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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:30 AM
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Bayh, Conrad, Feinstein, Lieberman and Warner form national suicide pact
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Bayh, Conrad, Feinstein, Lieberman and Warner form national suicide pact
by: Chris Bowers
Tue Nov 10, 2009 at 23:30


Of all the various blocs and gangs that have been formed in Congress this year, Senators Bayh, Conrad, Feinstein, Lieberman and Warner have managed to form the most regressive one yet. Currently, these five Democrats are demanding that Speaker Pelosi hand over all relevant Congressional power to an independent commission that will be allowed to slash and partially privatize Social Security and Medicare, or else they will allow the United States to default on its debt.

I am not kidding:

Senators from both parties on Tuesday put new pressure on Speaker Nancy Pelosi to turn the power to trim entitlement benefits over to an independent commission.

Seven members of the Senate Budget Committee threatened during a Tuesday hearing to withhold their support for critical legislation to raise the debt ceiling if the bill calling for the creation of a bipartisan fiscal reform commission were not attached. (...)

(...) Congress is under pressure to raise the cap on what the federal government can borrow by mid-December. If the debt ceiling is not raised above its current $12.1 trillion mark by then, the government will exceed its borrowing limits and will be forced to default on the debt. Economists have warned that the inevitable result would be a lowering of the U.S. credit rating, triggering substantial increases in the interest rates the government is already paying.

But before Tuesday's hearing was over, Sens. Conrad, Gregg, Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Mark Warner (D-Va.), Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), George Voinovich (R-Ohio) and Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) publicly vowed to vote against raising the debt ceiling if a budget reform commission bill doesn't come along with it.


The Republican threats don't matter, since only Democrats are needed to pass the bill.

Let's review the threat that these five Democrats are making:

* They will allow the United States to default on its debt, which will vastly increase the overall amount we have to pay on our debt

UNLESS

* Speaker Nancy Pelosi turns over Congressional power on Social Security and Medicare to an unelected commission that will almost certainly propose deep cuts in Social Security and Medicare entitlements. Keep in mind that if deep cuts to Social Security and Medicare pass under a Democratic trifecta, the party would be doomed at the ballot box for years to come.


This is completely insane, and there is no choice but to call this bluff.

Let's see these five Democratic Senators explain to the entire nation why they allowed the country to default on its debt.
No matter how safe their seats appear to be, no Senator is going to win reelection after making the entire country default on its debt Their rationale does not matter. Being blamed for making the country default on its debt-especially after all five of these Democrats voted in favor of the Wall Street bailout and are demanding that Social Security and Medicare be cut-will be the effective end of their political careers.

Go for it, guys. Form your national suicide pact. Tell the country that you are demanding deep cuts in Social Security and Medicare, or else you will personally cause the United States debt to double. Let's see how well that message plays on the air.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:34 AM
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1. I don't think that the House CAN, legally, turn over it's fiduciary
responsibility.

Isn't their primacy in financial matters a Constitutional thing?
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 09:02 AM
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9. YEp!
The House cannot simply cede control of spending to a "panel". Regardless of how any member voted, this issue would quickly find itself in the Supreme Court.
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cark Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:04 PM
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14. Fiduciary Duty????? Hahahahahaha
Since when has our congress taken their fiduciary duty seriously? Look at our debt.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:16 PM
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16. The lion's share of National Debt was incurred under GOP presidents.
It's a good bet you know that.



We the People Need Jubilee: Lion's Share of the National Debt Incurred under GOP Pretzeldents

While the chart doesn't have this and the last couple of years' steaming heap of debt, please don't blame Obama for the two illegal, immoral and unnecessary wars and the $24 Trillion Wall Street bailout created by George Walker Bush, scion of the military industrial complex.

PS: Welcome to DU, cark!
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cark Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:38 PM
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25. Pretending it is just the GOP is counterproductive
Why don't you add whom controlled the House to your graph, since that is where all spending bills originate. Lack of fiscal disiple knows no party boundaries. Giving all the credit or blame to the president also ignores all of the other ecomonic forces, which IMO are more important than who controls the white house. For example what do you think 2009-2012 will look like on your graph? We need to be realistic and not lose our objectivity.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:24 PM
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21. No kidding... frickin Borrow and Spend repukes.
:puke:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:37 AM
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2. K&R
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:39 AM
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3. would allowing the US to default on it debt be a risk to national security?
and if so, why couldn't these people be arrested for making terror-istic statements/acts?
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:57 AM
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4. Lieberman isn't a dem.
And, they won't do it, because it would ALSO crimp their ability to fund their wars. And this group is among the most war mongering of anyone on "our" side.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 07:08 AM
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5. Since when do Senators tell the Speaker of the House what to do?
F-ck the Blue Dogs and the Pink Elephant they rode into town on.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 07:13 AM
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6. This takes some gall; I don't imagine Pelosi will be too impressed. nt
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:26 PM
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22. Maybe this time we should be thankful for her ability
to dig her heels in. At least I hope she does.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 08:35 AM
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7. More Oligarchs expose themselves... n/t
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 08:37 AM
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8. And look at the cast of characters! nt.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 09:21 AM
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10. What The Fuck!?!
:grr:
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:21 PM
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18. +1
Exactly.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:26 PM
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11. Yet many of these of these same senators...

push for all the funding required for war, which is increasing our debt faster than anything else. Sounds like it's time for them to go.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:27 PM
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12. Too bad the subject line is a metaphor.
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GrantDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:45 PM
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26. .
:spray:
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:30 PM
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13. This is sad
Democrats really do want to lose the majority next year, don't they?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:06 PM
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15. I hate Feinstein so much. nt
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:23 PM
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20. She jumped the shark after opening Pier 39 in SF wearing a bikini
while she was still mayor, she lost a bet that it wouldn't be completed on time.

It's been a long, slow, painful slide downhill from there. :eyes:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:28 PM
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23. I'm glad I missed that.
Somehow the thought of DiFi in a bikini makes me want to gouge my eyes out.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:33 PM
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24. This was many years ago
back then, she was considered something of a political hottie.

Then again, so is Sarah Palin. :eyes:
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buchols Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:19 PM
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17. Call their bluff
I don't understand why Dems will never just call the opposition's bluff. Put it on the table, let them do it!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:23 PM
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19. WTF is wrong with those people?
We have to get rid of these assholes. Seriously.

Dem voters in their states simply must vote for a primary challenger.
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