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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:14 PM
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So Carrie Prejean has a sex tape, what law did she violate?
She was underage and sent the video tape to her boyfriend. If a guy had done this...
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:16 PM
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1. If?
:D
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:16 PM
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2. She didn't break any laws, but shes a hypocrite for criticizing others for their...
sexual preferences.
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:28 PM
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20. Exactly!!! n/t
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:07 PM
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33. You are entitled to your opinion - why isn't she?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:03 AM
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47. Because her opinion is that gays are not acceptable.
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 06:05 AM by TexasObserver
Your comment suggests because everyone is entitled to have an opinion that such opinion has validity or should not be condemned.

She should be condemned for her opinion and the things she has said about gays and gay marriage.

She should be condemned for her hypocrisy.

She should not be condemned for the mild sex tape she made of herself. But she shouldn't be excused by the "you are entitled to your opinion - why isn't she" meme.
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:56 AM
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39. Huh?
Posing for provocative pictures has nothing to do with sexual preference so there's no hypocrisy there in terms of her not being for gay marriage.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:17 PM
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Title 18 > Part 1 > Chapter 110 > Section 2257
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 08:34 PM by blogslut
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:24 PM
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14. Well, that was a pretty specific response!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:26 PM
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17. I work in the business
We take this shit damned seriously. I know that bit of law like the back of my hand.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:13 PM
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29. i've investigated similar cases
and i agree.

i've never seen one prosecuted, but it is TECHNICALLY against the law to produce or disseminate child porn, even if you make it yourself and send it to your boyfriend.

in my state, two 15 yr olds can have sex and that's totally legal.

but they can't film it and send it to their friends
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:30 PM
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21. LOL. Nothing like serving up the answer.
:)
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:14 AM
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48. Well, all righty then. That answers that. Next question?
:evilgrin:
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:39 PM
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52. Would it be correct to assume that specific section/law was a result of the Traci Lords situation?
Though I didn't see the words "age" or "birthdate" specifically mentioned in the code, that would be the obvious implications.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:52 PM
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55. Yes
The Record-Keeping section was added to the code because of her. The age definitions are in Chapter 2256:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00002256----000-.html

Incidentally, at that time, checking IDs was common practice for adult producers. Ms. Lords had a fake ID. I fully support the age and record-keeping requirements and am glad they were standardized by law. However, the Ashcroft/Gonzales USAG attempted to amend the record-keeping requirements in such a way that the performer's real identities & addresses would be available to anyone as well as categorize that anyone who so much as links to an adult image would be legally deemed a primary producer. Our industry got an injunction against those amendments but the Adam Walsh law (HR 4472) reversed parts of that injunction. As a result, anyone that links to adult content is considered a primary producer of that content and must therefore keep model documentation on file or be subject to fines and jail time.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:17 PM
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3. First off, it's the hypocrisy. Second off, it may not be a 'boyfriend' tape. She may be lying about
that. Third off, she has used her name and image to try to suppress others from having full legal and civil rights and equal protection under the law.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:17 PM
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4. dupe
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 08:17 PM by Hissyspit
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:17 PM
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5. She violated the laws of hypocrisy.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:22 PM
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11. This one falls into the WORST OF WIVES CATEGORY.....Who would wanna marry that attention whore?
Trophy wife material? Hardly...

Vanity Wife...??? Yup....
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Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:26 PM
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18. That and she's a snippity little shit too. I'm not against her for her
answer to the gay question; I'm against her because she's a total joke. In my opinion she shouldn't have been asked that question in the first place but she did answer it honestly so I can't blame her for that. It's what she's shown us as just how shallow she really is that bothers me. If she'd just go away, that would make me happy.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:19 PM
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36. I blame Perez Hilton
If he hadn't gone ballistic on her on his blog (trying to make a name for his mostly-unknown self) we would never have heard of her.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:20 AM
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42. oh please--that stupid contest was televised--so it wasn't like her answer was unheard by anyone
actually watching that nonsense.

why blame perez for her terminal stupidity? he certainly didn't cause it--and there is no law against him exposing it once she opened her mouth.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:24 PM
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50. The viewership for beauty pageants has declined rapidly over the last few decades
Even this one had the lowest viewing ever, it averaged 5 million viewers, per preliminary Nielsen estimates (from the next day), down a fairly standard 12 percent from last year, and a pretty steep 32 percent from 2007.

Source: http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b119602_miss_usa_scores_controversy_not_ratings.html

It wasn't her remarks that generated controversy, it was the "see who can play the bigger victim" contest that Hilton generated by calling her a dumb bitch on his website. Had he not done that, she would have faded into obscurity as an also-ran.

For bonus points, who was the actual winner? No fair Googling it up. See, nobody else remembers, either. And nobody who remembers the second place runner up, even in most Olympic events, where actual skill is needed to win.

No, no law against his rant, but it was clearly calculated to boost his own Q score, and he certainly didn't care that he created one for her in the process. They pushed off of each other to make a phony controversy to keep their own names in the news for more than one night. In order to become a familiar figure (I had never heard of him before this silly bimbo parade) he was willing to give her a platform to whine in front of fundies that she was being picked on for phony beliefs that she theoretically espoused in order to try to sound mainstream.

Now, with her sex tape, it's all blown up in the fundie faces, and I guess the last laugh is on them.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:18 PM
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6. The whole "sexting" kerfuffle is wingnut hysteria, indicative of the fact . . .
That these jerks a) were never young and b) never grew up either. Not sure where that leaves them, but it can't be a happy place.

With regard to Miss Brainless Hypocrite Tool 2008, do we know that she was literally underage? She said she was "a teenager," which could be anything from 13 to 19.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:18 PM
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7. sometimes when a girl is pretty
they don't want to be mean and treat her like criminal. I'm just saying that if a dude had sent a tape of him masturbating to his girlfriend (underage) how would he have been treated, if he had been caught?
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:20 PM
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10. does anyone know what state
and was it sent over the internet, phone?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:25 PM
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16. It doesn't matter
Title 18/2257 applies to the internet, cellphone networks as well as print, film and items sent through the mail. Ultimately, she produced or was a performer in an adult film - with no contract and was reportedly under the age of 18 when it was made. In my business, that shit puts your ass in jail.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:18 PM
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8. Well she thinks gays shouldn't be married because the Bible tells her so. The Bible doesn't approve
of pre-marital fingering of her vagina for her bf either.



She's a hypocrite.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:19 PM
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9. The law of
don't set yourself up as a RW moral beacon if you know there is a sex tape in your past.
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:22 PM
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12. If it was California this is the code
311.2(D) DISTRIBUTE OBSCENE MATTER OF MINOR TO MINOR
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:31 PM
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22. US law trumps state law
Look here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6985707&mesg_id=6985738

I'm not saying she couldn't also be prosecuted under the CA law. I haven't read that one so I have no opinion. However, the USAG could most definitely go after her for violating TITLE18/2257.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:23 PM
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13. Hypocrisy
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 08:26 PM by Raine
which I remember learning in Sunday school is a violation of God's moral law and since she claims moral superiority to others and is supposedly a Christian .... :yoiks:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:24 PM
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15. Nobody said she broke any laws
She did, however, set herself up as the arbiter of "Biblical Morality", conduit of "God's Word" and judge of who should and should not have marriage rights based on alleged violations of "Christian Values". Meanwhile she's flaunting her fake boobs in semi-nude photos and doing graphic sex videos. That makes her a hypocrite of the highest order.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:28 PM
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19. She violated her contract.
She swore that there was no such material out there.
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kayakjohnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:31 PM
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23. Saw her on Hannity and thought,
"Now why would a girl with such pretty blonde hair dye her roots brown like that?"
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:33 PM
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24. Miss California contract - no nude pics/videos in your past. This was not a criminal
complaint, it was a contractual dispute. She lost.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:34 PM
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25. She violated the laws of karma by having prejudicialized others while
overlooking her own behavior. Prejudicalized is not a word btw.
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kayakjohnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:07 PM
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27. No, but it should be.
Has a nice official ring to it, huh?
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 05:43 AM
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46. Methinks so. n/t
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:35 PM
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26. The law of averages.
She knows all the shit she may have done. She should have known it would come back to bite her on the ass.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:10 PM
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28. She didn't violate any laws that I know of. What she did violate was
that squeaky clean image she tries to project.

I don't give a fig if she did 20 sex tapes. But when she tries to come off as holier-than-thou, and then the news of this tape comes out, I'm disgusted.

But then, she's just being a typical rightie.

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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:17 PM
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30. +1
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:20 PM
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31. How do you know she's being a typical rightie?
Did you see which hand she used on the video?
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:24 PM
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32. LOL
:rofl:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:08 AM
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40. ROFL, Berry!
Damned near spewed Pepsi all over the keyboard!

:rofl:

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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:08 PM
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34. You never did anything stupid in your youth?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:11 AM
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41. Sure I did. But Prejean is a walking, talking hipocrite, and continues
to be so after news of the tape came out.

Again, I don't give a flying fig that she did the tape. I wouldn't care if she did 20 tapes.

What galls me is that she continues playing the victim, and claiming she IS a victim because she's such a squeaky clean little lady.

That's bullshit.

And THAT's what pisses me off.

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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:17 PM
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35. I don't seem to recall her being possibly charged
with a violation of law. All we've done is laugh at her for being a hypocritical bimbo, who sucks her support from the fundies, while simultaneously mocking all of their supposed 'values'.

Hmmm, I guess we're laughing at them, too!
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:54 PM
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37. she was underage? Isn't that distribution of child porn?
I can't remember where, but wasn't there a case of young high school girls sending nude pictures to their boyfriends on their cell phones, getting charged with distributing child porn?
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:59 PM
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38. Being underage, she violated child porn laws.
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:10 AM
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43. My guess, another lie
I'm guessing she said 17 just to stop it from being posted online. She lied about the photos when they came out, she's got no credibility.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:34 PM
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51. I agree with you about her "I was under age" ruse
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:39 AM
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44. the laws of common sense
this is like, say, a man filming himself doing a hamburger

...and he's a fast-food chain exec
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:48 PM
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54. That was my very first thought, as well.
You must be brilliant?
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:58 AM
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45. Don't know about laws, but she broke the pageant's rules
Contestants are asked if they have ever posed nude or have 'anything out there' that might destroy the image the pageant wants to project. She said no on the forms.

After the controversy over her remarks about gays, when they were considering whether to remove her crown or not, Donald Trump and the Pageant organizers decided she had not done anything wrong. Trump stood by her (he's not going to like what she said in her book about him)

Then some nude photos surfaced and they fired her.

Then she sued them claiming she was wrongfully fired.

Now suddenly this tape shows up and she has dropped her lawsuit. It looks like someone sent the tape to the pageants organizers after she filed her suit. It definitely makes he claims of not having violated the rules not very credible.

No one knows who provided the tape or why but it did ruin her case.

Aside from the rules violations, in her book she lectures people about 'morality' and 'our culture'.

More and more she is looking like a phony and a liar and a hypocrite to many people.

She has a book out, so she won't be disappearing from the media anytime soon.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 06:14 AM
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49. She's a fugging hypocrite
Next!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:45 PM
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53. That's her claim, and tell me why all of a sudden you believe her?
She's incapable of telling the truth...she posed for the photos for money, she made the tape for money...but apparently she throws the victim card and blames a man and all of a sudden she's believable?
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