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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 06:53 AM
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Hook, line and sinker; Another Media Black Eye: Second Cop Not Kimberly Munley Brought Down Hasan
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 07:02 AM by DainBramaged
With the publication of an interview with Sgt. Mark Todd, the actual cop who gunned down the killer at Fort Hood -- following its account of an unnamed eyewitness last night--The New York Times this afternoon finally underlined what some of us noticed from nearly the start: the media fell hook, line and sinker once again for a military account of what happened during the tragedy.

First, it was the "death" of the apparent mass murderer, Major Hasan, not corrected for hours. Then, for days, the story of how a white female cop brought down the shooter, even as she was receiving serious wounds.

Yet I noticed--without great searching--just hours after the attack that scattered eyewitnesses, via the Web and Twitter, were saying that the killer re-loaded after Kimberly Munley went down.

How could he have done that if she had just plugged him four times, supposedly ending the rampage? Some of those witnesses said they yelled at the unnamed second cop to shoot Hasan--which he did, and then went up and kicked his gun away.

Yet for days, the media rarely questioned the military's "official" story of Munley as savior. The New York Times was one of many who put Munley on the front page and declared, on Nov. 7, that she was the person who nailed Hasan. Its headline: "She ran to gunfire, and ended it." It said flatly that she "brought down the gunman."

Later that day, The Associated Press interviewed Todd and he described some of his actions that day, which raised questions about Munley's prime role. Still, most news outlets for days continued to label Munley "the" (singular) Fort Hood hero. It wasn't until two days ago that Todd got feature billing, although usually in a secondary role. Now, in the past day, he is finally getting his due as the original account begins to fall away. The New York Times pushed the envelope with its reports last night and today by James C. McKinley, Jr.

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1004042423


Second Officer Gives an Account of the Shooting at Ft. Hood


Sgt. Kimberly D. Munley has been applauded as a hero across the nation for shooting down Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan during the bloody rampage at Fort Hood last week. The account of heroism, given by the authorities, attracted the attention of newspapers, the networks and television talk shows.

But the initial story of how she and the accused gunman went down in an exchange of gunfire now appears to be inaccurate.

Another officer, Senior Sgt. Mark Todd, 42, said in an interview Thursday that he fired the shots that brought down the gunman after Sergeant Munley was seriously wounded. A witness confirmed Sergeant Todd’s account.

In the interview, Sergeant Todd said he and Sergeant Munley had pulled up to the scene in separate cars at the same time. He said they began running up a small hill toward the building that held the processing center where unarmed soldiers reported for check-ups and vaccinations before deployment. The gunman was already outside, Sergeant Todd recalled.

“That’s when the bystanders were pointing in his direction,” he said. “And when we popped up, he was standing there, and we shouted our commands — ‘Police, drop your weapons!’ — and he just opened fire on us.”

“Once I came around the front of the building, I caught his attention again, started shouting commands, and then he opened up a second time,” Sergeant Todd said. “And that’s when I returned fire, neutralized him and secured him.”



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13hood.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&hpw=&adxnnlx=1258113615-ftP5MmMiKkXvHCBMSiqcQg
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 06:56 AM
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1. the media love their little stories, don't they? nt
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 06:58 AM
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2. I wonder how FAUX bullshit will handle this one, or will they just
sweep it unde the rug as usual........ I watched Jon Stewart last night, priceless.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:00 AM
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3. It wasn't just Fox. DU had her story at the top of the Greatest page for 24 hours.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:07 AM
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7. Also, why does our military lie about the stupidest shit? nt
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:01 AM
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4. Do we even have professional journalist anymore?
I think they should contract out all those reporters and journalist to 12 year old 6th graders. I think they could do as good of a job and all those corporations pushing for child labor will get to see it in action every day.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:06 AM
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5. As usual, the media was looking for a hero
Hero's sell stories.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:07 AM
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6. The biggest black eye about this story is that the shooter
was killed. It begs the question - who was the shooter?
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:11 AM
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8. It begs the question, who's responsible for this bullshit, and why???
This story is going to yet again be a major embarrassment for the military. I would guess that there was some major ass-covering initially because of the sensitivity of this story, but what about the 'other' shooter that was mentioned initially and that we have heard NOTHING about???
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:16 AM
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9. Who was the shooter? Really? oh brother.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:19 AM
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11. Yup, who really WAS the shooter. The entire incident now comes into question
this is going to be a major clusterfuck, and I hope all of these scumbags who have been spewing so much anti-Islamic shit get to lick it back up. It's interesting this is coming out on Friday, doncha' think?????
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:21 AM
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12. ridiculous tin foilery.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:23 AM
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13. Let's bet a nickle it isn't, m'k?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:27 AM
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14. It is. there are literally scores of witnesses who saw hasan firing.
his background is one of a very disturbed individual. you want it to be some xian extremist. it's not.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:29 AM
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16. Scores of witnesses, and yet it was a black cop who we just find out
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 07:30 AM by DainBramaged
who brought him down................


I'll wait. I refuse to accept anything from the military as legitimate right now.

PS, your assumption about my wishes are so off base it is laughable........
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:35 AM
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19. you actually think racism was involved here in regards to the other cop?
The MSM just didn't want a black man to be a heroic figure? Couldn't have anything to do with the confusion that such an incident engenders regarding whose bullets struck who. It just has to be some nefarious plot to frame a Muslim and to disenfranchise a black cop from his heroic actions in favor of a white woman.

Your assumptions are what are laughable.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:38 AM
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22. Whatever. I'll wait...........
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 07:40 AM by DainBramaged
You can try to insult me (for whatever reason you deem logical) over my opinion here, and try and distill the incident to fit in a nice little box, but I'll wait.

We'll see what develops over the next couple of days........

On edit, and you don't think racism is involved regarding Hasan? Who's pathetic now?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:56 AM
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30. sure I think there are those who hate hasan because he's a Muslim
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 07:57 AM by cali
That has jackshit to do with his being the shooter.

on edit: so you think that hasan is being framed in a false flag operation?
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:58 AM
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33. And with that many witnesses, don't you think that the makeup of
the group would include various ethnic groups and races, considering that it was on a very large Army base.

Surely you are not suggesting that of all the witnesses, the only statements that were taken were from white people who want to suppress information as to the ethnicity of the people involved?

BTW, there really was a moon landing - it was not all done in a movie studio.
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:09 AM
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34. Did you coin that phrase?
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 09:10 AM by willing dwarf
I like how it has resonance of Tom Foolery in it. Well done whoever gets credit.

As for the question of the shooter, it's unfortunate that misinformation and disinformation are such a big part of past govt, CIA and military communication that it's hard to trust anything they say from the get-go. I don't think you need a tin foil hat to be wary based on past performance.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:37 AM
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21. The NYT reported this two days ago n/t
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:18 AM
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10. You raise a question
of who the shooter was. Do you suppose it wasn't Hassan? Are you thinking there was a reason to set Hassan up as the shooter, but that there was a hidden provacateur a la Haymarket Riots? But Hassan's remaining alive would be a big problem.

What would the reason be in doing this and pinning it on Hassan?

I'll admit, the info on this guy coming from Walter Reed feels just too easy. Daniel Zwerdling's been reporting on NPR all hours of the day and he seems to have encyclopedic knowledge of this guy's history.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:43 AM
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25. My question is basic
Why were we told the shooter was dead and then he is suddenly alive and the person we were told shot him is not the person who shot him.
Who were the people shooting and what explains why we were told he was dead when he was alive. Did they not know who was shooting? If none of the military had weapons (as we were told) then how did they not know if the shooter was dead or alive.

See with me - I can see that Hasan had serious issues but this story gets stranger by the day.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:47 AM
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27. Question not the role of the military, for they have deemed the short woman a hero
and all those who gaze upon her shall be in awe.................:sarcasm:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:27 AM
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15. And I put on Morning Schmo this morning JUST to see if he covered this
not a peep. nada, mostly our President in Asia.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:31 AM
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17. She is apparently heroic enough
for recognition even if she did not fire the effective shot(s). Of course, Sgt. Todd should get his due recognition as well. The details are a bit sketchy, but perhaps she kept the shooter busy enough for Todd to get a good vantage point and line up his shots. Perhaps she is the reason the shooter needed to reload. Either way, brave enough for me, even if all her shots missed.

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:33 AM
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18. What if she is a fabrication of the military press office???
:shrug:



Hook, line and sinker..................
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:36 AM
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20. pathetic.
she was there. she was shot and almost killed.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:39 AM
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23. Again, why you are insulting me is puzzling.
I guess you think that only your opinion here is valid.....
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willing dwarf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:15 AM
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35. I agree, we've seen this sort of thing before
and so many of us are beyond wary of govt/armed forces reportage. I'll wait to hear what the Seymour Hersch or some other reliable investigative reporter has to say about it.

It is ashame how the press has desecrated their position as an independent honest reporter of discovered facts. They have become the transcriptionists of received information and,too often, disinformation.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:42 AM
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24. The important thing is that an argument involving race and gender
has come up to cause a distraction. Shiny keys (rattles keys) anyone?

Soon there will be the "why did Hasan have to be shot? Why didn't the police use the tasers they so dearly love?" contingent :sarcasm:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:49 AM
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28. It's allways the usual suspects, including yourself................
who try to distract from the truth............
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:55 AM
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29. let's translate: "usual suspects = "those I disagree with"
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:57 AM
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31. Seeing that you aren't happy with this thread, and are trying to start a fight here
I think I'll let your frantic tappings go for the remainder of the day. Maybe you can go fight with someone else until you have your coffee.....
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:46 AM
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32. "I guess you think that only your opinion here is valid....." he said. nt
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 07:47 AM
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26. K & R nt
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:18 AM
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36. This is why the people on the scene should refuse to give interviews until they have
been debriefed and interviewed by the police.. There was nothing BUT misinformation that day, and it's hard to walk-it-back..and the people involved were all injured and unable to speak for themselves..

what's the rush,? What use it is to be first, if your information is wrong?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:29 AM
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37. If they were both there and confronted Hasan and fired shots, they're both heroes.
End of story.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:26 AM
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38. It's not the end of the story
so many people want to wrap this up in a neat little box and tuck it away, from the people claiming this was a terrorist attack to those just hoping for a hero out of this. It's WAY deeper than that, ad to simplify the story without all of the facts revealed insults us all.
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