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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 01:59 PM Original message |
Bourgeois Underground - Why Class Matters PART 2 |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
1. Thanks! This commentary is both intelligent and thoughtful. |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Rhetoric may also be a state of mind |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. I have an answer for you... |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. hmmm |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. There's nothing ad hominem about the observation |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. is so |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Except that, I didn't suggest that. |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:06 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. went with is so |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. I'll take that as a, "yes I see that I overreacted and my accusations were inappropriate." |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. man, you do want that pound of flesh |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Ok ok, I relent! |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. purrrrrr n/t |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. And from my experience of being poor, I can tell you that "rhetoric" is most often employed |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:49 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Trust Me... You're Not Attacked Because You're Poor. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. That is an unfair attack. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Riiiiiight. "Meaningless generalizations" was not an attack. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Oops. My sincere applogies. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Well, that explains it. ^_^ |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. How are we to hold the country if we do not anticipate? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Begging me to think. How patronizing. |
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kaehele (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. this is nonsense |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. No, you don't. That's insincere, and you know it. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well said. k&r |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. Translation: Lots of DUers disagree with me so they must be bad somehow -- I know, "BOURGEOISE" ! |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. You use an insult to try to win an argument... |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. the biggest one is claiming we're predominately upper middle class without a shred of proof. |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. What insult? Disagreeing is not "insult" |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. hey, it took him a lot of time to write that!11!! you elitist you. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
9. I mostly agree with your post. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. I agree with you and must have misstated my opinion on that - let me clarify: |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #13 |
66. " So, when some cook introduces an amendment that fundamentally alters women's rights,..." |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
11. Class is not really a state of mind. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
12. Class is both a state of mind and an income amount |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. True, but on a discussion board what you own doesn't matter. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. Yes yes! Thank you and other other poster below who corrected my unclear choice of words. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
15. I disagree -- I think both parties are solidly middle class in numbers and thinking |
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divideandconquer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. My 2 cents is that DU has drifted to the right because the Dems are the ruling party |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. The democratic party acts more in the intersts of the non-rich. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Welfare reform was a direct attack on the poor. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Yes, I agree with absolutely all what you just said. |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. I would also add how poverty benefits them financially and personally. |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. +1 |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:59 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Absolutely right. Nailed it 100% |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 10:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
61. and welfare reform was a Republican initiative |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Well then he needs to stop boasting about it. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. that's Clinton, not the Democratic Party |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. So it's poor people fault for not voting. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Also his line "the era of big government is over" was a declaration of war on the poor. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #73 |
79. and I, for one, sent him an angry letter after that |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:06 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. it would have been a different story if not for the massacre of 1994 |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Well he certainly didn''t have the back of those on welfare. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:13 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Yup. Always blame poor people, deflect responsibility away from power and privilege |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #72 |
80. right, it is better to always blame the Democrats. My bad. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:07 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Why do you think that is? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. let me take a wild guess |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I'm asking you, and you haven't answered. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I have answered. The second part. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. That's why you think poor people don't vote? Any of these other factors ring a bell? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. I see you have no response. |
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mullard12ax7 (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. DOW 10,000! I made a boatload this year, brag about your wealth too! |
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ThomCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Yes, often. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
39. Often? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Um yes, its funny that you should mention the stock market: |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:27 PM Response to Reply #18 |
57. And you forget the best: Thanks to the corporate Blue Dogs, the Democratic Party |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
29. Does empathy trump privilege? |
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ddeclue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
30. The 20th Century called.. they want their rhetoric back.. |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:18 PM Response to Original message |
31. I was pulling for you before, but you lost me |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:30 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Perhaps the words need corrected then. But how can you deny this: |
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MSchreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
54. I'm not a Weberian |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 11:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Wish you weren't right but you are. n/t |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
75. good post! |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. Yay! More Dribble! All This Effort Just Because Of "Some People Disagree With Me" Complex LOL |
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ecstatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
47. You're right about this site being mostly white... but who is more |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. I'm not sure. I mean that sincerely, I went bankrupt from medical bills and have no insurance.... |
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ipaint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. They don't seem to like working class and poor women very much. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
48. I have to agree. nt |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:12 PM Response to Original message |
55. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I'd suggest one less cup of coffee ... |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Sure. That's why Republicans rule the poor southern state |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #59 |
70. The OP isn't an insult to anyone unless it hits too close to home. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:09 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. It's an insult for you to say that everyone who doesn't follow your take on events |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Interesting, since I never said that. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Well |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. A) I'm not a reading coach B) You're obviously not sincere so figure it out on your own. |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 05:34 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I guess I'll just go back to "kissing the whip of power" |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. If you think that applies to you, then by all means. |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Think before you guffaw... |
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sudopod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 01:47 AM Response to Reply #62 |
82. If it weren't for the right distracting people with |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:09 AM Response to Reply #55 |
69. Elite opinion, refers to our financial owners, who DONT care/oppose civil rights. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-11-09 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
58. not sure what your agenda is, but your definitions of "class" are off |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
71. Care to elaborate? |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. not right now |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. It's tomorrow - do you have the time, or energy now? |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-13-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
96. So now its the next day? Still no time? |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
74. Excellent and thoughtful post. Thanks. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-12-09 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
83. thanks for posting this! |
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