks!
Check back if you can.... I must leave now, and leave this kickless.

:hi:
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:16 AM
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67. I'll give it a kick, bobbolink
I can't wait to order the books & read more about the whole process. This is a key to a bloodless transition, methinks.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:06 PM
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31. k & r n/t
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:12 PM
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35. Thanks for the K&R, Bot!
:hi:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:50 PM
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39. Excellent article. K&R.
Obviously, if it ended up working here in the US, it would be declared illegal or unconstitutional or someone would sue for breach of fiduciary duty, since the CEO wouldn't make obscene amounts of money. :sarcasm:
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:53 PM
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41. Oh, that's shooting too low.... it would be ....... TERRA!
Its really sad that we have become this cynical....

I had those thoughts, too, but I found the information exciting, and I wanted to hold on to some REAL HOPE for a few minutes.

sigh.....

:hi:
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 09:59 PM
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42. Just being my usual negative self, lol.
:hi:
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:05 PM
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43. Jerry Brown was talking up the Mondragon movement...
...during his 1992 presidential campaign. I suspect he ran across them when he was in the Jesuit seminary -- I heard about Father Arizmendiarrieta in religion class with the Jesuits in the mid-70's, when we were reading Michael Harrington's The Other America.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:08 PM
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44. more on Father A....and thanks for this!
Father José María Arizmendiarrieta Madariaga (22 April 1915 – 29 November 1976) was a Catholic priest and founder of the Mondragón cooperative movement in the Basque Country.

Arizmendiarrieta, whose name is often shortened to Arizmendi, was born in Barinaga, Markina, Biscay, the eldest son of a family of modest means. At the age of twelve, he entered a theological preparatory school. When the Spanish Civil War began, he supported the Republican cause against Francisco Franco like many Basques; other Basques (tradicionalistas) fought against the Republican Government. He had lost an eye in a childhood accident so could not be a soldier. Instead he was a journalist for Basque language newspapers. His actions caused him to be arrested after the war and he was sentenced to death for his activities; legend has it that he escaped the firing squad only through an administrative oversight. Released, he returned to his studies in Vitoria and went on to take holy orders.

Arizmendi wanted to continue his studies in Belgium but was assigned to a parish 30 miles from his own home town. He arrived in Arrasate (in Spanish, Mondragón) in February 1941, as a 26-year-old newly-ordained priest to be assistant curate, to find a town still suffering from the aftermath of the Civil War and severe unemployment. The local priest had been shot by Franco's forces.

Arizmendi did not impress his new flock. Their one-eyed priest read badly; one parishioner described him thus: "He spoke in a monotone with intricate and repetitive phraseology difficult to understand. He hardly ever with grace." They initially asked the Bishop to replace him. Nevertheless, he was determined to find a way to assist his congregation and realised that economic development - jobs - was the key to solutions to the town's other problems. Co-operatives appeared the best way to achieve this. Co-operatives, both consumer and worker, and self-help organisations had a long tradition in the Basque Country but had died away after the War.

"Those who opt to make history and change the course of events themselves have the advantage over those who decide to wait passively for the results of the change," Arizmendi once said.

In 1943, Arizmendi set up a Polytechnic School, now the Mondragón University, a democratically-administered educational centre open to all young people in the region. He set up the school, which quickly expanded, with money from local people collected on street corners. He taught many students himself. The school played a key role in the emergence and development of the co-operative movement, educating and empowering the townsfolk. In the 1950s, Arizmendi and a few graduates of the school set up the first co-operative enterprise Ulgor, which soon expanded and diversified, in time becoming Fagor and the Mondragón Cooperative Corporation (MCC). They then set up the Caja Laboral Popular ("People's Worker Savings Bank"), a credit union that both allowed the co-operative members access to financial services and also provided start-up funds for new co-operative ventures.

The MCC is now Spain's seventh largest corporation. Arizmendi, who died in 1976 in Arrasate, is revered in his adopted town and around the world by co-operative activists for seeing that co-ops can be effective businesses and transform local communities.

"To build cooperativism is not to do the opposite of capitalism", Arizmendi wrote, "as if this system did not have any useful features... Cooperativism must surpass it, and for this purpose must assimilate its methods and dynamism."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Arizmendiarrieta
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:17 PM
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46. Brilliant! We need to learn more about this & spread the word!
I love it! It's the answer to moving away from corporatism. This can be the beginning of the non-violent revolution we have known we needed!



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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:23 PM
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48. I agree completely. How to get started?
It's one thing to discuss this, but we really need to figure out the beginning steps.

I really like your enthusiam! We are so short on that, and on taking action..... it's time to begin!

:yourock:
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:14 AM
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58. It's certainly a preferable alternative to our current cutthroat capitalism.
David Schweickart, a mathematician and philosopher at Loyola University in Chicago, has devised a basic framework for an economy of such worker-operated firms which has the following features:

* Workplace self-management, including election of managers
* Democratic management of capital investment by a form of public banking
* A (mostly) free market for goods, raw materials, instruments of production, etc.
* Socialist protectionism to enforce trade equality between nations
* Government as an employer of last resort

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Schweickart

This link has a plethora of ideas, including classic cooperatives, inclusive democracy, Social Credit, and Basic Income Guarantee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_democracy

And of course, there's lots more elsewhere on the Internets. :)
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:51 AM
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60. That's a great place to start. Let's go to Chicago & talk to him. We need an appointment.
I've got a nephew there to stay with. I'm totally pumped about this.
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StarfarerBill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:28 PM
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110. Prof. Schweickart's Loyola homepage hasn't been updated in over three years...
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 10:35 PM by StarfarerBill
...but it does have some address and e-mail info that may still be good:

http://orion.it.luc.edu/~dschwei/

And here's the Solidarity Economy page, which has his and many other coop supporters' articles and is being updated again after a long hiatus:

http://www.solidarityeconomy.net/
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:41 PM
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117. Did you see post #61?
Looks like some great starting places!
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:18 PM
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47. Great post.... the anger hasn't even started yet...it will be ugly.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:02 PM
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53. K n R.
:toast:
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:56 PM
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55. K&R! n/t
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:31 AM
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59. Very cool thanks for posting!
This will be great to bring up to all those corporate cronies who actually believe that they owe their jobs to rich people... those idiots who think that supply creates demand.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:17 AM
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61. Arizmendi Bakeries... I know there's one in San Francisco, and another in Emeryville (East Bay)...
They're based on the "Arizmendi" coop model, and they are very high quality, make EXCELLENT bread, cheese biscuits, pizza, etc. ... the "employees" are all engaged...

It's already begun, and it seems to work wonderfully. It's already on the move, and I'm sure there are many who have managerial skills, but would rather not metaphorically slit employee throats in order to get the numbers to board members' satisfaction... who could find a place in these sorts of operations and still have a soul to take home with them at night. And employees who aren't being turned into wage slaves/ human resource widgets are much more productive and innovative.

It could be the wave of the future... if the capital can be pooled to expand these models to other sectors of the economy... and if some means of keeping the potential competitor corporations from employing some sort of leveraged buyout/ government regulation to appropriate/ smother them before they can catch on and spread... can be prevented.

Yaay genuine communism.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:50 AM
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70. Yes, I shop at Rainbow Grocery in SF, it's a coop and has great food, house stuff and service.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:52 AM
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63. Interesting conversation with conservative fundie at work about this
She doesn't know much about politics, but knows she "hates Obama because he has deceived us with his birth certificate". Whatever. I started to argue with her and then realized there was no point. She mentioned how much she despises Big Pharma. I changed the subject to "corporations run the country and any notion we have of a true democracy is pretty weak" and she was all ears. I mentioned that I didn't think it really mattered that much who controlled the government right now (Dems or Repukes) since most of them are "in bed" with the corporations for donations to their campaigns that are outrageously expensive for the amount of money they earn. Suddenly, she realized I was NOT the enemy. I explained that if Big Pharma can do this, look at Goldman Sachs in the financial sector, insurance companies in stopping our patients from getting the care we both know they need and deserve (we are both nurses), and so on and so forth.

Another two very conservative friends on FB have both really gone to the mat arguing with me about this that and the other thing, yet when I mention that public financing of campaigns would level the playing field so that real candidates would have a chance to win and then would have to listen to us...they BOTH agreed that was the best way to get money out of politics.

There is lots of common ground with these folks and once we realize that, we are much stronger to fight a major source of decline in our civilization and our freedoms.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:44 PM
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118. You have found the opening we should ALL be pursuing!
Great work!

You are following in the path of Dr. King by listening to people who are angry, and giving them new information that makes sense.

I'm convinced this is the ONLY way we can reclaim this country!

Thanks for your efforts!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:32 AM
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69. Mondragon!!!...GREAT POST. thanks..
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:53 AM
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71. K&R
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:01 AM
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72. Mondragon - kinda nice to know they are still in business
although when I studied them in graduate school twenty years ago I wondered if having to buy equity in the firm was not a bit of a burden. Also I thought it sucked that the section I read about them was written from a completely capitalist perspective.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:51 PM
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111. So, you knew about this before..... news to me.
Of course it would be from a capitalistic perspective. Must have been scathing. :)
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:56 AM
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74. Enthusiastic K&R
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:56 AM
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75. kick
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 05:03 AM
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76. K & R
Thanks for posting this, bobbolink.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 05:33 AM
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77. Excellent! Thank You So Much!
I'm glad to have source material for this exciting idea. It is the wave of the future, when all the Too Big to Fails have finally died.
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 06:10 AM
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78. K&R!!!
The people can prevail!!! good stuff, thanks!!
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 07:09 AM
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79. Great post bobbolink. K&R
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 07:34 AM
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81. K&R
Thank you for sharing this. It's an awesome option that I hope more people get to hear and learn about in the near future.
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Turborama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 07:58 AM
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82. K&R Did you see this feature about Pittsboro on Democracy Now?


We take a look at how one North Carolina town is trying to become more self-sufficient by moving toward being able to feed, fuel and finance itself. The town of Pittsboro houses the nations largest biodiesel cooperative, a food co-op, a farmers market and, most recently, its own currency, the Pittsboro Plenty. Pittsboro is one of a number of communities across the country printing their own money in an attempt to support local business.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phHSTzlxpKM

Transcript: http://i1.democracynow.org/2009/4/9/north_carolina_town_prints_own_currency
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:48 AM
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84. W.L. Gore (Goretex) is another corporation with an interesting hierarchy
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 08:51 AM by lostnfound
There was an article in Financial Times a year or two ago about the new president who was elected by the workers, and about the culture of the company.

It's privately held, so I'm not sure where the capital is or where profits go, but the company structure with a max 250 employees per manufacturing plant would do wonders, as would the bottom-up management approach.

A job that lets you pick your own boss
W. L. Gore & Associates, the $2.3 billion maker of Gore-Tex fabric and Glide dental floss, has a very unique -- and successful -- management style.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._L._Gore_and_Associates
from Wikipedia: Gore Culture
..

Bill Gore first presented the concept of a “lattice” organization to Gore associates in 1967. He later refined his ideas and presented what he termed “culture principles” in a paper entitled “The Lattice Organization – A Philosophy of Enterprise.” It was distributed to Gore associates in 1976.<13>

Unlike the traditional management structure that Bill Gore had experienced at DuPont, he proposed a flat, lattice-like organizational structure where everyone shares the same title of “associate.” There are neither chains of command nor predetermined channels of communication. Leaders replace the idea of “bosses.” Associates choose to follow leaders rather than have bosses assigned to them. Associate contribution reviews are based on a peer-level rating system.

Bill Gore articulated four culture principles that he called freedom, fairness, commitment and waterline:
*Associates have the freedom to encourage, help, and allow other associates to grow in knowledge, skill, and scope of responsibility
*Associates should demonstrate fairness to each other and everyone with whom they come in contact
*Associates are provided the ability to make one's own commitments and are expected to keep them
*A waterline situation involves consultation with other associates before undertaking actions that could impact the reputation or profitability of the company and otherwise “sink the ship.”

In the lattice organization, associates are encouraged to communicate directly with each other and are accountable to fellow members of their teams. Hands-on product innovation and prototyping are encouraged. Teams typically organize around opportunities, new product concepts, or businesses. As teams evolve, leaders frequently emerge as they gain followership. This unusual organizational structure and culture has been shown to be a significant contributor to associate satisfaction and retention.<14>

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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:00 AM
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85. k&r n/t
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:14 AM
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86. While this is very good for the workers,

it doesn't get them out of the woods. They still must function in a capitalist economy and are prey to it's vagaries. If the overall market tanks and demand dries up, there's only so much make-work to be done, if you're gonna operate in a capitalist world you're gonna have to lay people off.

I think this applies to the 'macro' too, socialism can only thrive in the absence of capitalism...
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Kermitt Gribble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:14 AM
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87. Great post, bobbolink!!
You're exactly right that both sides need to work together to end the corporate corruption. The PTB have divided us with wedge issues - so much so, that we have all lost sight of the common ground we share as US citizens. It has allowed them to take over our govt. We will never agree with conservatives on key issues, but, on this mother-of-all-issues, we have a lot of agreement with them. We need to unite and take our govt back.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 09:37 AM
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88. I always add 'stockholders' to ceo's when I'm angry about the arrogance of the
Edited on Mon Nov-16-09 09:39 AM by peacetalksforall
corporations to take us to the cleaners, to use that expression which is a pretty good one. I feel that we place so much emphasis on the rotten policies of some ceo's. But, the ceo's say they are driven to profits for their stockholders. Nice pickle.

So what is the difference between a stockholder of a predatory corporation and a co-op member?

Short term gain as opposed to long term?

Those who brag about the superiority of America can't brag anymore - when they do they do it in an historical sense - hard work of immigrants is what they mean. But it was the hard work of immigrants and slaves - work on the land taken from the natives by the immigrants. Slaves didn't immigrate - they were stolen. Natives didn't immigrate - they were pushed over.

Some Americans have always liked the melting pot label we gave ourselves.

A melting pot approach just doesn't have to apply to heritage.

A co-operative approach can be reached by all for all without any debate about the concept and reality of capitalism which is not working out so well for many people of all heritages and incomes.

The ceo's and stockholders won't be happy? They may even try to kill the effort or sabotage it - look at unions - a cooperation of employees to try to get fairness. Attempted decimation by corporate ceo's - and stockholders.

Is there anyway to convert stockholders? The ceo's can't mangle the people without the stockholders? (Or do they foresee this and that is the reason for stealing the money now?)

Stockholders have a lot of say.

Co-ops have a lot of say.

This country needs a new future. Only a few are happy to be serfs.
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:59 AM
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93. We should never let that out of our sights

CEOs are just employees, for whatever ridiculous money they make it is the stock holders who get the bear's share of the boodle, it is they who are the primary thieves in the racket of capitalism.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:48 PM
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119. What's the difference? It's quite clear.... the stockholder of corporations collects a check
while sitting by the pool under a palm tree, sipping a Mai Tai.

The stockhholder of a coop actually, -- gasp-- WORKS.

What a concept.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:03 AM
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89. Good morning. n/t
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:43 AM
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90. K&R
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:51 AM
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91. K&R! //nt
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:58 AM
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92. k and r
I've long seen this model as one that merges with human needs. Thank you for this information. I will spread the word.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:41 AM
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94. Communism!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:30 PM
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95. K&R
excellent piece, it shows what can be accomplished when we listen to people.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:46 PM
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96. This needs to be pushed as responsible, green business
It's the way to get out from under the yoke of corporate hegemony. Thanks for posting...very much thanks. :)
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 01:49 PM
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99. Thank you! K&R
I didn't know about this story. Very interesting.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:00 PM
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100. finally! nt
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:05 PM
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101. I hope this becomes the model of the future - humane coops instead of greedy corporations
this is the first i've heard of this new paradigm for corporate organization and I sure hope it goes viral! It could become a gradual grass roots evolution to a more humane and just economy. Pass it on...
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:50 PM
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120. The only hope we have is that WE MAKE it the model of the future!
If we wait for it to happen, the chances are it won't.

The future is in OUR hands.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:55 PM
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102. Fascinating
thank you for posting this.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 03:59 PM
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105. Very interesting....

they pride themselves on having no linkage to the State or Public Administration, so there would be no basis for claiming that this group has some sort of Socialist (or, God forbid, fascist) agenda:

http://www.mondragon-corporation.com/ENG/Frequently-asked-questions/Corporation.aspx

Our co-operative system has never, either at the moment of its foundation or during its subsequent evolution, been linked to the State or to any type of Public Administration. Our co-operatives were set up and have grown thanks to the efforts of groups of independent people committed to creating companies with a co-operative working philosophy, ensuring the participation of members in the capital and management of the organisations and guaranteeing an approach based on solidarity.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 04:24 PM
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107. Sounds like a sustainable system. . .n/t
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:02 PM
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109. Too late to rec, but here's another perspective. I was hired at a building co-op in '83.
There were seven worker-owners. Within a year there were twelve of us. We were a varied group of skilled workers (architects and journeyman carpenters) and moderately-skilled carpenters and helpers, all hard working, conscientious types. There were five women and seven men. We were a true democracy, meeting weekly and making all of the business decisions on a consensus basis. Our reputation for excellent workmanship and superior customer service kept us busy and expanding. Within five years there are twenty-two of us, including mostly skilled field crew members but also some laborers.

In '88, we still operate on the consensus basis and share in the profits equally, meaning that at year's end the total profits are divided by the total number of hours worked by all employees, then each employee gets paid that dollar amount of profit for the hours he/she worked during the year. We evaluate each other and assign wages based on job description, skill level, responsibility level, and how well fellow employees perceive you to be performing. So, the architect who might have been making an hourly wage of $20 makes the same profit -per-hour as the laborer who makes $6.50--all wages being based on on prevailing wages in the area. We all get vacation pay, holidays, and a tool "allowance", plus we are paid for our vehicle mileage. This is a pretty revolutionary concept for workers in the residential and commercial building business.

Our business was going well but as we grew we found that many of the worker-owners enjoyed the benefits but not the obligations of ownership. Our meetings, which were the core of our business decision-making apparatus grew contentious and consensus was harder and harder to reach. Many of the worker-owners did not care to learn about the actual functioning of a business because they just wanted to work forty hours as a carpenter or laborer, then go home. But they still wanted to get the same profit as the leaders who have learned about finance and the "brainwork" required to run a company. Some of the more skilled builders got additional training and took it upon themselves to become the license holders so we could meet the state's requirements. As more of the highly-motivated and knowledgeable worker-owners saw their roles as more critical to the success and survival of the group, they asked to be compensated more for their roles. Needless to say, those other worker-owners who were used to getting equal profits were not very eager to relinquish part of their earnings in order to keep the others happy. We began to lose our more skilled managers.

We continued with our experiment in corporate democracy (we had been incorporated almost since our inception as a business) hoping to find a way to keep our most experienced and motivated worker-owners from bolting. Our numbers dwindled to twelve in the early 90's as building fell off during the economic downturn. We survived and decided that we should try something a little different--instead of making every worker in the corporation a worker-owner, we decided to only offer the worker-owner status to workers who were willing to take on the "ownership" role as well as being good workers. This meant that we would have employees as well as worker-owners. That decision proved to be fine with most of the worker-owners and also with most of the workers who only wanted to be employees of a company that treated its employees well, paid well, and had excellent benefits. They didn't care about being "owners" so being workers was fine with them.

Still, the question of how much of the profit the key managers should get versus the share for workers who were not in responsible positions continued to arise. Another issue was capitalization. It takes a lot of money to keep a business afloat. We worker-owners capitalized our corporation by putting part of our profits back into the company. We all earned interest on our personal investment of capital for our company. Some of us have over $20,000 in capital invested, while others have only put in a few thousand since they are new to the company. Part of being an owner is being liable for the debts of the corporation. Many of our vendors who sell us everything from lumber to door knobs ask for what's called personal guarantees instead of just the corporation's assets as collateral. Some of us are willing to put our signatures on the line. Others are not.

Now we are in a real tight spot. To stay in business we must have worker-owners who are willing to put their personal assets on the line. Spouses must sign on. Here's where the going gets really rough. We have only about half of our worker-owners who have enough personal assets to qualify as personal backers. They do so in order for us to continue doing business. They are mostly the more-experienced and more highly-qualified manager/field types. Several decide to leave the company because they are unhappy that they are taking the major risk but not getting the major financial reward for their risk. We are now down to six worker-owners and six employees.

By '98 there are only four of the worker-owners remaining. Between the capital requirements and the risk of losing one's capital and personal property if anything were to happen to the company (think major recession like now), the worker-owned corporation has morphed into a closely-held corporation with twelve employees. Over the next eight years the company prospers but two more of the owners leave. The company that once was a worker-owned company of 22 persons is now two owners and twelve employees. The employees earn excellent benefits and are paid top wages for their skills. They also earn profit-sharing based on the fortunes of the company.

On a side note, many of the worker-owners who left the company over the years have become owners of building companies. Only one of them started a worker-owned business, and that business only had two worker-owners.

I have nothing but the highest respect for the folks at Mondragon and any other worker-owned companies that are able to survive and thrive despite the many challenges they face.

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 05:24 PM
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122. Thank you for sharing all of this! You have a fascinating story here... it sounds like its
deserving of a book!

It must have been painful and you deserve lots of acknowledgement for taking this on! :toast:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:30 PM
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123. Funny, bobbolink, I'd never thought of a book about the co-op aspect of those years, but I have
thought that some of the episodes in building would make great--and hilarious--reading.

I must say that the joy, excitement, and the fun far outweighed the pain. The people I worked with as co-owners and as clients were almost always a pretty cool story in themselves. Most of us were good people trying to make an honest living. We were proud of our work and always tried to give our clients the best possible job. Despite the squabbles and the changes we went through internally, we maintained and enhanced our reputation for doing excellent work with the utmost integrity. That was and still is very satisfying.

Thanks for the props! :toast:

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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-18-09 03:45 PM
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126. Would you be interested in writing a book? The more you talk about it, the more it sounds
like a book could not only tell a good, entertaining story, but help give others some good information, and maybe an inkling that they CAN do something different with their lives. It sounds like you can not only detail what doesn't work, or what the pitfalls can be, but also your good faith in others, and your open heart.

I just talked with a friend here who looked at this thread, and was taken by your post. She agrees that it would make a good book, and just asked... if we have looked to see if anybody has written a book about this. I think the timing is good..... there really is a lot of anger, and people aren't yet to the point of looking for real "change", but when presented with possibilities, it will open some minds.

It sounds like you could be the person to make this happen!

Best to you! :yourock:
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Luciferous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:33 PM
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124. Great article, thanks for sharing nt
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:15 PM
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125. .
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