Man Tried to Send Ft. Hood Suspect FLOWERS

[Xenotime]

Source: WOAI - San Antonio

A Killeen florist says he got a request from a man in Florida to send a bouquet of flowers to Maj. Nadal Hasan, the man charged with opening fire at Ft. Hood one week ago today, killing 13 people, 1200 WOAI news reports.

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What Enderle did deliver was a message to the FBI, which has interviewed the man who asked that the flowers be delivered, identified as Dan Ross.

In an e-mail to Enderle, Ross complained that the agents 'tried to intimidate him' and 'asked if he was on drugs.' Hasan never got his flowers, and the FBI has not commented on the case.

Enderle says he got yet another e-mail from Ross.

"He did send me more e-mails," Enderle said. "He is claiming that he didn't respect his constitutional rights."



Read more: http://radio.woai.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=119078&article=6311421

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May family..I don't know.

[SteppingRazor]

1. Also, the man in question believes he is the reincarnation of the Apostle Peter.

Seriously.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/specials/weirdflorida/blog/2009/11/man_tries_to_send_fort_hood_sh.html

[struggle4progress]

32. ... And when prompted for a clarification was to why a man would send roses to an alleged killer:

"I just heard the Holy Spirit tell me, 'It's true. It's phony bologna,'" said Ross ... His wife of 24 years, a Cambodia native, said Ross poses no threat ... "The FBI came by and thought I was on drugs," said Ross ... http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/military/army/man_bought_flowers_for_ft_hood_suspect1257948664459

[Tesha]

45. Hey, we're talking about religion here. According to the rules of that game, ...

there's no way to prove *HE'S NOT* the reincarnation of the Apostle Peter.

Tesha

[timeforpeace]

53. There's also no way to proves he's not one of a number of DUers who want to do this also.

[Tesha]

62. You ought to be required to PROVE this scurrilous strawman of an accusation. (NT)

[Solomon]

64. Yes I agree.

[woo me with science]

2. If I were that florist,

I would put a good lock on the door.

[Frank Cannon]

3. Or just someone being cute

Kind of a "get well soon, so that we can inject you" message.

[ejpoeta]

4. i think back to that man that killed those school girls. remember how the amish responded??

maybe the guy was being like the amish and showing christian behavior.... I am going to say that I bet that guy that did that had a lot of problems. Yes, he did an awful thing.... but god forbid anyone show any compassion towards him....

[cynatnite]

57. You didn't even bother to read the article where it said the asshole praised the fucking shooter...

Enderle says the Florida man ordered a 'Yellow Rose Bouquet' for Hasan, who is in guarded condition at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, and asked for the note to read 'in God's eye, and those who submit, you are a hero.'

Geez :eyes:

[proteus_lives]

61. Jesus Christ!

I would have shoved the flowers down his fucking throat.

Hasan doesn't deserve gifts from his groupies.

[Demeter]

5. Is this a Sign of a Paranoid, Hypervigilant Nation or what?

[paulsby]

12. no, it's the sign of a common sense nation

the guy did the right thing imo.

[Gormy Cuss]

13. Sending flowers is now grounds for an FBI notification?

Down the rabbit hole nation is more like it.


eta: and yes, I know about the note he requested. It's still just a bunch of flowers.

[Renew Deal]

31. Sending flowers to rampaging mass murderers....

Continue

[Gormy Cuss]

46. Yes, flowers. Not knives or other weapons.

It may be distasteful to most of us especially with his requested note, but where's the trigger for an investigation? Words?

[Renew Deal]

66. You have to be pretty fucked up to send this guy flowers

And if you're sympathetic to him, then you might be just as dangerous.

[struggle4progress]

34. ... With it, Ross requested the following note be attached. "Major Nidal Hasan Koran Chapter Two:

Verse 190-3. In God's eye, and those who submit, you are a hero" ... He claims his actions were that of a Christian - in fact, the apostle Peter, reborn. And when prompted for a clarification was to why a man would send roses to an alleged killer: "I just heard the Holy Spirit tell me, 'It's true. It's phony bologna,'" said Ross ... "The FBI came by and thought I was on drugs," said Ross ... http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/military/army/man_bought_flowers_for_ft_hood_suspect1257948664459

The florist got a strange request from a strange person and contacted authorities. Ross doesn't seem to be all there

[Kalyke]

42. First,the Qur'an has Surah's, not Verses.

And, secondly, that's not what that particular Surah and Verse say:

190. Fight against those who fight against you in the way of Allah, but do not transgress, for Allah does not love transgressors.

191. Kill them whenever you confront them and drive them out from where they drove you out. (For though killing is sinful) wrongful persecution is even worse than killing. Do not fight against them near the Holy Mosque unless they fight against you; but if they fight against you kill them, for that is the reward of such unbelievers.

192. Then if they desist, know well that Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Compassionate.

193. Keep on fighting against them until mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah prevails. But if they desist, then know that hostility is only against the wrong-doers.



The Holy Quran comprises of revelations from God to Prophet Muhammad over a period of twenty three years (610 C.E. – 632 C.E.). The first 13 years of the prophethood of Muhammad were at his hometown of Makkah, where he and his fellow Muslims were severely persecuted by the pagans of Makkah. During that time, Muslims were not ordered to fight back, but bear the persecutions. Finally, God ordered the Prophet and his fellow Muslims (known as Sahabah) to emigrate to the city of Madinah, about 400 kilometers away.

This emigration, known as the Hijrah, marked the beginning of a mini Islamic state in Madinah, in which the Prophet became the head of the state. It was not long before the polytheists of Makkah marched towards Madinah to wage war against Muslims and destroy the Islamic state of Madinah. This battle is known as the Battle of Badr. The verses 2.190-2.194, above were perhaps the first injunctions from God to Muslims to prepare themselves for fighting. It was obviously a war in the defense of their homeland and their Faith.

In verse 2.190, God instructs Muslims to fight back, but not to transgress and remain just even during the battle. "They are told that material interests should not be the motivation for their fighting, that they should not take up arms against those were not in opposition to the true faith, that they should not resort to unscrupulous methods or to the indiscriminate killing and pillage which characterized the wars of the pre-Islamic era, the Age of Ignorance. The excesses alluded to in this verse are acts such as taking up arms against women and children, the old and the injured, mutilation of the dead bodies of the enemy, uncalled for devastation through the destruction of fields and livestock, and other similar acts of injustice and brutality. In the Hadith all these acts have been prohibited. The real intent of the verse is to stress that force should be used only when its use is unavoidable, and only to the extent that is absolutely necessary." (note 201, page 151, Towards Understanding the Quran, Volume 1)

Commentary on verse 2.192: "God, in whom the believers have faith, is forgiving and ready to pardon even the worst criminals and sinners after they have renounced their arrogant defiance towards Him. It is suggested that this attribute of God should be reflected in the behavior of the believers as well. As the saying goes: ‘Mould your morals according to the attributes of God.’ Hence, whenever the believers have to resort to armed conflict, they should do so not for the sake of quenching their thirst for vengeance but in the cause of God’s religion. Their conflict with any group should last only as long as that group resists the cause of God. As soon as it gives up this resistance hostility should cease. (note 203, page 152, as above.)

http://www.islam101.com/terror/Surah2V190to194.htm

[Ian David]

71. Ever notice how hard it is to tell the difference between Religion and Insanity? n/t

[Better Today]

72. Boy, you've said a mouthful there. Truer words never typed.

[paulsby]

44. and flight lessons were just flight lessons

and etc. etc. (see: 911)

everytime some major incident happens, everybody gets all 20/15 hindsight and starts spewing about how "the signs were there", how dumb govt. just ignored the "obvious signs" bla bla bla

and yet, prior to such incidents, people walk around with blinders on.

never ceases to amaze me.

the flowers alone was not what he did. it's not "just a bunch of flowers" any more than a guy asking for flight lessons, but he doesn't want to learn to land, just to fly the plane to a certain destination, bla bla was just some guy wanting flight lessons

it is better to notify and it ends up being nothing, than to NOT notify and it ends up being another wacked out putz bent on terror and murder.

do you know how a smart detective started the whole french investigation (one of the largest international drug busts ever)? he noticed a guy in a bar throwing around an inordinate amount of money. the rest is history, and a damn good movie.

i've done hundreds of investigations. it is amazing the way a little hint can often lead to a major case. if it's nothing, it's nothing.

there's no civil right violation in a private vendor notifying the Fan Belt Inspectors (FBI) of something he thought was suspicious. maybe the FBI had two other minorly suspicious incidents with the same guy. the TOTALITY of all 3 might lead to something. the vendor is operating in an information vacuum. he doesn't know if this is some kind of nefarious d00d, or just a guy with a weird sense of empathy.

notify the FBI and let them handle it. it's smart. it's prudent. and it's what you do when you recognize you are not omniscient and that there may be other people doing the same thing about this guy.

[Gormy Cuss]

48. Conflating flight lessons and sending flowers? Really? That's idiotic.

As for the vendor, I'm not surprised that in the TERROR!TERROR!TERROR! mindset the florist thought it was a patriotic duty.

Spare me the story of your investigations based on little hints. Try being an innocent party on the other side of those "investigation" and see what it feels like. I've known people who were investigated as traitors based on busy body reports and to a person they vowed never, ever to talk to, let alone trust, law enforcement again.

[paulsby]

49. it's only idiotic

to people who only have hindsight.

fwiw, i HAVE been the innocent party on the other end of the investigation

heck, i was stopped at gunpoint

so spare me the crap.

not only is your analysis weak, but you make false assumptions about what i've experienced

the vendor did the right thing

[Gormy Cuss]

50. Were you accused of being a communist? A terrorist? Had all your relatives, friends, and coworkers

interviewed as part of the investigation? That's what I'm talking about, not a one shot stop at gunpoint. If I thought about that level of interaction the number of people that I've known jumps to dozens.

I made no analysis in this thread. The only assumption that I made about your experience was based on your own statements -- didn't even try to guess what kind of investigations you've done or in what capacity.

As for crap, calling what the vendor did "the right thing" is a perfect example of it.

[paulsby]

55. so you know that

because this man reported this suspicious incident to the FBI, that they are now going to put this guy under a hot white light (like in the movies, which may be the extent of your knowledge of investigative practices. iow, fantasy), and ask him

"are you a communist? are you a terrorist? "

etc.

get real.

it's a report of suspicious activity. that gives investigators something to investigate. they can do further background, surveillance (no warrant is needed for surveillance assuming plain/open view). they could have 3 other similarly small suspicious reports of the same GUY.

if 3 people view a thing that is only somewhat suspicious based on what they individually know, but in terms of the totality of the circ's, is VERY suspicious, the only way that information gets aggregated is if it is REPORTED.

or after something really shitty happens and everybody runs around blaming the govt. etc. for not noticing the obvious red flags.

i hark back yet again, to the french connection. one guy spreading money around a bar. one smart intuitive cop. and a HUGE crime ring eventually got busted.

it's amazing how often investigations work that way. heck, see: son of sam and a frigging PARKING ticket.

[mikeSchmuckabee]

56. What crap!

Are you seriously advocating informing the FBI (whom you seem to respect as highly as mechanics) everytime someone looks at you funny?

And then they can chase down and pre-empt crimes, what with all the free time they have after solving all the other crimes.

What an efficient system!

[paulsby]

74. nice strawman

i said no such thing

try again

[BoneDaddy]

68. Yes, it would be in my book

sending flowers is sending a message of solidarity to the person that what they did was acceptable.

[arcadian]

41. Man, you're fucked.

How is sending flowers to somebody in the hospital an illegal act that's worthy of a visit from the FBI?

Women marry serial killers in prison all the time. So the flower sender is wack, big deal.

[Better Today]

6. I'm sorry, and I know I'll be flamed, but this whole USA idea that no mercy,

no kindness, and no quarter should be shown anyone who has gone off the deep end for what appear to be reasonable reasons is ridiculous. It sounds like Hasan had a whole lot of pretty intense crap crossing his plate making it very difficult to remain rational. Shit, I'm just an atheist and the constant haranguing I used to get in Texas for not being a member of a church was enough to make me want to shoot up the Piggly Wiggly. I couldn't even imagine being a muslim in Texas, particularly anywhere near a military base in Texas.

Send the damned flowers, WTF is wrong with everyone. Nevermind, you'll all just tell me that it's me that wrong, everyone else with nothing more than hatred and revenge on their minds are "right".

[Th1onein]

7. Better Today, I absolutely agree with you.

I see this attitude daily in my fellow Americans. It's very sad.

[Better Today]

8. Wow, color me surprised that the first response to my post isn't a flame.

[katkat]

9. Better Today, I agree with you too n/t

[Not Sure]

10. This Texan agrees with you (nt)

[lobodons]

11. Fake Christians

This country is full of fake Christians. Seriously, WWJD in this situation? Possibly not send flowers, but most definitely not harass and deny compassion.

[BennyD]

14. I didn't see that he claimed to be a "Christian."

So what are you talking about??

[lobodons]

15. Not "he" but rather "we"

I was referring to the supposedly Christian nation that the United States claims to be. But of course it is which type of Christianity one refers I guess. It seems as if the United States is currently practicing the Christianity of the Crusades period than that of the Jesus period. (if my casual observance is historically incorrect, I'm sorry. Just sayin...)

[lumpy]

16. I'm sure the florist believed HIS ass would be in a sling if he

sent the flowers. Can't blame him for fearing retribution from the FBI.

[Better Today]

28. I can see reporting it, but the flowers should've been delivered.

[BoneDaddy]

69. No, they should not have

what passes for compassion on this board is staggering. Celebrating what he did with flowers is ghoulish. WTG florist.

[WriteDown]

17. Reasonable reasons? To go on a shooting spree?

Makes sense. Kind of like there are times when it is reasonable to rape a woman. :eyes:

[Better Today]

18. I said he had reasons to snap, and apparently gave many plenty of reasons

to suggest he needed help before he snapped. But, hey, go for the hateful spin as you choose.

[MARALE]

21. Just ignore Writedown

He is a troll and tries his best to stir up trouble when he can.

[mamaleah]

23. Oh, anyone who disagrees with the budding group to shower compassion on the murderous scum is a

troll.

[Better Today]

29. Murderous scum. Huh. Certainly one definition that seems to fit, just not the definitive one at

this moment in time, imo.

[Sinti]

20. People prefer blame and punishment to prevention, at this point in history

They refuse to accept the basic understanding that a man's thinking is made up of the genes he is given by birth, and the information he receives thereafter. His actions will follow his thinking. Murder is always insane - even in a self-defense, at least one of you is insane.

If we could let go of this need to blame, we could get a lot farther in being "civilized." If you figure out what the root of a problem is, then you can make that problem go away by removing that which feeds the root. I would suggest the food in question would be the bad information.

We will get there. Commonsense has a way of making itself prevail. Of course, I thought this stuff was realized long ago - they called it The Enlightenment... lay down your burden and open your eyes to the truth. I must have been schooled wrong.

[mamaleah]

24. Are you cool with people sending flowers to scum like Roeder too?

Where are threads demanding compassion for him?

[Better Today]

27. Roeder? Not the topic of discussion here. Not equivalent circumstances. If you desire

to limit your ability to look at how variables make these circumstances not-the-same, your privilege.

[mamaleah]

37. They are both asshats who murdered people.

And I doubt you'd be for sending flowers to the Major had he been a right wing whacko.

[Better Today]

51. I think you should continue to speak for yourself and no one else. I don't want to be

colored by the brush you're waving around.

[mamaleah]

54. I do not pretend to speak for anyone else. I am also not running around trying to

guilt people into feeling compassion for a murderer.


I'll ask you the same question I have asked a few others. Had the murderer been a Christian right wing nutbag, would he still be deserving of compassion, or is it because he is not that he is getting calls for compassion?

[Better Today]

60. It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with being a soldier in USA military.

That's just my POV, I can't speak for others. I'm an atheist and find all religions to be nothing more than hypocritical crutches for the weak, k? Our military is notorious for it's lack of care of our soldiers' psyches.

[chatnoir]

25. I totally agree with you

Sending flowers instead of grabbing the torch and pitchfork? Better alert the FBI!

[cali]

35. the guy doing the flower thing is clearly batshit crazy.

As for hasan my sympathy for whatever he may have endured ended the moment he mowed down a room of unarmed people.

This has zippo to do with revenge or hatred, dear. My sympathies lie with all those who are suffering from the heinous act of mass murder committed by Hasan. That list of people includes the families of the dead, the injured and Muslims who Hasan harmed by his actions.

You are completely clueless. Call it idiot compassion.

[Better Today]

52. I guess that at this point I have enough sympathies for all concerned, I understand some have

shortages of sympathy.

[cali]

63. Idiot compassion is not compassion at all.

[Better Today]

73. Then what are you bitching for if the compassion shown isn't compassion at all

[uppityperson]

40. Yup. eom

[superconnected]

19. I don't blame the FBI for investigating that, a bit.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

22. Sending poison Sumac would have been more appropriate

just sayin'

[slackmaster]

26. He's not dead yet

[Renew Deal]

30. "You must be on drugs"

:rofl:

[classysassy]

33. The feds on the job

sure wish that they were as concerned about the klan,the minute men and all the rest of the domestic law breakers.

[Cali_Democrat]

36. The Feds are concerned about flowers?

Ridiculous.

[oswaldactedalone]

38. My wife and I own a florist

and after reading the card message, I would've told the customer that he needs to find another florist. The message is offensive, and we do not deliver anything with messages we consider offensive, ie, no curse words, no belittling of scorned spouses, lovers, etc.

Doubt we would've contacted the FBI though.

[Renew Deal]

67. What's the craziest thing you have been asked to do?

Or seen on a card?

[yodoobo]

47. They don't care about flowers

But it seems reasonable to want to know more who is sending him flowers.

At a minimum, the FBI will talk to people close to the killer to try and understand motives.

And if someone is sending flowers, well they obviously have some connection to the accused.

This is a hella lot better than when Bush sent a jet around to all of Bin Ladens relatives, and whisked them out of the country and away from scrutiny.

[undeterred]

39. What kind of flowers?

:shrug:

[boppers]

43. Yellow Rose Bouquet

It's in the linked story.

[cynatnite]

58. People, read the ARTICLE! The guy called the shooter a fucking hero!

Are you people actually fucking okay with that? :wtf:

[mamaleah]

59. You wouldn't believe the hoops some would jump through.

nt

[surrealAmerican]

65. He did, but he also said things that made it ...

... obvious that he's delusional. This flower-sending person is not some sort of terrorist, he's just not sane.

[BoneDaddy]

70. The apologists on this board make me gag

If this was a man who blew up an abortion clinic, killing thirteen people and some right wing nut bag wanted to send the killer flowers and the florist reported it, you would be vociferous in your support of the florist and the FBI to investigate the crap out of him.

But because he is a muslim and it occurred on an army base, you do not.

The hypocrisy on this issue is staggering.