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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:16 AM
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Should there EVER be a referendum process for the USA as a whole?
I understand "Tyranny of the Majority" and how quite often the Majority is proved wrong, but still..Sometimes there are issues of great importance that polling would indicate a large Majority favors but because of Corporate Interests and 527s and other ways to funnel money to politicians America loses out...I understand true Democracy is unconstitutional but sometimes I wonder if it is really the very best way...:shrug:
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:18 AM
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1. For roads and development only, NOT for people.
I think it's barbaric.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:19 AM
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2. Referenda have taken away civil rights from people in Maine and California
and imposed horrible anti-GLBT constitutional amendments in dozens of other states.

So, no.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:23 AM
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3. It raises the spectre of plebicite to me. So no. n/t
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:31 AM
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4. Yes, for constitutional amendments: say, 60% or two-thirds margin.
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 10:32 AM by Unvanguard
Makes more sense than the ratification by states process, with continues the ridiculous American tradition of biasing power toward people who happen to live in rural areas. And it strikes me as fundamentally in accordance with democratic principle that the people acting directly should have the final say about fundamental law. (To clarify, I would keep the requirement that amendment proposals require two-thirds majorities in the House and the Senate).

Probably not anything else, though. Policymaking requires technical considerations, values balancing, and coalition-building that large-scale referenda tend not to handle pretty well; most people don't have the time or the interest to consider a particular question in all its details. Democracy, at least beyond the highly decentralized level, works best with heuristics: you vote for representatives who broadly share your views (or who are closest to broadly sharing your views among the viable options), and they work out the details, while always subject to electoral accountability from the public.

California is a good example of how the initiative process can become disastrous.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:33 AM
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5. No
The only "direct" democracy provided for in the Constitution is for the passage of Constitutional amendments.

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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:08 PM
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6. With corporate media's ability to influence great numbers of people
in an alarmingly short time.. I would say a big "no" on this.
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