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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:52 PM Original message |
The questions "public option" supporters won't answer |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. All, thanks for the quick recs! |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Ah, the "unrecs" are out in force |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. REC |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Serious answer: It's a foot in the door for an expanded role |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Foot in the door logic worked in 1960 |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
17. Failing does not breed success. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. You are right failing doesn't breed success |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. You have literally no idea of what it's like to try to pass |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Oh I know |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. It practically is 55-45. |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Why strive for a theoretical "foot in the door" instead of good policy? |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. because today, in our political climate, there is no chance for 'good policy' |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. What climate is that? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. the people who turned out to vote had 70 million different visions |
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cark (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. 2008 success |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. You act as if single payer has ever been a serious possibility. |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. I act as if leadership and good policy are better than |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. No, we live in the real world, not the make believe world |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
40. Which make-believe world? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. You pretend that the choice is between single payer and the public option. |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Your responses here are complete straw men. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Then you don't care if the Democrats cave on the public option |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Yes, I don't care |
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cark (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
56. Best policy |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
58. Because we can't pass good policy. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
6. OK, then |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Let's start with #6 |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. because Democrats get as many donations from the Industry |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. Democrats like Kucinich? |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:48 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. I'm sure he has |
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Hell Hath No Fury (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Go to OpenSecrets ... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. Including Dems like Kucinich. |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. On #5 |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. On #4, what evidence is there for that? |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
37. On #3 |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. On # 1 and #2 |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'll answer with some questions for Single Payer-only supporters |
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rudy23 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. You can only answer a question with these irrelevant questions. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. The questions are equivalent nonsense. You want to be taken seriously, ask serious questions. |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
51. Don't try to unite people with bullshit |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. + WIN nt |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. How do you "win" by dodging the questions? n/t |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Because you're arguing for nothing in the alternative, which |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. If we continue to have brain-dead discourse, then you're right |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:42 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. The short answer is that the public option is better than nothing, but |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Still not answering the questions |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Short answer: public option is the best possibility, but not as good |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Why are you dodging the questions? |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Why are you asking stupid questions? |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
39. You've run rings around me logically |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. No, you are just spinning in circles all on your own. |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:00 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Why not just admit that |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Why not just admit that |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
13. The facts public option opponents ignore |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Why are you dodging the questions? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Why are you pretending that all your questions haven't been addressed? n/t |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. And where are the good answers to those questions? n/t |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
41. Ok.... |
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lwcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Follow-ups |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Yeah, on #2 I'm not talking who will but who can |
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