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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:10 AM
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Wow, was yesterday's Supreme Court decision a wake up call
as to how dangerous it is to have a court slanted so far to the right....Excellent editorial by the New York Times....

Editorial
Denying the Right to Choose

Published: April 19, 2007
Among the major flaws in yesterday’s Supreme Court decision giving the federal government power to limit a woman’s right to make decisions about her health was its fundamental dishonesty.

Under the modest-sounding guise of following existing precedent, the majority opinion — written by Justice Anthony Kennedy and joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas, Antonin Scalia and Samuel Alito — gutted a host of thoughtful lower federal court rulings, not to mention past Supreme Court rulings.

It severely eroded the constitutional respect and protection accorded to women and the personal decisions they make about pregnancy and childbirth. The justices went so far as to eviscerate the crucial requirement, which dates to the 1973 ruling in Roe v. Wade, that all abortion regulations must have an exception to protect a woman’s health.

As far as we know, Mr. Kennedy and his four colleagues responsible for this atrocious result are not doctors. Yet these five male justices felt free to override the weight of medical evidence presented during the several trials that preceded the Supreme Court showdown. Instead, they ratified the politically based and dangerously dubious Congressional claim that criminalizing the intact dilation and extraction method of abortion in the second trimester of pregnancy — the so-called partial-birth method — would never pose a significant health risk to a woman. In fact, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists has found the procedure to be medically necessary in certain cases.

Justice Kennedy actually reasoned that banning the procedure was good for women in that it would protect them from a procedure they might not fully understand in advance and would probably come to regret. This way of thinking, that women are flighty creatures who must be protected by men, reflects notions of a woman’s place in the family and under the Constitution that have long been discredited, said a powerful dissenting opinion by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, joined by Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter and Stephen Breyer.

Far from being compelled by the court’s precedents, Justice Ginsburg aptly objected, the new ruling is so at odds with its jurisprudence — including a concurring opinion by Justice Sandra Day O’Connor (who has now been succeeded by Justice Alito) when a remarkably similar state abortion ban was struck down just seven years ago — that it should not have staying power.

For anti-abortion activists, this case has never been about just one controversial procedure. They have correctly seen it as a wedge that could ultimately be used to undermine and perhaps eliminate abortion rights eventually. The court has handed the Bush administration and other opponents of women’s reproductive rights the big political victory they were hoping to get from the conservative judges Mr. Bush has added to the bench. It comes at a real cost to the court’s credibility, its integrity and the rule of law.

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:11 AM
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1. Ok, so we don't like the decision. And our elected Dem leadership who voted for the bill?
Why do they get a pass?
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:43 AM
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7. What Dems voted for it? nt
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:10 AM
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9. Here's the Senate roll call
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:52 AM
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14. Many thanks. It was quite a "who's who" voting Yea.
And John Edwards ducked the vote.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:59 AM
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17. I never realized Leahy voted for it
That's pretty disappointing.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:05 AM
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19. Indeed. And this quote from Harry Reid yesterday is a gem:
"I would only say that this is the only decision a lot of us wish that Alito weren't there and O'Connor were there."

Uh, yeah. Can we vote on that, Harry?
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:14 AM
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24. He said "a lot of us" - not "me" The "only" decision??? Century's still young!
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 10:15 AM by The Count
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:23 AM
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30. So did Kerry
Interesting what political high hopes can do to ones' principles, isn't it?
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:15 AM
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12. And here's the House:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:11 AM
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2. Well, maybe the anti-death penalty people can turn this lemon into lemonade
What's good for the fetus is good for the grizzled old murderer, I say....

That said, Ginsberg was right. This decision is hideous because it fucks, plainly, with rock-solid precedent.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:19 AM
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29. It not only fucks precedent.
It fucks women. And the fucks who pushed this will never see the hypocrisy of saving fetus' while killing murderers, becasue they obviously don't give a fuck about killing women whose lives might otherwise be saved by this procedure. I don't normally swear, but "fuck" really feels like the most appropriate word to describe all aspects of this ruling.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 03:28 PM
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41. Well, your argument, while completely justified, won't resonate with those baaastids.
Because, save Ruth, they're all men, and the unfortunate majority of them would be happy if women went back to being property. And, when Clarence is out of the room, they probably say the same thing about his misogynistic ass, the bums.

The only hope is getting their asses on 'rock solid precedent' and accusing them of 'legislating from the bench'--which is one of their favorite whines.

Hey, there have been other hideous rulings that have been reversed. This is an offensive ruling, and it can't stand.
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:21 AM
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3. I don't know why anyone should be surprised
Americans should revolt
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Little Wing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:22 AM
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4. what happened to state's rights?
eh, Scalia?
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PinkyisBlue Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:18 PM
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42. State's rights ended in 2000, in the case of "Bush vs. Gore."
The Supreme Court knows what's best for all of us.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:27 AM
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5. I'm looking for a link to Justice Ginsgurg's dissenting statement
Edited on Thu Apr-19-07 08:31 AM by me b zola
The little of it that I heard is powerful and I would like to read the rest.

on edit, I found the link :) :

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/search/display.html?terms=April%2018%2C%202007&url=/supct/html/05-380.ZD.html
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 08:32 AM
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6. I always emphasized the 04 Election
was all about the Supreme Court. Now you know why....I hope it is a wake-up call for all Americans.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:17 AM
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13. The Democratic Party dropped the ball in '04
That is exactly when it happened. 2008 will be a very important election in the long term.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:12 AM
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23. Should have been about the war - if not for the squeamish candidates. Won anyway.
Your point is moot - as the election was won, stolen - and this fact is still kept mum by the camdidates we voted for.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:50 PM
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43. Amen! Those who claimed there was no difference between Kerry and Bush
obviously weren't considering the Supreme Court! Hopefully, this decision will wake people up!
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:02 AM
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8. Not that I think the SC would ever make a ruling with political
considerations rather than legal considerations, but I think it is curious that this ruling came down when every talking head in the country was going on about the VT shooter. I don't think I've heard a single TV news story about it.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 12:02 PM
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39. It's on page one in NYT today. But yesterday, only NARAL's statement
I was wondering myself if it actually happened.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:11 AM
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10. But...But...Edwards Hair! Over here! Look at the expensive hair!
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:12 AM
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11. lol sad but true.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:54 AM
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15. but but but John Edwards had a chance to vote against the bill, and didn't!
$400 haircut -- irrelevant.

Abstaining on that bill -- highly relevant.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:11 AM
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22. But he DID VOTE for the bankruptcy bill - creating a base to pander to!
How clever is that? Make the poor then get their votes by talking big!
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 09:59 AM
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16. Is there any way of getting them out?
Looking ahead to 2009 and assuming a Dem goes to teh Whitehouse, is there any way of removing the worst of them? I know they're given lifetime tenure but is there any exception for removing judges?

I still think giving the president the power to nominate judges is flawed from the outset.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:04 AM
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18. We're too late. With Roberts' and Alito's confirmation, the dye was cast on abortion rights
And why did the Dem Senators give up their right to filibuster again? They KNEW this was going to be the result of not fighting their nominations. This is the start of a slippery slope folks as a woman's right to control her reproductive decisions is slowly eroded by this court.

:cry:
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:09 AM
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21. There was a nascent fillibuster on that - a group of traitors under Joementum
preempted that. Anyone still has that list?
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:08 AM
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20. From the roll calls - everyone running/considering - ducked the vote: Edwards.
Kerry, Gephardt, Biden - way to show courage guys!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:21 AM
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25. Edwards: "Could not disagree more strongly with today's Supreme Court decision" on abortion
Edwards Statement On Supreme Court Ruling On Federal Abortion Ban
John Edwards for President

Apr 18, 2007
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Chapel Hill, North Carolina – Senator John Edwards released the following statement about today's 5-4 Supreme Court ruling upholding the federal abortion ban.

"I could not disagree more strongly with today's Supreme Court decision. The ban upheld by the Court is an ill-considered and sweeping prohibition that does not even take account for serious threats to the health of individual women. This hard right turn is a stark reminder of why Democrats cannot afford to lose the 2008 election. Too much is at stake - starting with, as the Court made all too clear today, a woman's right to choose."
http://johnedwards.com/news/press-releases/200700418-federal-ban/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3223703&mesg_id=3223703
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:23 AM
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26. "... but I chose to abstain when the bill came up for a vote. I had other priorities."
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:59 AM
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28. Please don't use quotes around non-quotes. (nt)
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:32 AM
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33. True. Actions speak without quotes. Lieberman voted against it!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:34 AM
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34. It was clear to you and everyone reading my subject line that it was parody.
No malice intended, none taken.

Pardon me if I don't change my style.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:25 AM
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31. and so did John Kerry nt
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:34 AM
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35. And Gephardt, and Biden. Yup. All candidates. Except - amazingly - Joementum!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:34 AM
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36. Not to mention those Democrats who vote Yea. DISGUSTING!
I have no use for any of them.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:36 AM
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37. Hear! hear! My brain still hurts from Leahy!
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 01:43 PM
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40. To be fair, Kerry had just had his prostate removed
I'm not sure if he had returned to the Senate when that vote came around.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:31 AM
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32. The only way I would have disagreed more was vote against it - EVEN JOEMENTUM!
who was also running, had more courage than Edwards! Ponder on that one! Joementum had voted against it!
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=108&session=1&vote=00051
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 10:31 AM
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27. So wait, it's banned in the second trimester. Is it banned in the 3rd as well? n/t
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-19-07 11:37 AM
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38. I would assume it's implied.
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