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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:02 AM
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We all have to agree, Barack Obama inherited a helluva mess.
And it is unrealistic to expect him to fix it in one short year.

However, we do expect him to recognize this mess.

Companies are not hiring but their productivity is up? They are squeezing more out of less. They are using fear within the economy against their employees. They are telling President Obama in not-so-subtle terms, "don't you dare raise our taxes". Don't mess with our stockholders.

We all understand there are no simple or easy solutions.

But the big banks and insurance companies have returned to usual practices and there have been no regulations placed on them since the disaster of last fall. Credit card companies are ripping off their holders with unreasonable increases and Congress does nothing. And we pay them well to do nothing.

Our lowest expectations have not been met.

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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:08 AM
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1. That still is not an excuse to do nothing
After a year now it is HIS economy and when people think "It's the economy stupid" they will not look back and blame Bush. Take a look at the NJ and VA races last week, it was about jobs.

Bill Clinton created 26 million jobs. People wonder why Reagan was liked but he created 22 million jobs. Most people are not political junkies or ideologues, they just want to go to work and improve their standard of living, and that hasn't happened this DECADE, with no signs of turning around unless you are GM or Wall Street.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:19 AM
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5. A physics lesson for those who expect more to have been done by the current administration:
(And, remember how fucking huge this country and it's economy is, and that Congress has a hand in all of this.)

Imagine a huge boulder rolling slowly down a hill, but accelerating. This boulder is our economy over the past several years under Bush.

Enter Obama, tasked with sending the boulder up the hill.

Before that can happen, he has to arrest the acceleration, hold the descent at a steady velocity.

But it's still rolling down, he has to apply additional force now to slow it down.

Still more force (actions and the time it takes for actions to take effect) are needed to decelerate the boulder.

At some point, the boulder stops.

Now, forces can send it back UP the hill.

For the shit that's taken 8 years and more to snowball, I'll give the administration way more than 10 months to turn it around.

You wanna be helpful?

Give him the congress he needs to get this done.

:patriot:
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:25 AM
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7. "Give him the congress he needs to get this done"
are you serious?
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:22 AM
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6. How many jobs do you think Bill Clinton created in his first year? nt
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:13 AM
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2. Do ya get the feeling?
That any number of DUers think they could have done better?
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:19 AM
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4. In terms of trying to move in a LIBERAL DIRECTION - yes, there are many of us who think
we would have at least tried to make progress instead of spending all his political capital propping up the very cretins who ruined everything in the first place.

We are not asking for immediate results, but a direction that indicates that results we desire will be somewhere in the future. What we have instead is more of the "not as bad as McCain (and PALIN" would have been.

Talk about damning with faint praise...
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:44 AM
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12. Heh
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 10:46 AM by BeFree
We have made some progress. It is early.

"the cretins" you say, who have "ruined everything" are your neighbors, etc.

What would you have Obama do? Fire all of them and find new replacements in 9 months? Be real.

Change takes time. Keep pressing for change, but remember,
some of your neighbors are just as angry as you are, only coming from the other direction.

Obama is, after all, on your side.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:14 AM
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3. "They are squeezing more out of less."
Live by efficiency, die by efficiency.
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optimator Donating Member (606 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:29 AM
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8. I disagree with the premise of inheritence
The shit heads on Obama's economic team are more than complicit in deregulating business, and in my opinion conspired with wall street with the intention of extorting the public.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:36 AM
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9. That's a different issue.
Yes, Geithner and Gates and Petraeus were all part of the present problems facing Obama and our nation. However, he still inherited them. It is his job to do something about it. These problems will not fix themselves. It will take tough decisions.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:36 AM
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10. For one thing you are talking about stuff that has had 30+ years to get
where it is today. All Clinton did was slow it down somewhat. And as far as regulations go, remember it took FDR 12 years to get them into place and that was only because everyone in the country was in sorry shape and they had enough of capitalization, so they were willing to experiment with socialistic ideals. Not so in todays world where government steps in and puts a band-aid on the problem so things are bad for some and not bad for others.

In 1929 everyone but a very few got crushed, also our parents and grand parents had a different mind set then the people of today, back then they knew what affected their neighbor affected them. Today its all about me, if I'm not effected by job loss then its not my problem, if I have health care then your not having health care isn't my problem. We have had 30+ years of out doing the guy next door, I'm so special I deserve everything I have and it was my own work that gave it to me type thinking going on.

Again you talk about credit card providers ripping us off, but your seeing it as a social problem where as there is folks out there that say its a problem because of personal greed, people got credit cards and screwed themselves. We live in a divided country now, we are not the united states, we are those that have and those that don't have. We laugh at the tea baggers bitching about taxes and rights and birth certificates all the while taking things that their tax dollars pay for, believe this, when the streets they drive on start tearing up their cars they are the ones bitching the loudest about how their tax dollars are being wasted.

Do I have an answer to all of these problems? No. Do I think the government is going to wave a magic wand and it will all be like it was in 1968. Again no. The government can only do so much and they are fighting an age old problem, the real problem is we the people are divided and until we come together we are going to face these types of problems. Part of that problem is some of the people buy into the corporate lie..............hard work will make them rich. BTW, another thing corporate america did was invest in the religious right so they have the "church" on their side which has divided the country even more, which was why the founding fathers wanted a separation between church and state.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:38 AM
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11. FDR did a lot in his first 100 days.
He recognized that we had a severe problem in our economy and structure.
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mrcheerful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:47 AM
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13. And so did a vast majority of the people, btw, when he had his WPA
program those that worked on the WPA projects weren't so happy, they called it We Putter Around, but they enjoyed the pay checks they got for the work they did. My grand father worked for the WPA and he often said he was tired of digging ditches one day just to fill them in the next, though he was grateful for the money he was paid. Today our president doesn't have the full support of the people.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:49 AM
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14. The Mess Left Behind
(by me)

They were careless people, Tom and Daisy - they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into their money or their vast carelessness, or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.

- F. Scott Fitzgerald


Sooner or later, heaving buckets of blame onto George W. Bush for what we as a nation are being forced to endure will become a facile excuse; at some point, the whole kit and caboodle will be the sole property of President Barack Obama, whether he likes it or not and be damned to excuses. Already, his administration has taken enough dramatic measures to ensure that, should something go wrong, a fair share of censure will and rightly should be placed on the present and not the past.

This has been one of those weeks, however, when everything happening bears the scars and stains of the despicable, cowardly and criminally insane actions of the Bush administration. This has been one of those weeks where it seems for all the world as if Bush left a flaming bag of dog poop on the White House porch before fleeing into the night, and President Obama had no choice but to stomp on it and get covered in crud. This has just been one of those weeks.

President Obama spoke before the UN General Assembly on Wednesday after making significant progress in two key areas of foreign policy: he secured concessions from Russia regarding sanctions on Iran and won support from both Moscow and Beijing for a resolution to curb nuclear proliferation. In his address, however, one could not help but notice how forcefully the president emphasized the demonstrable fact that he is not George W. Bush, and that the country he leads is not the same one that had run roughshod over the international community over the last eight years.

"During his address to the General Assembly," reported The New York Times on Thursday, "Mr. Obama sought to present a kinder, gentler America willing to make nice with the world. He suggested that the United States would no longer follow the go-it-alone policies that many United Nations members complained isolated the Bush administration from the organization. 'We have re-engaged the United Nations,' Mr. Obama said, to cheers from world leaders and delegates in the cavernous hall. 'We have paid our bills' - a direct reference to the former administration's practice of withholding some payment due the world body while it pressed for changes there."

The simple fact that an American president had to stand before that world body and apologize, to all intents and purposes, for the last American president is a stinging humiliation for this country, but the sad fact is that it had to be done. Resentments over what Mr. Bush and his minions did during their time continue to fester all over the world, but especially in and due to the two war-torn countries where fighting and dying continue even at this very moment - two countries Mr. Bush tore apart with the greedy opportunism of a spoiled child opening other people's Christmas presents.

A roadside bomb killed a policeman in Mosul, Iraq. Another roadside bomb in Mosul killed three Iraqi soldiers. A 20-year-old American soldier was killed when his Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Balad. Another American soldier, age 22, died of non-hostile wounds on an airbase in Kuwait. Approximately 30,000 families in the Ninevah province in Iraq have been displaced since the US invasion began in 2003, and remain so today. These are the facts from this week alone, and no amount of spin or bluster can counter the simple truth that Mr. Bush owns the blood and sorrow still being spilled into the sand and dust of that nation.

The Washington Post this week blew the lid off a policy rift that has apparently developed between military commanders and the Obama administration over how best to proceed in Afghanistan. Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the US and NATO commander in Afghanistan, was quoted in a leaked Pentagon report stating that unless more troops are dispatched to Afghanistan immediately, America risks losing the war within twelve months. The White House, by comparison, has been mulling over actually decreasing the number of US troops there, and focusing on protecting Afghan civilians while making targeted attacks against Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters.

Whatever decision is ultimately reached will become a defining moment for Obama, because whatever he does will be a policy shift from the Bush administration's actions in Afghanistan, and will cement this war as belonging in full to this White House. Even so, the fact remains that this eight-years-and-counting war in Afghanistan would almost certainly be in a far different place had Mr. Bush chosen not to scoop out so many troops from that country and send them to Iraq. Both wars are half-a-loaf failures left behind by Bush that, when combined, make for some rancid bread left on Obama's plate.

There were a number of other issues that came up this week to remind us of the mess Mr. Bush left behind. The apprehension of alleged terrorist plotters in Denver and New York has been riddled with questions about the validity of the investigation, i.e. whether this is for real or if the DoJ is showboating at the expense of someone's rights again, and that sounds all too familiar. Obama's decision to lower the standards for application of the "state secrets" privilege was roundly praised, but came with statements from the ACLU, the CCR and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin) warning the administration not to behave like its predecessor. Even the current debate over health care reform has not escaped the taint of the previous administration, as the people who are deliberately deranging the conversation with nonsense are the very ones brought to prominence on the coattails of Mr. Bush and his crew.

None of this excuses Mr. Obama from his responsibilities, and every day that passes makes the state of things more and more his to keep. This was one of those weeks, though, when the shadow of the last White House occupant lays long, dark and deep across these United States.

http://www.truthout.org/092409R
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 10:50 AM
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15. Are you familiar with the new regs Dodd came up with yesterday?
:shrug:
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JoeyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 07:13 PM
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16. Yep, it looks like a pretty good idea.
Edited on Thu Nov-12-09 07:14 PM by JoeyT
'cept the Blue Dogs will ally with the Republicans to destroy it the first chance they get. That or pull all its teeth so it can't accomplish anything. In fact, the bill was being fought before it was ever released.
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branders seine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-12-09 07:17 PM
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17. but he's only been doing nothing about it for 10 months!
It took the bushies 96 months of doing nothing to get us into this mess!






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