Could Khalid Sheikh Mohammed get to walk away a free man?

[Botany]

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed might get to walk because bush and company tortured him
and a judge might have to cut him loose because that was violation of the law.

The level of screw ups before, during, and after 9/11 by that unelected administration is breath
taking.

"He kept us safe." :grr:




Bush getting the CIA memo that said, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

[napi21]

1. NO! The feds have a lot of charges against him, and if he

should manage to walk from this one, he would simply be re-arrested on another charge.

Just checked. Look at this.

So far this year over 116 US banks across the country have failed and the FDIC has placed them into recievership (closed them down). At the start of the year the FDIC reported that nationally there were over 300 troubled banks. Now, the latest update places the number of banks that don't pass the grade is 416 (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aSdMMGzkt1do). However, not all states are created equal when it comes to banking problems. Three states, Illinois, California and Georgia, represent over 45% of all bank failures in the US so far this year.

http://www.hubdub.com/m58250/What_US_state_will_have_the_most_bank_failures_in_November_2009

[Botany]

2. But his lawyer can bring up the torture and make his prosecution very .....

..... nasty. The judge might not allow any of his confessions to be used in court.

[napi21]

4. We've been told that the Feds have ohther proof and will not

bring in the torture or confession info.

[Luminous Animal]

14. Exactly. A show trial.

And after conviction, we all get to feel good that we've convicted a guy based on criminal evidence and that torture stuff? Well that was after the fact and it was just for fun and those people that we we tortured and can't be assured of a U.S. court criminal conviction? We'll save those trouble makers for a military commission.

[Luminous Animal]

3. No. It is a show trial.

His conviction is assured and if it wasn't he'd be tried under a military tribunal, and if that wasn't assured, he'd be held in indefinite detention. That is Obama's "justice" department.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/

[sandnsea]

5. What's your solution?

Let them all go?

[Luminous Animal]

6. We made our bed...

Show trials are for fascists.

[sandnsea]

8. If you can't answer

you can't complain about not being represented in the government. They have to have answers to problems. Sloganeering is not governing.

[Luminous Animal]

11. I did answer. Obliquely.

Each and every one deserves a fair trial. Obama's DOJ is only willing to "bring to justice" those who are assured conviction. For others it is half measures or no measures. If the evidence is tainted as a result of torture then too bad for us.

[Hippo_Tron]

7. In fairness, all federal trials are pretty much ones where conviction is assured

The feds don't take a case to trial unless they are almost certain they will win.

[Botany]

9. Oh please

Across the country many lawyers and prosecutors work 24/7 so that they only "go to trial"
when they are pretty sure that will win the case.

[Luminous Animal]

12. Do lawyers and prosecuters have "lesser" courts to rely on

if the civilian U.S. criminal justice system is not guaranteed to convict? Do they have the option of indefinite detention if conviction is not guaranteed?

[Botany]

13. I don't know what you are talking about.

The case will be heard in the Federal Court of Southern New York and if a person is found not guilty and other courts
do not have different charges on that person then they get to go free.

[Luminous Animal]

15. The Obama DOJ has 3 tiers of "justice" for "terrorists.

1) Those who are assured of a criminal conviction in U.S. courts.
2) Those who might be able to wage a credible defense and thus, will be tried before a military tribunal in which the lack of evidence is not an impediment to prosecution.
3) Indefinite detention.


The fix is in. There will be a conviction.

[LTR]

10. In New York? Hell no!

Ain't happening.

[no_hypocrisy]

16. Even if you had all the evidence thrown out due to Fourth and Eighth Amendment

violations, there'd be jury nullification. Find an impartial panel of jurors after 9-11 in this country. Find two individuals. It's in the marrow and psyche of this country.

[mmonk]

17. No.

While that might not be a bad thing, our system will probably remain damaged and might be further damaged if evidence and coerced confessions are allowed. So we probably don't have to worry about him, but going forward, most of legal system will be a kangaroo court system.