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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:41 PM Original message |
Workers getting angrier at corporations.... some looking at a new direction--Mondragon Corp. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R, great story thank you for posting it. n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Were you previously aware of this? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
30. No, but it is good to read stories showing that people can win. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:16 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Good, so it wasn't just me, then. I hate feeling like I'm waaay behind the 8 ball! |
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StarfarerBill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #4 |
54. I've known about the Mondragon Cooperatives for a long time. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #54 |
113. Thanks for the heads up about the film....noted! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
104. Agreed |
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SoCalNative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. SOCIALIST! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Actually, that is what I was getting at. Many of the "teabaggers" are very angry at the same |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
16. The problem is they've been totally polluted by propaganda and decades of Cold War paranoia |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. We have to begin by realizing that some CAN'T be reached. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:53 AM Response to Reply #16 |
64. Try talking about this very issue. I've found a lot of agreement with cons |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
114. Good for you! That is how we truly create "CHANGE". |
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Xicano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #16 |
65. Introduce them to LSD. |
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JoeyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
66. Well, some of the same things. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:25 PM Response to Reply #66 |
112. I guess you won't be happy until I agree with all the negatives you want to put out. |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
106. You are absolutely correct in your conclusion |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:32 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. Thank you for discussing it! If we can learn to listen, and to actually talk WITH others about the |
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Sherman A1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 03:47 AM Response to Reply #115 |
121. I am not as optimistic about a turnaround by Nov '10, yet |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. No, they are TROTSKYITES! |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #40 |
83. Actually they're Distributists |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. We need to have new ways in place before the angry mobs start |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
103. Yep. Who do ya suppose the "anti-terror" legislation is actually geared for? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
116. THANK you! We have a year now to reach some of these angry people in a way |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. There are more and more of these coops rising |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Can you speak about any coops you have heard about? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Moore spoke of the bakery in Capitalism |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Thanks... haven't seen the movie. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Yeah it would be good |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
32. I'm so pissed at having to be back here in red state hell... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. YUp. I wanted to go Opening Day, to boost the ticket sales, but said tickets were $12! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Maybe he will take a cue from Bill Maher and just release it on the web |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
49. If I remember correctly, he did that with others of his movies. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. trust me I realize that |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
68. I feel for ya! |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:12 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. OK, you win. |
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NikolaC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:32 AM Response to Reply #32 |
80. It was out |
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StarfarerBill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. I forgot about the bakery in "Capitalism: A Love Story" |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. There is a Food Giant outlet where I live that is "employee-owned" |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Thanks for that info, and explaining the difference. Kinda like the difference between |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
7. Super OP |
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lildreamer316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
9. This is great! Hopeful. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Education is hopeful! |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
10. Yes, I have long thought that co-ops are the way to a humane future. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I wouldn't be surprised by the Finns at all! |
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earcandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
97. It was the Finns that told me about Dr. Schusslers Twelve Tissue Remedies (cell salts) |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. We still have lots of co-ops here in the Upper Midwest. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. That is great to know. Do you know.. how many people are involved? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. It's been in existance as far back as I can remeber. (early 90s) |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
98. I didn't mean to suggest that the co-op movement is dead by any means. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
37. Wisconsin and Minnesota ceratinly have a fine tradition of |
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phasma ex machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
62. You can add Kansas as yet another state with a fine tradition of co ops. |
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emmadoggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
108. DH & I used to live in a small, MN town - pop. 1200. |
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Yuugal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
14. Great op! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. I think our future now depends on building those bridges. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R nt |
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handmade34 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
17. ...been advocating co-ops |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. YAY CO-OPS! Mondragon is a brilliant example of how a co-op-based economy can work. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
21. K&R |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
27. toward a more sustanable and healthy world, |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. They are even involved with education... have established a university. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
51. Kick |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Thanks! |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:16 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. I'll give it a kick, bobbolink |
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laughingliberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
31. k & r n/t |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Thanks for the K&R, Bot! |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
39. Excellent article. K&R. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Oh, that's shooting too low.... it would be ....... TERRA! |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 09:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Just being my usual negative self, lol. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
43. Jerry Brown was talking up the Mondragon movement... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. more on Father A....and thanks for this! |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Brilliant! We need to learn more about this & spread the word! |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I agree completely. How to get started? |
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StarfarerBill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #46 |
58. It's certainly a preferable alternative to our current cutthroat capitalism. |
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loudsue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. That's a great place to start. Let's go to Chicago & talk to him. We need an appointment. |
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StarfarerBill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
110. Prof. Schweickart's Loyola homepage hasn't been updated in over three years... |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
117. Did you see post #61? |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
47. Great post.... the anger hasn't even started yet...it will be ugly. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
53. K n R. |
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juno jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-15-09 11:56 PM Response to Original message |
55. K&R! n/t |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
59. Very cool thanks for posting! |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
61. Arizmendi Bakeries... I know there's one in San Francisco, and another in Emeryville (East Bay)... |
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diane in sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. Yes, I shop at Rainbow Grocery in SF, it's a coop and has great food, house stuff and service. |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:52 AM Response to Original message |
63. Interesting conversation with conservative fundie at work about this |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
118. You have found the opening we should ALL be pursuing! |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:32 AM Response to Original message |
69. Mondragon!!!...GREAT POST. thanks.. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:53 AM Response to Original message |
71. K&R |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
72. Mondragon - kinda nice to know they are still in business |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #72 |
111. So, you knew about this before..... news to me. |
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Mithreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:56 AM Response to Original message |
74. Enthusiastic K&R |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 04:56 AM Response to Original message |
75. kick |
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democrank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 05:03 AM Response to Original message |
76. K & R |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 05:33 AM Response to Original message |
77. Excellent! Thank You So Much! |
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maryf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
78. K&R!!! |
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Cyrano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:09 AM Response to Original message |
79. Great post bobbolink. K&R |
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NikolaC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
81. K&R |
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Turborama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 07:58 AM Response to Original message |
82. K&R Did you see this feature about Pittsboro on Democracy Now? |
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lostnfound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
84. W.L. Gore (Goretex) is another corporation with an interesting hierarchy |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
85. k&r n/t |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
86. While this is very good for the workers, |
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Kermitt Gribble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
87. Great post, bobbolink!! |
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peacetalksforall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
88. I always add 'stockholders' to ceo's when I'm angry about the arrogance of the |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #88 |
93. We should never let that out of our sights |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:48 PM Response to Reply #88 |
119. What's the difference? It's quite clear.... the stockholder of corporations collects a check |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
89. Good morning. n/t |
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pleah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
90. K&R |
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Overseas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
91. K&R! //nt |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
92. k and r |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
94. Communism! |
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dajoki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
95. K&R |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
96. This needs to be pushed as responsible, green business |
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Bryn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
99. Thank you! K&R |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
100. finally! nt |
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BREMPRO (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
101. I hope this becomes the model of the future - humane coops instead of greedy corporations |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #101 |
120. The only hope we have is that WE MAKE it the model of the future! |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
102. Fascinating |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
105. Very interesting.... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
107. Sounds like a sustainable system. . .n/t |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-16-09 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
109. Too late to rec, but here's another perspective. I was hired at a building co-op in '83. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #109 |
122. Thank you for sharing all of this! You have a fascinating story here... it sounds like its |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Funny, bobbolink, I'd never thought of a book about the co-op aspect of those years, but I have |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-18-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #123 |
126. Would you be interested in writing a book? The more you talk about it, the more it sounds |
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Luciferous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-17-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
124. Great article, thanks for sharing nt |
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