Anyone left seeking prosecution of BUSH/CHENEY era criminals-regardless of all else?

[bobthedrummer]

This includes all that are for the "privatization/outsourcing" of everything, those that have abandoned we, the people and the rule of law for global corporatism over human beings.

It's time for non-violent civil disobedience against these entrenched BUSH/CHENEY era criminals in conjunction with dialog with those that have the authority but continue to lack the political will to act.

We, the people must act now.

[barbtries]

1. i will always believe that the bush admin

should be subject to criminal prosecution for their many, many crimes.

[spotbird]

61. It's not as if playing nice

got us anywhere.

[PatrynXX]

81. Especially Cheney though

He's a terrorist. Killed millions... and gave Bush misleading crap. that Bush probably wanted to hear anyway

[LakeSamish706]

2. Absolutely... I really can't see how we can justify charging anyone for crimes...

until the Bush criminals are brought to justice.

I expect that I will turn awfully blue holding my breath though.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

56. print this PDF bumperstrip: "Love America - Try war crimes."

http://loveherliberally.com/images/strip-try_war_crimes.pdf">Click to open PDF and print. (FREE)

[librechik]

3. I'm furious that we seem to have no one but irresponsible cowards in DOJ

a**holes in Senate better stop blocking our nominees!

[noiretextatique]

4. i am ready to take to the streets

:kick:

[HowHasItComeToThis]

8. ME TOO

[Dreamer Tatum]

10. What's stopping you? nt

[noiretextatique]

21. you

:eyes: what's stopping you?

[Dreamer Tatum]

26. My towering indifference nt

[rhett o rick]

38. And what? nt

[dotymed]

78. Me too

Do people know that the SCOTUS actually refused to give
corporations, "person hood", and that a disgruntled
court recorder entered just the opposite in the description
memo? Why do we allow the corporations to exist without
charters that prove their benefits to their communities? It is
the law! We currently pay billions $$ to a private Afghan
contractor to deliver (by trucks), supplies to our Army. They
PAY THE TALIBAN our money (millions to the enemy we are
fighting) for safe crossing, so we can sacrifice our
children......come on..  One of the contractors is the Afghan
Presidents son and another is owned by brothers (convicted in
New York of Heroin trafficking). Their father is the Afghan
defense secretary. See the article at democracynow.org      We
all need to take to the streets.

[FiveGoodMen]

5. I'M still waiting, yes!

[Overseas]

6. K&R. I really think a thorough prosecution would help the USA

understand and accept the dramatic changes in our conduct of business and warfare required to reduce the severity of the consequences of the atmospheric deterioration caused by reckless industrialization.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

9. YES

[unaffiliated liberal]

80. Word.

[conscious evolution]

7. Prosecution still gets my vote

We created the idea of holding national leaders accountable for crimes against humanity and against the peace after WW2.
Why should our leaders get a free get out of jail card?

[Thothmes]

28. We always have.

Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon both got away with the war in Vietnam. We did absolutly nothing to hold either of them accountable for crimes against humanity or war crimes.

[conscious evolution]

33. We fucked up

by not holding them accountable.

[ixion]

11. it's the ONLY way we'll ever restore both

our international standing and the Rule of Law.

The Bush cabal must face justice, either in US courts, or the ICC.

[arthritisR_US]

12. absoflippinlutely!! n/t

[nc4bo]

13. .

:patriot:

[Blue_In_AK]

14. I'm still waiting,

and I feel like I'm going to be waiting for a long, long time. This is one area where I've been really disappointed in the Obama administration.

[pleah]

15. Ever wonder why Bushit/dick and others have never traveled abroad?

And, yes I still am demanding/waiting for prosecutions. Good to see you check in bobthedrummer! :toast: :hi: :patriot:

[bdamomma]

71. yea, cause their a$$es would be locked up in another country.

were is Rummy these days?? another snake slithering around, rove too.

[pleah]

91. Bingo!

;) :toast:

[Octafish]

16. What part of killing more than a million innocent people for their oil and gas...

... and then lying America into two illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars is hard to understand?

Those turds should be on trial RIGHT NOW FOR TREASON.

Then again, as a certain dude likes to point out to me, it's been 46 years since Dallas and We the People still haven't brought to justice the perpetrators.

[Greyhound]

17. Unfortunately this is another "I'm sorry I was right again" issue. We have heard the last

from this administration regarding the coup and subsequent (ongoing) crime spree.

[LakeSamish706]

18. Yep, I fear that your correct... And that doesn't sit well with me. n/t

[fascisthunter]

19. yes

[JDPriestly]

20. The crimes of the high and mighty must be prosecuted. If they are not

prosecuted, they become not just examples but precedents for future leaders. If Bush could get by with, then why can't Obama or Palin or whatever presidents follow Bush. It's not Bush, Cheney, etc. as individuals that are the problem. They are safely away from the centers of power for the moment. It's the fact that future leaders will look back at this time and consider what they can get by with and to what precedent they can point in order to reassure Americans that "That's just the way this is done."

So, I'm not after vengeance. I am after clarity, setting the record state, insuring good government and government by law not by whatever the president wants is legal. I favor the rule of law, not the rule of personality.

[annabanana]

22. All the worst of the worst stuff will happen again

if we don't prosecute this aggressively and VERY PUBLICLY

[keepthemhonest]

23. You know are asses would be in jail

if we broke a law.I can't stand this above the law crap.

"too powerful for jailtime" cheney and bush could be Bunk mates ,that's all I am going to say about that.

[G_j]

24. agreed!

agreed! agreed!

:thumbsup:
:applause:

[blm]

25. This country has lost much because the powerful work to protect the secrecy and privilege of BushInc

They all belong in jail for the rest of their evil, fascist lives.

[ArbustoBuster]

27. Every time we don't prosecute these bastards, they do something worse.

We didn't take down the Nixon gang after Watergate for their felonies. So we got Iran-Contra.
We didn't take down the Reagan-Bush41 gang after Iran-Contra for their treason. So we got Iraq.
We didn't take down the Bush43 gang after Iraq for their war crimes. So we get...

Unless we want these same jackals and their trained underlings back in power in the next Republican administration, we need to throw them in jail and destroy their careers.

[Thothmes]

29. We didn't take down Johnson for Vietnam, So we got

Iraq and Afghanistan.

[arcadian]

30. I'm still standing

[frylock]

31. right up at the top of my list..

if there isn't serious headway on this by 2012, obama will not get my vote. sorry.

[robertpaulsen]

32. Hell yes!

That's what it takes. Non-violent civil disobedience.

:kick:

[spanone]

34. frickin' fracken' A

[Mnemosyne]

35. Always, without end... n/t

[Poiuyt]

36. Isn't there a Spanish court seeking prosecution of Bush officials?

[Gregorian]

37. Yes. And a German indictment for Rumsfeld.

I'll die waiting if justice decides not to work. Justice seems to work on a sliding scale. Any powerful criminal would want it that way. It's our job to make sure it's just. It's hard to endure.

[rucky]

39. I don't see how anyone can trust their government without a hearing...

at the very least.

[gleaner]

40. Yes ...

I still want very much to see the Bush administration punished for war crimes, unconstitutional domestic actions like wiretapping and surveillance without a warrant. Their whole bag of worms need to be dumped out for everyone to see so that their history does not repeat itself and to clear the cloud of torture away from this country.

Yes, civil disobedience might help if any media outlet would show it, or if there were some way to publicize the action. When protesters took to the streets over the wars it was not covered. Some people never knew it happened. You had to know about the event and search the internet for the blogs and websites where you could find the pictures and videos.

In advance let me tell you that I don't take to the streets because I have had Multiple Sclerosis for over 30 years and my body doesn't do much of what I want it to. I did take to the streets against Viet Nam and other issues when I was a kid back in the 60s. It was good, but it was also reported. Do we have any trustworthy media outlets anymore? I have a lot of trouble believing any of them.

[OnyxCollie]

41. Always.

[jtrockville]

42. and justice for all

[glinda]

43. I agree. And the biggest mistake the Dems are making is NOT bringing Bush/

Rove/Cheney to justice. Look how Bush has set up almost his own "new government" in his new foundation or whatever it is supposed to be. It will spend all of it's time focused on taking Obama and everyone down. How stupid are the Dems? We must act!!!!!!

[G_j]

44. yep nt

[Hissyspit]

45. Here. nt

[DerekG]

46. Why would Obama want to set a precedent?

If Bush's war criminals get prosecuted, who's to say Obama's won't suffer the same fate?

[historian]

87. changes?

Didnt he constantly crow about changes? Well there you go. Put all those criminals in leavenworth (not some cushy country club on the ocean) with bubba 6.5 inch tattooed dude with a mullet who hasnt fresh ass in a long while and that will make many politicos think twice the next time. Unless of the course Bush enjoyed his stint with Bubba...?

[leftstreet]

47. K&R

[dmr]

48. The only way to at least minimize future abuses is to hold them accountable now

The past continually repeats itself, and each repeat becomes more horrific than the last.

[leveymg]

49. As always, a rec 4U

[daedalus_dude]

50. Needs to be done.

[mod mom]

51. Are we a land of laws? Then prosecute the war profiteering bastards!

[Usrename]

52. yep!

It has to be done.

[ThomWV]

53. I have nearly given up hope but Cheney seems hellbent on getting himself convicted of something.

The smartest thing on this earth that man could do is sit down and shut up and the second smartest thing he could do is tell his wife and daughter to sit down and shut up.

[Soylent Brice]

54. ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY

[Botany]

55. They lied to start a war to make money, rigged elections, tortured people,

and spied on us damn right they need to be in jail.

[autorank]

57. "Nuke 'em High"! k*r

[davidswanson]

58. http://prosecutebushcheney.org

http://prosecutebushcheney.org

[ChiciB1]

59. This Has Been A WISH Of Mine Since Day ONE Of This Admin AND

EVEN before! They ARE criminals and there's NO denying it!!!

This issue was one that began my "wondering" about Obama AND The Democratic congress! A REAL TURN OFF! I thought this would be something the would be pursued, but as with many other issues it lays on the floor collecting DUST and ruining part of what made America a ONCE Great Nation! The RULE OF LAW!!

[BlueJac]

60. I keep waiting for the change we can believe in...........

but I am starting to give up on it now. The US attorneys are still in place from the Bush administration.

[pjt7]

62. They are a highly intelligent criminal

enterprise that has it's dirty foot in ever aspect of America. They continue to do dirty tricks & foul our Country.

PUT EM IN JAIL or take em out.

[peace frog]

63. I never left

Still here, still demanding prosecution for the Bush/Cheney war criminals.

[jotsy]

64. Bozo the boy king and wicked Dickie have laid ruin to a century's worth of civil progress

and they did it in just under a decade. Jail time is too good for anybody who brought such long lasting suffering to a public in the pursuit of power and profit. The reasons they HAVE to be held to account are as layered as a genetically enhanced onion and certainly as pungent.

Vincent Bugliosi's The Prosecution of George W. Bush, suggests that any body with the name of a dead soldier can pop on down to the local D.A. and ask that charges be pressed. What became of the political candidate in New England who ran for office on a platform of bringing these kinds of charges.

As a nation I feel an identity crisis is a big part of our problem. It's hard to take pride in where your country stands when you discover everything you were sold was a bunk bill of bogus goods.

I'd personally like to see them dropped by helicopter at a refugee camp in the middle east wearing prison orange, and let the locals show us what justice looks like on their watch.

[Sinti]

65. There are some petitions

I realize many of us don't feel petitions are worth the paper they're printed on - that's why these are digital:

http://www.petitiononline.com/856798/petition.html - Investigate Bush/Cheney for war crimes at home

http://www.petitiononline.com/qu9p0205/petition.html - A call for a war crimes tribunal at the UN

http://www.democrats.com/special-prosecutor-for-bush-war-crimes - Special Prosecutor for Bush War Crimes

It may take a heck of a fuss to get anything done on this. Many people are far too worried about maintaining food and shelter to see this as a high priority. I wish they understood that it's their tax dollars and their sons being wasted in these wars, maybe that would make it personal. Maybe pictures of Fallujah (in the aftermath of white phosphorus) would help.

[NoSheep]

66. Absolutely. What can we do?

[NoSheep]

67. Deleted dupe.

[Mira]

68. i SUFFER IN SILENCE - ON THIS ISSUE-

a lot of the time.
I thank you and laud you for staying on it and reminding us. Kicked of course, and you, Bobthedrummer, are recommended.

[Hubert Flottz]

69. K&R

[bdamomma]

70. seeing that POS on TV last nite, he still makes my blood boil

why isn't he in jail, instead of making money??? only in America:shrug:

[man4allcats]

72. As one who still wears an "Impeach Bush and Cheney" wrist band,

I live for the day when that entire criminal organization is behind bars.

K&R!

[AllyCat]

73. here

[EmeraldCityGrl]

74. If only we could drop-ship their asses

in the middle of Spain. Let the Spanish do what we're too cowardly to do.

http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/09/08/spain-prosecution-bush-lawyers/

[juno jones]

75. K&R!

Hi Bob! :hi:

This administration has done nothing but reinforce the dawning knowledge that the fix is in somewhere. Scads of appointees who are traditionally retired at the end of a pres's term, like the attorneys, have been retained with little or no comment. Obama's cabinet is very close to what Hillary's cabinet would have looked like, a bunch of Clintonite DLC'ers. And most of all, policies of torture and political imprisonment have been continued and the information concerning them staunched despite the promises made by the current placeholder's campaign for illumination.

We are currently in the 'respite phase' of the takeover. Like Clinton, we will bitch and moan about the policies but accept them because a 'D' holds the office of pres and the changes aren't as onerous to the eye as the ones under reagan, bush, bush. We will be so wrapped up in defending 'progressive' officeholders from slander, that it will be hard to criticze the officeholders for dereliction of duty, and so it goes. Come '12 or '16, it will be the other sides turn again, and unhindered and unproscecuted, they will be ready for some more tough love and disaster capitalism...

[bvar22]

76. Not going to happen with this administration.

The National Policy is to sweep all this under the rug.

The Obama White House is more interested in letting Republican criminals Out-of Jail than putting War Criminals in jail. Besides, too many "Democrats" were co-conspirators.
If anything is done, it will have to come from foreign country, or from a private source.
We should take a page from the Republicans and "Centrist" Democrats ans Privatize the effort:

I support a private effort by Citizens of the World.
It is clear that the Democratic Party and the US Justice Department will do NOTHING to hold the criminals accountable.
A private organization representing Citizens of the World would have better results.

I will donate $500 to ANY organization that will place a Bounty on Bush/Cheney to be paid to anyone who provides evidence or sworn testimony that leads to the issuing of an International Arrest Warrant..

A small, transparent trust could be set up by a handful of lawyers, and located in a neutral country like Switzerland. If the BOUNTY is promoted internationally, it would quickly grow to Mega-Millions.

The fund would also be tasked with running full page "Wanted For War Crimes" ads in major Global newspapers every 3 months until the Bounty is awarded or depleted.

Wanted
for
WAR CRIMES

A $500 Million Dollar Reward will be paid to any individual, organization, or country that provides evidence or sworn testimony that leads to the arrest, or the issuance of an International Arrest Warrant for War Crimes committed by George Bush, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell, Condoleezza Rice, or Donald Rumsfeld.

I have neither the resources or skills to institute such a fund, but I am willing to donate $500. I also believe that there are at least a million more worldwide (extreme minimum) who would also be willing to donate....that adds up to some serious money.

Even if Bush/Cheney are never arrested, a Mega-Million Dollar International Bounty would certainly keep them looking over their shoulders and curtail retirement travel plans.

It would also put a nice ribbon around the Bush Legacy, AND serve as a warning to future "Unitary Executives".

[12string]

77. Bush era criminals

need to be prosecuted.Period.

[begin_within]

79. If they aren't prosecuted and jailed, that's like condoning it, then it could happen again.

[proReality]

82. Yes, but...

I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.

[unaffiliated liberal]

83. If the Bush administration crimes are not prosecuted

The failure to prosecute their crimes will set dangerous precedents.

The current administration, having the knowledge of those crimes as well as the ability and duty to prosecute, yet failing to do so, becomes complicit.

America's standing in the world community is forever damaged.

And I remain an unaffiliated liberal, which I became after the Obama administration failed to prosecute Bush era crimes.

Between the failure to prosecute these criminals and bogus "health care reform", how many disaffected Democrats can the party afford to lose?

[Lugnut]

84. Still here.

:hi:

[shadowknows69]

85. Still with you Bob.

[historian]

86. from what i am aware

there is a federal judge (cant remember name) who gave green light to continue investigation on bush cheney and the other thugs for diverse crimes including war crimes. Guess what/ Obama is opposing it.time to move on he says. How often have we heard that la di la?
If you mugged an old lady you can bet your most precious body parts that the dismiss the case on the basis of having to move on! Truth is my friends, a pox on both their houses.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

88. With you bobthedrummer

until it happens or until my last breath, whichever comes first.

[Initech]

89. Fuck those motherfuckers!!!!!!!

[tilsammans]

90. Agree. No more kumbaya from the Obama administration!!! n/t

[mstinamotorcity]

92. oh please

I have beautiful dreams of Dubya and Shooter in those infamous silver bracelets. I want my dreams to become reality for the American People. There can be no real restoration of America until those that crippled it face some sort of punishment. Plain and damn simple as that. JAIL,JAIL,JAIL the more i say it the more i like it. For all you believers just keep the faith and keep reminding each other every day how rotten the sons of puke were.