Roman Catholic Church Declares War

[Angry Dragon]

I have pondered this for a long time. This may get pulled. I find I can no longer keep my beliefs under wraps.

To me religion and church are two separate things. Religion being a very personal and private matter, each individual having a different religion than anyone else. Religion is a set of beliefs that we follow that allows us to exist in this world. The beliefs each one of carries is more than just church beliefs. It involves church, community, family, just a set of beliefs that allows us to survive. No two people are the same so no two sets of beliefs or religion can be the same. Everyone is free to have beliefs that work for them as long as they do not hurt anyone.

Religion is mostly thought of as believing in a higher power. The problem with this is what about the people that do not believe this way. Do we just forget about them?? I say no. They are as important as I am, they are as important as you. No more, no less. So looking at religion a little different than normal it would cover everyone. Just a set of beliefs to cover all aspects of life.

Church being a rigid organization controlling beliefs.

What I have found is that there is a church that is trying to interfere with my beliefs. They are trying to influence legislation that bears on my constitutional rights. The separation of church and state. They are free to believe as they wish and I am free to believe as I wish. When they try to tell me how to live, who to love, how to love, what kind of health care I should receive, what I can or not do with my body, then I really get mad and I draw the line.

Marriage is a civil matter, bodies are a civil matter, health care is a civil matter. Churches need to stay out of civil matters. Their job is to save souls. Any elected government official that puts church above the people is in violation of the Constitution. This country is for all the people, not churches. By putting churches above the people is in violation of the oath you took to uphold the Constitution. This also applies to churches of this country also.

There is a foreign city, a foreign state, a foreign government trying to influence legislation in this country. This effects my life and the people that are in my life. It is time for this to stop. I look at it as an invasion. An invasion is a act of war. How can a foreign government be allowed to legislate to us??

I am ready to put my beliefs up against the Roman Catholic Church and their beliefs. They have declared war on the United States of America by their attempt to subvert the Constitution of the United States. I will no longer be silent. It is time to be heard and make them accountable.

Religion and beliefs have a place in government. Churches do not. Government is a civil matter and has nothing to do with a church belief. The founding fathers saw this when they wrote the Constitution. They saw how England and France were as church had a hand in government. They wanted no part of it. They saw the dangers.

The people that say that this country was founded on god are wrong. It was not. This country was founded with the belief that people were free to worship and believe as they wished with no infringement on another. They were free to live as they wished with no harm to others. The Roman Catholic Church is infringing on my rights. It is time for it to stop.

Angry Dragon ........ I will continue this fight until they back off.



http://www.philly.com/philly/business/homepage/20091020...

http://jonathanturley.org/2009/11/12/catholic-church-in... /

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/13/catholi...

[ShortnFiery]

1. I miss attending Mass but I can't - in good conscious - go any more.

I feel empty but find community programs to help others.

Still, I miss my faith that has been hijacked by the nutty right wing hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

[Angry Dragon]

5. Religion, faith, community is beliefs.

Ever notice how when you try to lean a little from your beliefs you feel a little off center?? Just telling yourself that you are living a little out of your beliefs. Not sure if I said that right.

[ShortnFiery]

6. I understand. I can't "pretend" any longer to belong to a right wing religion.

:(

[Angry Dragon]

7. I look at a church religion

as a belief in a higher power, salvation, love for everyone, tolerance for everyone, compassion for everyone, help for the less fortunate. There is nothing wrong those beliefs. They hurt no one and infringe on no one. When the churches drift from these it causes problems.

If someone brought to government these beliefs it would be okay by me. It is when the churches try to tell that person how to be and what to believe that is the problem.

[Bitwit1234]

14. I don't and I won't it makes me feel I am doing

something wrong instead of something good. I miss Midnight Mass and all the good feelings it gave. But I am so sick and tired of the MEN who run the Catholic Church clinging to the old old ways of trying to subjugate women.

Look how in the pass they are. They don't even let women preach. And that tells you what they think.

[rwheeler31]

2. A majority of Catholics do not agree with this, it is the old men

who run the place acting like fools.

[Toasterlad]

11. The "Old Men Who Rund the Place" ARE the Church.

The catholic church is not a democracy. You can't vote out the guys at the top just because you don't like the way they're running the show. As a catholic, you're BOUND TO OBEY the teachings of the church. On a more practical level, you don't have a say in what they do with your money.

So you may declare your independence from the bigotry and hate espoused by the catholic church all you like, but at the end of the day, it is still YOUR money that is being used to fund that bigotry and hate. Which makes you exactly as culpable as those "old men".

[rwheeler31]

12. You are correct.

The universal nature of this faith leads me to believe it will not change.

[Angry Dragon]

16. I may be miss understanding you

I am not a catholic........I just feel the church is trying to put the churches' beliefs onto everyone even the people that are not catholics. If you are a catholic and want to follow the church I have no problem with that it is just things that are civil matters that no church should interfere with.

[Canuckistanian]

3. Their legislational swing should end at my civil rights nose

Any farther and I cry foul.

[Angry Dragon]

4. I know many catholics

My golfing buddies are catholic........I have nothing against the religion of catholics, it is the church. I feel the church preaches one thing and does another. I just do not like churches telling me how to live and what to believe.

[patrice]

8. The Church, RC or otherwise, lost all credibility when they threw in with Evangelical extremists

in order to try to overturn Roe v. Wade, but said nothing about or even cheered GWB's CHOICE to kill, or to enable the killing of, about 1 million Iraqis, 25-250 K of whom had to have been INNOCENT children.

As much as I disagree with Churches about a woman's right to choose reproductive services, I could have respected their viewpoint and, thus, tolerated their influence on policy if they weren't such a bunch of hypocrits about War. War IS Social Abortion.

The lives of the Innocent people who will be harmed by what Churches are trying to do to the Health Care debate and by their militancy against Same Sex Marriage deserve to be respected as much as any fetus' life deserves to be valued.

The contradictions between Church behavior and what they say they value are proof positive that they are NOT about Life.

Churches ARE about Power.

[BolivarianHero]

9. They were nuts long before the religious right gained prominence...

Together with the government, they practically turned 1940s and 1950s Quebec into a police state under Maurice Duplessis.

[ThePantaloon.com]

10. The Spanish Inquisition

The Catholic Empire is one of the most vile, violent, and corrupt in history. You shouldn't be surprised.

[aquart]

13. Churches are about male supremacy.

[mmonk]

15. This Catholic recommends your post.

The Church today has abandoned that which protected it in America's past from the Know Nothing movement, separation of Church and State.