Would you like genetically-engineered ketchup on your clone burger?

[SpiralHawk]

The Republicon-inspired Diet...Ptooooey.


SPECIAL REPORT: Welcome to the Clone Farm
Fri Nov 13, 2009

* People already eating meat from offspring of cloned cows

* Critics say testing is scant and safety questions remain

From Reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSN1278871

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[laconicsax]

1. So it's ok to eat an animal, but gross if that animal is a clone?

[show us yer moobs]

28. Funny how that works, isn't it? Same with people loving their pets

and yet having no problem with lusting after other creatures' flesh.

[Codeine]

2. Cloned meat is as safe as any other meat.

A clone is simply a genetic twin, not a Frankenstein's monster or something like that.

[Robb]

23. LOL

I totally agree. But I have to admit I laughed at "safe as any other meat," which doesn't mean as much as it used to. :D

[bbinacan]

3. Sure. n/t

[agoraphile]

4. I would pay extra for irradiated cowburgers that I could eat medium rare.

(I actually do eat med rare burgers because I can still get beef from a local guy who raises and humanely
butchers the beef...but he's an endangered species, unlike the cows)

[endless october]

5. i don't buy the Frankenfood hype.

however, i would pay more for safe irradiated meat.
Americans should have that option like other sane countries do.

[GaYellowDawg]

6. Stupid to be scared about clones.

What safety questions? If the genetic code hasn't been altered in any fashion, it's just another cow. And frankly, it's uneducated and stupid to be scared by the words "clone" or "cloning." Hell, identical twins are clones. Individual by individual, it's no problem. The danger comes in becoming too dependent on just a few lines and reducing genetic variability; that would make the livestock population significantly more at risk for an epidemic.

But would I eat a cow cloneburger? Yes. And tomatoes have been bred - you know, genetically engineered - for generations. So the answer is, sure. Cloneburger with genetically-engineered ketchup sounds great, so long as you include the genetically engineered mustard, too.

[ixion]

7. Watch Food, Inc. and King Corn if you think what you eat is generally good food

'cause it's not.

[paulsby]

9. why do you assume that everybody eats as portrayed in that movie

i've seen the way many people shop. no wonder they are fat.

how is that remotely relevant to cloned cows?

[ixion]

12. it focuses specifically on the industrial processing of food, both meats and vegatables

which most certainly includes cloned and genetically modified cows, pigs, chickens and everything else.

[paulsby]

13. and if somebody can produce a shred of evidence

that cloned cows cause a health risk to humans, i'd love to see it

reminds me of the people who whinge about meat from cows given bgh or tren.

neither can affect the safety of meat (milk is another story)

[SpiralHawk]

15. Eat what you like, of course

Gob up all the cloned, irradiated and genetically engineered tucker you crave.

But allow other people the right to chose clean food.

And support LABELS for food, so that people can chose clones & chemicals, irradiation, and GMOs if that's what they want, and likewise people who want clean food can find what they want.

No labels = occult corporate food fascism.

[paulsby]

34. i agree

i 100% support labeling

labeling is the best solution

allow people to make informed decisions. and benefit or suffer because of them.

[ixion]

17. by all means... chow down

bon appetite.

[G_j]

26. enjoy!

:rofl:

[paulsby]

35. shreds of evidence lacking

why am i not surprised?

the people on your side can be just as ignorant of science as the most blatant creationist.

it's quite amusing

[G_j]

37. that's a lot to extrapolate from one word

:banghead:

[paulsby]

38. again, still waiting...

and the evidence never comes...

just baseless rhetoric

[G_j]

42. sorry

I don't have decades of research following the health of thousands of people to offer you. I bet you don't either.

[paulsby]

43. here's a hint

if you are making an extraordinary claim, heck if you are making a claim at all, the burden is on you to provide evidence.

where is the evidence, or the scientific rationale at least for why meat from a cloned cow is unhealthy?

it makes NO sense biologically.

so, why would it be?

oh, because it's all icky and science'y and stuff?

ditto for meat from cows that were given bovine growth hormone or trenbolone. neither CAN be present in meat (let alone cooked meat) in any measurable amount, neither is orally bioavailable even if it WAS in meat and even if it was just directly transferred to the muscles (which it isnt), you would have ot eat the whole cow to get a small dose, etc.

[G_j]

44. like I said, enjoy!

I simply want clear labeling, and a choice. My point is, cloned meat hasn't been around for decades.
It's not so simple. Do you know of another way to research the long term effects something?

[Orrex]

46. What, exactly, do you think might be wrong with meat from cloned animals?

Be specific, please.

[stray cat]

8. I prefer E-coli

[Odin2005]

10. Sure. doesn't bother me.

Then again, I UNDERSTAND genetic engineering.

[Codeine]

25. Science is scary and hard and stuff. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. Well according to the woos we'll all die in 2012 anyway.

So what's the big deal?

[SpiralHawk]

14. Nah, that's republicon fear & hate Bullshit about 2012

Not what the Maya Daykeepers say at all.

Just like the Republicons want everyone to 'believe' a mutant diet and mutant planet are good, they want everyone to cower in fear about 2012.

Blaming the 'woos' is just more republicon spin and misdirection.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Where do you think they got the idea?

Woo woos.

Now that everybody's seeing how stupid they are, the woo woos are singing a different tune.

[Orrex]

16. People have been genetically tweaking their food for over 10,000 years

[SpiralHawk]

18. That's exactly what the agricorp PR departments say

You are welcome, of course to put your your full faith and trust in them...

[Orrex]

19. You invoke "faith" too often and too easily

Either because you don't know what it means, or because you don't know what it doesn't mean.


Let's be clear about this: do you or do you not accept that people have been genetically modifying food for 10 millennia?

[Odin2005]

31. No, that's what Biotech people like myself say.

I'm going into the field and am working on my Biotechnology degree part-time. :hi:

[Orrex]

32. The rampage continues!!!!!!!!!1!!1

And this, ladies and gentlemen, marks the last time I'll use that joke.

Thank you, thank you.

[Odin2005]

33. LOL!

:rofl:

[billh58]

48. Where do you think the

many variations of corn and other vegetables and grain came from? How did growing food become agriculture, as opposed to just gathering wild plants? How about the different breeds of domesticated food animals? How did they become domesticated?

As pointed out, genetic engineering has been going on for millennia and has been necessary to feed an ever increasing earth population. The only real difference with today's adaptation of genetic tinkering, is that we can do it much quicker without all of the trial-and-error splicing and dicing, or the many generations of cross- and intra-breeding.

Are we really back to arguing about whether, or not, catsup is a vegetable?

[MineralMan]

20. Sure. Sounds fine to me.

But, then again, I've been eating genetically engineered food all my life. How do you suppose our cattle breeds came about? And tomatoes? Have you ever seen the original fruit of the plant that has been manipulated to produce the tomatoes you see at your local farmer's market? I didn't think so. I'm not even sure that variety even exists any longer.

You are being silly, you know. That's because you apparently don't understand anything about the technology that produces our food species and varieties.

[Orrex]

21. Obviously you're a shill for evil agribusiness

What else could possibly explain your lack of terror about something, when somebody who doesn't understand it has clearly said that you should be scared of it?

[MineralMan]

22. Yeah, I suppose so. Since my parents own a citrus farm

in California, I guess it runs in the family. As farmers, of course, they're filthy rich and part of the evil agribusiness industry. Yes, indeed.

They also grow genetically engineered Valencia oranges, developed specifically for their juicy qualities and good appearance. Of course that happened a long, long time ago, but, hey...

[jmowreader]

24. Yes, I'll take some of that...

A Texas Aggie signed up for the Agricultural Genetic Engineering degree and immediately started working on crossbreeding Simmental cattle with Beefsteak tomatoes. His professor had a little talk with him.

"Jeff, you do know 'beefsteak' is just a name for the tomato varietal. There's not really any beefsteak in one."

"Yes, Dr. Smith, I know that."

"Then could you explain how you chose this particular research project?"

"The hamburgers from this cow will already have ketchup on them."

[Egnever]

27. Sure I am not really scared of the booga booga tactics of the anti science crowd

[Orrex]

29. You won't talk that way when you artificial foods bring your life to an early end

You'll die at 86 instead of, say, 87.

[Egnever]

36. boooga booga!

[Warren DeMontague]

30. "Waiter, My burger tastes like Temeura Morrison"

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. Yep. Gimme some of those GM sauteed onions too, please.

Hold the pickles though.

[liberal_at_heart]

41. It's easy to criticize when we have plenty of food

but genetically engineered food that can resist drought and bug plagues saves lives in countries where people starve to death.

[kwassa]

45. Can I get that with a side of fries?

Genetically-engineered and extra crispy.

[astral]

47. You've got apples and oranges in the same topic here.

Cloned is one thing. Genetically-modified is another.

And likely ALL ketchup that is not organic is genetically-modified. This does not mean genetic manipulation using variations of the same species or anything from the plant kingdom, it means something very different in this day and age than it did "all your life."

And yes, I eat ketchup anyway.