Separate the races in prisons

[francolettieri]

First of all, we need to stop locking up people for stupid reasons (non violent offenders) which would drastically lower the prison population. The paragraph below is intended for dealing with violent prisoners, the kind both liberals and conservatives agree should be locked up!!!!




Here in free society, we so a fairly good job of existing peacfully among different races, but prison is a far different savage and barbaric place where peace among different races is and always will me impossible. Instead of even attemping it, I say keep the races complety separated by a tall brick/razor wire walls. In my opinion doing so would help protect prisoners and more importantly...PRISON GUARDS!! I believe we should do everything in our power to keep prisoners and prison guards from being victimized and make the occupation of prison guard/security easier and less stressful. This would also be a big step to reduce the chances of incidents happening. I also believe sex offenders and Homosexual and /HIV/Hepatitis infected prisoners should be separated to stop the spread of disease and violence against them. Keeping all these demographics of prisoners separated might be complicated, but i believe its necessary. A lot of people think its good when prisoners get victimized. I disagreee for several reasons.

1. The prisoner might be innocent
2. The prisoner may eventually be released back into society the stress/trauma of being victimized could fuel a tremendous amount of anger that could be directed among innocent civilians after the prisoners release
3. Happier less stressed prisoners makes the Prison Guards job alot easier
4. Prisoners will eventually get what they desserve anyway!!!

I just think we need a who new generation of high tech, innovative prisons that need to be creativly managed to reduce the stress and trauma or both inmates and guards, by trying to eliminate as much violence as possible, make it diffictult or impossible to smuggle in drugs/communication devices and craft knvives/weapons.


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[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. WTF?

This should be interesting. :popcorn:

[Heidi]

2. Wait. Are you suggesting we need _more_ prisons?

How about if we insist that our courts stop sentencing so many non-violent offenders to prison? It'd cut down on prison violence if the violent offenders had fewer non-violent prisoners to victimize.

I just think we need a who new generation of high tech, innovative prisons...

[francolettieri]

7. I Totally agree

I totally agree with your post "How about if we insist that our courts stop sentencing so many non-violent offenders to prison? It'd cut down on prison violence if the violent offenders had fewer non-violent prisoners to victimize." "I just think we need a who new generation of high tech, innovative prisons..." for people who every agrees should be put away. There would be far less prisoners, but still enough to require serious reform for both prisoners and guards safety

[havocmom]

15. Since your profile lists you as being in Tucson, one needs to inquire:

Any personal interests in the move to private, for-profit prisons that is all the rage in Arizona just now? Advocating for prisoner release for non-violent offenders while advocating action which would require MORE prison space is mighty curious otherwise.

[itsrobert]

3. Maybe you should post this on a Prison Employees forum?

Not much interest here.

[Heidi]

4. Do we have an "I Support the Prison Industrial Complex" forum? (nt)

[rucky]

5. I think the root of the problem is the hate groups.

I say we focus on breaking them up, instead of magnifying the racial divions with physical divisions.

[liberalmuse]

6. Most people in prison...

shouldn't be there. IMO, only violent offenders should be kept apart from society, but not in cages like animals. I don't think even animals should be kept in cages. I hate prisons. Get rid of them. Race is not issue so much as the horrific conditions in prisons. In a barbaric environment, people tend to form tribes with other like people and then fight with the other 'tribes' for dominance of the scarcely available resources. The number of prisons in the US speaks volumes about our society's 'evolution'.

[TorchTheWitch]

13. Hell no

Plenty of non-violent offenses deserve prison time... theft, blackmail, fraud, extortion, embezzlement, etc., etc.

Prisons should not be so barbaric with horrible conditions and non-violent criminals should be kept seperate from violent ones, but the very idea that only violent crimes deserve prison sentences is absurd. It absolutely is the threat of being locked up in prison that keeps non-violent offenses FAR lower than they would be without them. A truly frightening amount of law abiding people would think nothing of stealing your car, robbing your house, embezzling from the companies they work at, etc. if they knew they wouldn't do any prison time if caught.

[Toasterlad]

14. So...You Want Free Range Prisons?

But then the prisoners muscles would get tough and stringy.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Practices such as the ones you promote

are currently causing huge problems in CA both inside their prison system and out. Current Vanguard reporter Laura Ling did a great series of reporting on that situation, should anyone care to learn actual realities.

[StarfarerBill]

9. How about instead separating the violent from the non-violent?

And yes, stop locking up non-violent people like yesterday.

[Louisiana1976]

10. +1

[izquierdista]

11. And what do we do

When the inmates in the ethnically cleansed prisons form up into yet again more gangs, say the 2nd floor east Spiders vs. the 2nd floor west Tarantulas?

What you haven't thought through here is that in any number larger than 3, humans can form up social groups, one pitted against the other. These groups will go to any length to enforce loyalty, demonize the other and claim exclusive rights to territory.

[Dogtown]

12. You're suggesting segregated prisons?

I don't think you'll get much support for that concept here, but I recall a website that I believe would *love* your suggestion...

[uppityperson]

16. What "races" are you talking about? Do you mean skin color, ancestry, crime?

Please clarify as you seem to be saying a whole bunch of stuff here.