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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:42 AM
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President Obama says he's making certain his Afghan decision makes us 'safer'
Asked at a news conference in Japan what information he still needed to enable him to make a decision, Obama said it was not matter of awaiting a piece of data.

Instead, he said, "It's a matter of making certain that when I send young men and women into war and devote billions of dollars in U.S. taxpayer money, that it's making us safer and that the strategies that are in place, not just on the military side but also on the civilian side, are coordinated and effective in our primary goal."

The ultimate aim, he said, was to protect America and its allies from attack.

"I recognize that there have been critics of the process," Obama said. "They tend not to be folks who I think are directly involved in what's happening in Afghanistan."

He said that when he does arrive at a decision, he wants to be able to clearly explain to the American people the aim of his plan and what it will entail.

"It will also, I think, send a clear message that our goal here ultimately has to be for the Afghan people to be able to be in a position to provide their own security and that the United States cannot be engaged in an open-ended commitment," Obama said.

read: http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSSP110227


Two peeves about these comments. One is skepticism about the assertion that there is something he's putting together which will make us 'safer'. Our very military presence in Afghanistan has been shown to be counterproductive in that individuals bent on violent acts of resistance to the NATO advance on their homeland are increasing in numbers and violence faster than we can put them down.

The notion that preserving the Karzai government in power behind our nation-building will produce some definable measure of security for the U.S. is ludicrous. The man and regime are generating enemies of the state above and beyond the animosity Afghans have reserved for the foreign invaders. The tenuous deals the military forces have struck with warlords and others in control of Afghan territory beyond Kabul are not sustainable by ours or Karzai's will alone. They've been bribed to give access and movement of troops and that can't go on indefinitely. I wonder what events or situation on the ground the president will point to as he explains that his troops decision will make us 'safer'. In my view, only a deliberate exit can achieve those - for our troops in the field and for American interests and security at home and abroad. The president asserts that our commitment isn't 'open-ended', but I wonder how long he intends to drag his feet in getting us out of there, and what specifically he expects our troops to do in the interim.

'Training' Afghan forces will undoubtedly be a prominent part of the mission he's coordinating. That's not a certain process, as we see in Iraq, with our forces still in place waiting for the Maliki regime and their army to assume responsibility for their own security. Hell, Maliki told the U.S. years ago that we could leave and that Iraq would be just fine. The problem is that there's an institutional drag on these deployments where the U.S. never seems satisfied they've consolidated enough power to stand down. I'll be interested to hear the president's full rationale behind these ideals he's expressed.

The other 'peeve' I have with the comments is the notion that 'critics' "tend not to be folks who I think are directly involved in what's happening in Afghanistan" (even though he's correct to blast the political sniping of republicans accusing him of 'dithering'). If the president is doing his job in communicating effectively and candidly, there should be nothing about his mission in Afghanistan which the American people can't fully understand enough to make a decision or make an informed judgment about his actions - even critical ones.


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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:13 AM
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1. oh crap, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes now, please get us out.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:18 AM
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2. Where have we heard those justifications before?
Oh, now I remember...from the Chimperor.

:puke:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:18 AM
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3. It does have a familar ring to it.
:shrug:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:26 AM
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6. there is an element of 'securing our freedoms'
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 11:37 AM by bigtree
. . . in the notion he's presenting that the deployment of troops to Afghanistan is protecting our national security, or making us safer. I'm still inclined to attribute that phrase to a rhetorical stretch, but he has defined our main goals in Afghanistan as an effort to 'defeat al-Qaeda' in the country and the region, so that could be interpreted as something akin to the protection racket (imo) Bush employed to justify his own military activity abroad (if you accept, as I do, that there is no national security interest in Afghanistan which can be achieved by continuing the occupation)
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:21 AM
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4. Afghanistan has fuck all to do with American "safety...."
On the other hand, it likely has a lot to do with energy industry profit safety. Not to mention MIC job and investor security.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:23 AM
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5. Do I hear an echo? "We have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here."
Same old tune, different singer.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:59 AM
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7. he's just about there
. . . no question.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 12:57 PM
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8. .
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 04:26 PM
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9. This nation-building through equipping and arming national militaries is a ruse
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 04:26 PM by bertman
to enable us to stay as long as they can stretch this out.

It's so sad to see President Obama wading deeper into this swamp. Being fair to him, he DID say this is exactly what he was going to do if he was elected, but it still REEKS to high heaven and DOES NOT make us safer.

You make excellent points, bigtree. And so do the followup posts so far.

Rec.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 04:32 PM
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10. I've been trying to tell you we are not leaving.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 04:35 PM
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11. people say the darndest things
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:00 PM
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12. The decison ot Stand Down in Afghanistan...
Will not be easy politically, it will be a very hard sell to many skeptical people, such is the frame of thought of millions of Americans in recovery of the Bush years. However it will be the correct decision, it will save billions of dollars, it will bring our troops home and reduce their deaths. There is so much upside to just winding it down and bringing us home now and it will take a Hero, on Nov 4th 2008, I went to the polls hoping beyond hope that I was voting for a Hero.

President Obama America needs a Hero now more then ever, please do the right thing.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:39 AM
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13. Staying In Afghanistan Won't Protect Us, Not Even
from our home-grown terrorists. It won't protect Obama or the Democrats from the GOP lies and sabotage. It will just blow up more US citizens and Afghans, maim more people, dig a bigger hole in the economy, and enrich the warlords and profiteers.

END THE MADNESS! BRING OUR TROOPS HOME. DECLARE PEACE AND GET OUT.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 11:21 AM
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14. Screw Nation Building!!! We HAVE A NATION Here Too!! What About Us??
I just watched a movie (documentary) called "Schmatta -- From Rags To Riches To Rags" and it really depressed me!

Not exactly on subject here, but ABOUT what we are LOSING here in America BECAUSE we have spent SO MUCH TIME, trying to do what so many others before us have been unable to do!! Have they NOT been fighting in this part of the world since ALEXANDER THE GREAT?? What's changed?

I freely admit I'm no expert on foreign relations, but there are some things that seem simple enough to understand, when we here in our OWN country can't even keep people employed!

Simple words to an enormous problem, but that's just the gist of it!!
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 06:52 PM
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15. Weird how Bush and Obama
suppose that the American citizen wants American soldiers to die so that he or she is safer. I for one don't want the foundation of my security against a possible terrorist attack to be the certain deaths of other Americans (not to mention the others who will die).
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