Christians my ass

[era veteran]

I manage a popular independent restaurant, last night a server told me that when a group of 10 middle age men, were waiting for a table, he asked if he could get them a beverage. One of them actually said " Fuck-you, where were you 5 minutes ago?" The server turned and walked away. I did not see or hear this and the server, knowing me, would not tell me later which man insulted him. The worse part was when their food arrived they fucking joined hands and prayed. These assholes waited less than 10 minutes for a large table in a busy place and had the nerve to act like this. If I had heard the initial fuck-you I would have thrown these bastards out. Sorry to rant & bitch but this is one of the things that really piss me off. The customer is NOT always right and service people have 'rights'. The worse assholes are the kick down & kiss up assholes. Peace, Richard

[madokie]

1. And if I'd have been there I'd haved helped you kick their asses out

I began my work world as a service person when I was but just a lad of 14 and I didn't take any shit then either

[AnneD]

2. I am a Christian...

and worked as a waitress and I hated working Sundays. They come in groups of 20, monopolize your time, and leave you a $2 tip and a bible tract. The manager finally started charging a gratuity because none of us would work Sunday. I spoke about that at Sunday school classes and Joel Osteen did a funny and pointed sermon about that once too. We are doing our work, not the Lord's so please tip.

[LuvNewcastle]

6. My experience was the same.

I've seen people bitch about the 15% gratuity when they got their bill. They would try to find little things wrong and would even sometimes ask for a manager to get out of paying it. Some groups were nice, though, and would leave something extra for me. But the complainers could be so bad that they would ruin my whole day.

[mwb970]

37. Jeez, I always tip 20-25%.

But then, I'm not a "Christian".

[AnneD]

65. I tip a minimum....

of 25% up to 50%. If I don't have enough to tip, I cut back on my order or don't eat. I have been known to tip drive thrus, carhops, hotel maids, valets -I have an old but paid for car-so that is very funny, and I always give Christmas tips to folks that wait on me year round before black Friday (rare in the South).

I do it because I am a Christian and I should follow Christ's example and treat others with love and compassion. I don't do it to be rewarded later in heaven or that I might be punished if I don't.

By being kind to those that serve, I become a better person. But I do occasionally do get a guilty pleasure when waitstaff that I know pull me out of a long line and give me prime seating and are very attentive (esp if I am with my Mom). I am sure the folks back in the line wonder who I am.

[undeterred]

20. Oh, you just made me remember "chicken eater sundays"...

On Sundays a restaurant I worked at had an "all you can eat" chicken dinner. Not a buffet, so we had to keep bringing plates of chicken to the tables. Rudest people, and the most work for the least money.

[bullwinkle428]

42. People got all pissed when restaurants starting instituting a mandatory 18%

gratuity for parties of 6 (or maybe 8) or more - they have to realize that this policy didn't just pop up out thin air. Servers were absolutely getting FUCKED OVER!! :mad:

[Arugula Latte]

51. I'm trying to remember whose food industry book it was that complained

about the "visible Christians" (the ones wearing crosses, conspicuously praying in public, etc.) It might have been Anthony Bourdain. Anyway, s/he said that these people were among the very worst customers/tippers.

[question everything]

54. Many restaurants add gratuity for a group of 10 or more

mostly because often people "assume" that the others will tip.

[Solomon]

3. Agreed. Good post.

That kind of thing pisses me off too.

Hypocrits.

And stupid too. I'd be too paranoid to eat in a place in which I pissed the staff off. (Not saying your place would retaliate - but I wouldn't be comfortable eating just wondering about it)

[era veteran]

17. Never in over 30 years have I seen retaliation

like contaminating the food but I have heard a million threats. Cooks & servers are all working many things at once it can stress you out. Just venting is all I have ever seen.

[JHB]

4. Pharisees...

...insist on pious displays, but tend to "backslide" on pious actions, especially the small ones (like humility, and "do unto others...")


(on edit: I use "backslide" out of politeness, but a few other, less generous phrases come to mind first)

[Sherman A1]

5. That is my store's policy as well

cross the language line to abusive and out the door with you. I know my former boss showed a few folks to the exits over the years.

[Postman]

7. Just for shits and giggles.....

My son used to bus tables at a Hyatt Regency Hotel. He told me one day this holier-than-thou type was constantly complaining about everything despite my sons best efforts to please the man. He became soo upset with service that the customer splashed him with coffee. At that point my son took his plate of food and slammed it right in his lap.

It was like a scene out of a Three Stooges movie.

Needless to say that was his last day on that job.

[winston61]

8. Down here in Texas I see this all the time-

Especially among middle class white men. When the discussion turns to politics, it's all Obama nigger this, Obama nigger that. They don't just hate black folks either. They despise anyone who does not hold their 'religious' views, anyone poorer than they are and don't get them started on Mexicans. But when the chow shows up they get all holy roller and pray to 'Jesus' for this awful world they are forced to live in. It's enough to make you puke and if you call them on it, they start in on you. Nigger lover, spic lover, welfare queen, etc. Assholes to a man and proud of it.

[JHB]

29. That beings me back...

Not quite in the league you're talking about, but back in college I used to deliver pizzas on campus to make ends meet. The things you'd overhear when making a delivery to the College Republicans....

On the other hand, at least this bunch tipped well.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

48. wow, that made my stomach turn

I'm not kidding! Reading this description literally made me queasy.

Uck.

Wow... as a Buddhist, it's hard to consider how to respond with compassion with people like this. What do you say to that kind of mindset? I guess thinking you could change that kind of mind with words alone would be naive. Obviously they're miserable...well, compassion wouldn't be pretending their behavior is acceptable, that's for sure.

[GoCubsGo]

61. Sounds like my town...

Same shit, different assholes. Granted, I heard stuff like that when I was back in Chicago, too. But, they didn't hide behind Jeebus when the spouted that garbage. They weren't holy rollers up there. What gets me is that the holy rollers around here will claim they're not the racists. It's those who call them out on it that are. They're really defensive about it, too. Right after last year's election, some of them were fear-mongering in my local fishwrap's on-line comments. I pointed out that their ilk are afraid of everything--change, terrorists, atheists, brown people, anyone or anything different than them. I listed a whole bunch of things, but all they saw was "brown people." Proof enough for me.

[Solomon]

9. My administrative aide where I work is an in your face

christian. One day we were ordering food to be delivered and a co-worker was reminding her about adding in money for the tip and she hollered out, "oh, I never tip". She had no clue as to what she should tip because she never does.

I couldn't believe it. I busted her out on the spot. I said "you must not eat in restaurants" and she said "yes I do, quite a bit, but I never tip." This woman is in her 60's.

I couldn't believe it. The rest of the day the whole office kind of shamed her about it.

[winston61]

10. Not tipping service workers is just the tip of the iceberg--

They complain the loudest, always ask for a reduction on the bill, do not tip and always remind anyone in earshot about what a great 'Christian' they are.

[winston61]

11. Good luck trying to shame this clueless bastard, they see

nothing wrong in their actions. They are 'saved', they are immune to self examination and conscience. They are 'right' and the entire rest of the world is wrong.

[Solomon]

14. I kept asking her, "do you know that waiters and

waitresses don't get paid much and actually have to rely on tips". She then claimed that she used to wait tables! Everybody laughed because they knew was lying. If anybody, anybody, should get a tip, it should be waiters and waitresses.

[CrispyQ]

39. "...they are immune to self examination and conscience."

That is an excellent summation.

[CrispyQ]

38. I did executive expense reports for years

& the best tippers were women executives, the top sales guys - the party types especially, & one CEO who was beyond rich. They tipped 20% or more consistently. The rest of the execs tipped about 8-10%, sometimes even less.

[bullwinkle428]

43. Jeez, I'm not even in the same universe as "rich" and consistently

tip at 20% (and up to 25% for really outstanding service)! If you can't afford that, eat at cheaper restaurants!

[patrice]

12. It's a fact. Many people enjoy hurting others. "Christian" is no different from other labels.

[Lint Head]

13. I would have interrupted them in the middle of their prayer and

said, "One of you just told my waiter to go and have sex with himself. We do not allow sexual perversion in my restaurant. You all must leave now or identify the sexual deviant among you."

[8 track mind]

30. oh that's excellent!

I would have loved to see the expressions of their faces after that bomb was dropped....

[Nye Bevan]

15. Just because someone prays it does not make them a good person

Another example would be suicide bombers praying to Allah right before committing mass murder. Or people who shoot abortion doctors praying to God and convincing themselves they are carrying out his wishes. Then of course there were the nuns at my Catholic school when I was a kid who always prayed oh-so-devoutly but did not hesitate to beat the kids with bamboo canes for the slightest infraction.

[LaydeeBug]

16. Greater Grace Crazy Loons from Hell would frequent the restaurant I worked in in undergrad...

I worked at a Bertucci's and these people were crazy. Fucking crazy. Rude, never tipped, ran you like crazy, every horror story you could imagine. Parties of 35 showing up and only order ice water and rolls (they're free). Well it turns out Bertucci's was started in Boston, and that church was LITERALLY LEAD out of Mass, I am not sure why. The owners were still original when i worked there, and when they found out it was them, the owner was at my store the next DAY and told them NEVER to return to his establishment. It was truly amazing.

They came back after that, but were MUCH nicer, actually ordered, and didn't gripe when there was a gratuity added to a party of seventeen. we never had problems with them again...

[a la izquierda]

41. I worked at a Bertucci's in NJ...

wanted to hang myself after a few months.

Those rolls were awesome, though.

[madrchsod]

18. my wife has poured drinks on people

and chased down people in the parking lot to give them back their "10 ct" tips. needless to say no one insulted my wife and got away with it...

[Gman2]

19. Get serious. The way to deal with them, is biblically.

They were rude, and insulting. You tell them that their behaviour is unchristian. If they mouth off again, you look them straight in the eye, and ask who their spiritual leader is. You want to discuss with him/her, the behaviour of the group. Declare, that when they hem and haw, that they are extrabiblical, and will be dealt with. Do it as calm, and as forceful as possible.

[phasma ex machina]

24. +1 Calm yet forceful. Good advice. nt

[patrice]

25. I like that very much. "Who is your spiritual leader?" Call these Whited Sepluchres out in Public.

Ask calmly but loudly enough to be heard by others and then repeat the name at least 2 times.

Excellent, excellent idea.

[LaydeeBug]

28. that is exactly what worked... nt

[Iggo]

33. That is EXCELLENT advice! (n/t)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. spitting in food DOES serve a purpose. call it the blood of christ

and all is forgiven.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. They all follow a book which is pro slavery

and it shows. Both old and new testaments are chock full of verses in favor of slavery, admonishments to the slaves to obey and the bestowing upon the 'master' God's approval and proxy.

This is why they treat others like chattel. Part of the religion.

[spoony]

50. Is this your talking point this month? nt

[dugaresa]

23. The folks that take the time to tell me how Christian they are do me a great service

I know to avoid them.

Some of the nastiest people I know are the born again types.

[patrice]

26. I think many mistake Gossip for something like "spiritual analysis", when in fact it comes from

the desire to hurt others.

[get the red out]

27. Christian males

I would imagine they are also white? The people of most privilege in this country expect to be treated as such. They are top dog by race, religion and gender so of course they mistreated the server then prayed. That is how they think. She was nothing, she was only female and not of their socio-economic class. This is the kind of hateful thinking and behavior that characterizes the typical Christian, white-male Republican. Privilege all the way and expecting nothing less.

The most sickening group in the world IMO. Disgusting.

[patrice]

31. Right, "I have what I have, because I am good and God rewards me" = Idolatry.

[get the red out]

36. Yep "Prosperity Gospel"

[era veteran]

34. No, these were equal opportunity pricks

Other ethnic groups were represented.

[Kansas Wyatt]

35. So that's my problem...

I've got the race and gender part down, but I just need to be 'saved,' so I can be top dog. Then I would not feel the need to always tip at least 20%, rounding up after sales tax, regardless of the server's race or gender.

No thanks, I don't ever want to be saved or be a republican.

[Iggo]

32. Never ceases to amaze me how people will insult the waitstaff...

....BEFORE they get their food!

:rofl:

[Liberal_in_LA]

40. "the server, knowing me, would not tell me later which man insulted him"

:rofl:

[AnneD]

44. As Joel Olsteen once put it.....

don't go to this church and not tip. What does that tell this stranger about Christ? What kind of messengers are we? I don't know about your God, but mine is a loving and generous God.

I know folks like to trash Christians and Joel in particular. I don't go to Lakewood but I enjoy catching his sermons now and again. That was one of my favs. You can always tell the folks that are longer in their spiratual walk with God. I loved getting the old school Christians esp on Sunday, they never complained, were very patient, praised generously, and tipped well.

[Kablooie]

45. Typical christians. Christianity is just a means for assholes to feel good about assholiness.

[redwitch]

46. I don't think that is true and it offends me.

nt

[Kablooie]

49. Sorry. Stating it as all Christians was wrong. Some people misuse Christianity in this way.

The Westboro Baptist church is a prime example.

[redwitch]

59. You are forgiven.

There are many CINO (Christian in name only) types but many are loving, kind, smart and truly love their fellow humans regardless of gender, creed etc. We all get lumped together and I have no wish to be remotely associated with the haters like Phelps.

:-)

[Kablooie]

64. Actually I know about kind Christians ...

My grandfather was an Episcopalian minister and during the depression every night invited homeless people in to join in his family dinner. My mom said it was very chaotic but was every day life for her family.

I just get frustrated with all the loudmouth jerks nowadays that use Christianity as a front to justify their own hate and greed.

[AnneD]

66. So do real Christians...

eom.

[Mopar151]

47. I've been talking to Vt. Parks Rangers for 30 years

The gist of what I heard: Church affiliated groups are, by a fair margin, the worst from their POV. Demanding, rude, cheap.... Our group (sports car club/hillclimb) is one of the better ones, because we are considerate to them, and take pains to leave the park cleaner than we found it. And we try to feed 'em and beer 'em at opprutune times. The hefty "special use permit" fees probably don't hurt, either. We've only had one ranger take a serious dislike to us in that time - I think we got him fired!

Backalong, we had a bad day. I'd had a big oil leak, we had 2 new cars totaled, another waiting for a tow. As I was sweeping up the last of the speedi-dri from my mess, I borrowed a shovel from a ranger, and apoligized for the mess. She said "Oh, That's OK. You guys don't crash much more than the tourists, and you bring your own wrecker!"

[Jenny_D]

63. Oh yeah!!! That's been my experience too!

As a teen back in the early '90s, I worked a minimum wage job at a state park for a couple of summers. We had a saying that we'd rather have every motorcycle gang on the planet descend on our park all at once, than have to endure one church group. This was not said tongue in cheek -- we meant it!

The motorcyclists, no matter how large the group, were ALWAYS polite, cleaned up after themselves, treated staff and other park guests with respect and consideration, and never raised a fuss about anything. In contrast, we had problems with almost every single church group that came through. Wild, undisciplined preteens would clog up toilets with whole rolls of toilet paper, and write their names in mustard on picnic tables. They would leave their garbage strewn across the ground next to an empty trash can. Adults in the group would demand discounts for anything and everything (which we didn't offer to anyone except senior citizens and small kids/babies) and would complain about EVERYTHING under the sun (including a lack of toilet paper in the restroom -- HA!). Other park guests would complain about their behavior (rowdy teens, proseltyzing, etc). They were like flocks of locusts who would consume everything and break everything in their path.

But back to the OP... if I'd been that server, I would have stepped over after their prayer and asked that man if he spoke to Jesus with that potty mouth. It would've been worth the loss of tips. }(

[rwheeler31]

52. Sounds of the Christian Idenity scum coming back to life.

[blueamy66]

53. Here's your hat...

there's the door.

[npk]

55. That's when I as the waiter have a hard time remembering their orders

If they order Fish with no garlic I bring them extra garlic. Fuck up their drink orders a few times. And over cook their meats.

[earth mom]

56. I hear ya! I was a waitress for 10 years and usually worked the sunday shift at most of my jobs.

All these years later I wonder why the hell I put up with the hypocrisy of so called "christians"! :puke:

[BrklynLiberal]

57. I would have pee'd in their soup...

[era veteran]

58. Here is one payback story will make everyone feel better

Ten years back I controlled beverage sales at a big convention type hotel. Once, during busy holiday catering season, we had a banquet room rented out to a local manufacturing company.A few minutes before legal closing time the asstard owner/ CEO had me paged and down to the room. He proceeded to tell me how his company spent $60,000. a year at our hotel and if I closed he would have my job and he would pull out his big bucks. well, 60 K is no little bit it still was a very small part of sales. I closed 5 minutes early, no last call, and since it was a private party the bartender pushed the portable bar out of the room. The redneck owner is in my waiting face bitching, getting me fired and so forth. Then he called me a motherfucker 8 times. I just smiled and left and went to work on his fat & quickly getting fatter 'open' bar bill. every motherfucker cost him $90.00 for the extra bottles of Stoly I made up. The previous 16 bottles of $90.00 bottles were already on the bill & earlier, when he had already shown his complete bastardness I poured $3.50 vodka into my empty Stoly bottles and charged him full price. The SOB came back the next year and I ripped him off again. I am usually honest in business but with this guy I wasn't. I hate a suck up kick down prick. So there I've admitted my unethical slip in the business world and feel better. Peace, Richard

[alarimer]

60. People who wear their religion on their sleeve are the biggest assholes on the planet.

The ones who always brag about how pious they are or how often they go to church or how much they donate are truly the worst people I have ever met.

They think because they are forgiven (in advance apparently!) think they can get away with anything. They use it as an excuse to do whatever they want. And they say atheists have no morals, when in fact atheists are MORE moral, by and large, because they know this life is the only chance they get.

[GoCubsGo]

62. When someone tells me they're a Christian...

...I say, "Thanks for the warning." I also avoid businesses that display the "Jeebus fish" in their ads or on their premises. They're usually the biggest crooks in town.

[rd_kent]

67. How about we just pay people better wages and stop tipping.