Stupak, member of WA insider secret nut case religious group: "The FAMILY."

[BeHereNow]

I just posted this to another thread and on reflection, think it worthy of its own posting.

Take a walk back in time with me DUers, old and new.
Remember the 2003 Harpers expose on THE FAMILY, by Jeffrey Sharlet?

I think it is time we revisited it.
What happened to SECULAR government?
Separation of church and state?

Read this 2003 listing of some members carefully; and then read the article in all its horrifying reality.

"Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities."

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525

They hope we forget, we don't. Not all of us.

BHN

[gateley]

1. Whoa. Of course. We should have realized that immediately.

By the way, I recall that The Family had picked up stakes and moved to another location after they recently received so much attention. So, the frat house is located elsewhere, I guess. Do we have any info on that?

[global1]

8. Someone Should Follow These Guys To The New Location And Then......

keep that location under surveillance. That's probably what happened to cause them to move from C-Street. We need to know who comes and goes from their "Family" home. Then we need to vote all these "Family" members out of office.

[BeHereNow]

9. People need to know about them before we can vote them out...

So yes, I agree- More investigative journalists nned to report on them.
I wish we had a Jeremy Scahill dogging these kooks.

They are quite secretive, and like their corporate counterparts and buddies,
disguise their agenda and workings through a web of front groups.

BHN

[gateley]

10. If I lived there I'd volunteer. nt

[villager]

2. Yet a cadre of DUers have been rushing to his defense here...

Odd indeed. "Family" friendly "board members?"

[saracat]

3. Notice that did ya? But of course to notice is to be a "hater"!

[BeHereNow]

6. Hater! Hater! Hater!

How dare you point this out!
HATER!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:hug: :loveya:

BHN

[blm]

4. yes...probably the same ones from primary wars....

HRC joined back in 1993 and stayed with them even when she became a senator. She wrote admirably of Doug Coe as her mentor in her 2003 book. Just another reason why some of us don't trust this and her other close associations with fascists (Bushes).

[BeHereNow]

5. Wouldn't surprise me...

In fact, I would suspect it more than probable, but possibly a mix of those types along
with just plain ignorant people who have only recently come to political awareness?
Not every one has been following as intently or as long as certain DU members.

I do wish the ignorant would simply take the time to READ some
of what we offer though...

BHN

[BeHereNow]

7. Kicking, because so many need to know and comprehend

the depth of depravity in Washington DC.
BHN

[ipaint]

11. Rachel did another good piece last night on the connections.

"Christian power nexus in action"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/

[annabanana]

12. I can't tell you how glad I am that Rachel is staying on this.

This nest of vipers has to be exposed and run out of town. Their doctrine is a perversion.

[BeHereNow]

14. Exactly- They are a cult, holding positions in our federal government-

all three branches are infested with these kooks.
They ignore the constitution, believing themselves to be chosen
to rule by GAWD.... They are not like us, they consider themselves, "chosen."

BHN

[newspeak]

48. don't forget

because they are CHOSEN, they pretty much can get away with anything. All you gotta do is look at poor King David-how he sinned, but he was still the chosen of God. Nope, the supreme sky god does not forsake his chosen. So, I guess that means you can screw as many women as you can, murder as many people, steal, lie--as long as you are chosen.

[BeHereNow]

13. Has she ever had Sharlet on her show? She REALLY should.

He is probably, along with Katherine Yurica, the foremost authority on
these Moonies.
And yes, I consider them a cult.
A very dangerous cult ,when you consider
their positions of power in all three branches of government.

BHN

[ipaint]

18. She's done numerous segments and he is on every time.

She tells the same truth you are.

[BeHereNow]

19. Great news! I CAN'T watch network TV- at all. The commercials make me a wreck.

I am so happy to hear she is exposing these kooks in our government!
Thanks for the information-
Maybe I can find some clips without commercials of her interviewing him.
I'd be very interested to see what the networks allow him to, and NOT say.
BHN

[ipaint]

21. Another fellow commercial hater!

I don't watch tv and only watch online so I can control the commercials. I mute them online and don't watch the video until they are finished.


Sharlet said that stupak "isn't the brightest bulb on the porch" and the real power behind this amendment is pitts who has been a hardcore member of the family since the 70's. He (pitts) has a laundry list of anti women policies he has pushed through in his years in congress and is most dangerous.


Ensign recently moved out because of the attention his scummy behavior has brought to "the Family".

Rachel also goes into the fact that there are at least 8 active members of the family that voted for the amendment. She names them.

[BeHereNow]

23. Link to the segment? Any of them on Sharlets list from 2003?

We know Stupak is on it, I wonder who else.
We need to get rid of these people. NOW!!!!

BHN

[ipaint]

24. See post 11 for link and segment title.

[ipaint]

26. Rachel mentions most of those sharlet did in 2003. n/t

[MagickMuffin]

27. Check out Rachel's site, lots of clips can be viewed there

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show

So far Rachel is the ONLY one reporting on and about the "family" and she does a good job along with Jeffrey Sharlet.

[BeHereNow]

30. Thanks- just watched one that a newbie graciously showed me...

Can't believe the network mafia allowed it to air!!!

BHN

[Shallah Kali]

34. Link to some transcripts of his appearances on Maddow's show

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=rO3&num=20&q=Jeff+Sharlet+site%3Amsnbc.msn.com+-%22guest+list%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

also his personal site w/links to many of his articles on The Family
http://jeffsharlet.com/content/articles/

his appearance on The Daily Show http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-august-12-2009/jeff-sharlet

Interview on Democracy Now http://www.democracynow.org/2009/8/12/sharlet

Excerpts of his Book on Google: http://books.google.com/books?id=NVmcx-8zdGEC

[Bozita]

15. Stupak is holding a townhall in Escanaba, MI tomorrow

details:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6979368&mesg_id=6979368

[BeHereNow]

16. People need to confront him on his "Family" cult affiliation...

I'll post a link to this thread on that one!

BHN

[BeHereNow]

17. Gee, where ARE the Stupak cheerleaders on this thread? Facts too much for them?

They are strangely silent on this thread, or is it my imagination?
No defense for defending a cult member in government?

Yeah, that would be hard to defend, wouldn't it?

Sorry to rain on your pom-poms, idiots.

BHN

[Autumn]

20. Whoa that is scary and

and I've only read the first page. How can any one believe they can “meet Jesus man to man.” thanks for that link. I plan on doing some reading later.

[BeHereNow]

22. Yes, to think they hold government positions IS scary, but it explains a great deal.

A mix of corporate wealth and the gospel of only the wealthy are fit to make decisions
IS a scary proposition.
Better known as FASCISM wrapped in a bible and a flag.

BHN

[depakid]

25. So who's going to primary the fundie?

[malaise]

28. K&R

to expose the real FAMILY values.

[wordpix]

29. is he having an affair and getting counseling there, too?

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Not surprised. Sharlet also wrote a book on the subject; excellent read.

http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secret-Fundamentalism-Heart-American/dp/0060560053

12 Steppers may (or may not) be interested in "The Family"'s historical connections to, among other things, "moral re-armament" and the so-called "Oxford Group". :hide:

[Kaleva]

32. They also killed JFK, MLK,and Bobby Kennedy.

The evidence is there for those who aren't blind to see it.

[BeHereNow]

33. Links? Or are you just being a CT accuser?

Hard to tell with so many disrupters on DU these days-
I'd appreciate knowing the motive behind your post on this thread.
If no answer, I will assume you are another cowardly keyboard warrior with an agenda
that has no relationship to the seriousness of the topic.
BHN

[Kaleva]

41. I give this topic the seriousness it deserves.

[BeHereNow]

43. Well, that certainly is cryptic...

But telling in such.

Thanks, I now know where to file you.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

46. No reply, eh? Well it doesn't matter NOW!

See, I can't hear you now...
Thanks for clarifying your motives, I'll no longer be bothered with your posts.
BHN

[nashville_brook]

50. excellent example of the irrationality this internecine culture war has created.

[bullwinkle428]

35. When the concept of "Christian Sharia Law" as a goal of people

like this is brought up and discussed at DU to the inevitable howls of protest by a few, those protesters need to realize exactly the kind of shit that is taking place within the "halls of power".

[BeHereNow]

37. But that would require some READING...

Knee jerk posters don't have time to research.
They just post crap all day without backing anything up.

This is why my ignore list has been activated again.
I don't have time for "True Believers" from either party.

The shit is just too serious to waste your breath on fools at this point.

BHN

[Shallah Kali]

36. A listing of The Family's records at Wheaton - anything less than 25yrs is sealed

http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/GUIDES/459.htm

[BeHereNow]

38. Oh thanks! That was brought to DU back in the old days! Thanks for adding it to this thread!

I'd forgotten all about it.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

39. Delete (dupe glitch)

bhn

[Mari333]

40. yeah, I posted this the other day

it was ignored. everyone was shooting off fireworks for him, so , it was ignored. Hes a pig, and a dominionist. and an asshole.

[BeHereNow]

42. Thanks Mari- we need to KEEP posting it over and over...

I missed your post on it, but immediately remembered the 2003 article when Stupak came up.

If nothing else, it sure shuts his asshole defenders up on DU, no?

:hug: :yourock: :loveya:

BHN

[Mari333]

44. they seem to still justify him

twist themselves into pretzels to justify him. hes a dem after all, he can do no wrong, you know. dems should not be criticized, they are gods after all. :)

[BeHereNow]

45. Be thankful, it makes them easier to file in your "ignore" list.

Mine just keeps GROWING!!!!
BWAHAAAAAAA!

I love the ignore feature at this time.
SO many idiots, so little time to deal with them.
"ignore" is brilliant.

You can focus on what MATTERS when "ignore" is activated...

I haven't used it in years, but I am SO glad it
is an option at this particular time in DU history.

BHN

[Mari333]

47. I never used ignore so much during the Bush years

but now Im arguiing with Dems online on DU about justifying illegal wars...wtf is with that????? I came here to get away from warmongers, and whoop , here they are..

I was looking the other day for a Progressive anti war forum...like we used to be..I miss those days on DU, truly.

[BeHereNow]

49. WTF is that indeed... I am simply no longer going to engage with "morans" on DU

That is why the "ignore" feature is such a blessing these days.

I highly recommend it, your blood pressure will drop immediately.

BHN

[pleah]

51. We have to get these crazy assholes out of office. n/t

[MarcMus]

52. News coverage

Meg on BuzzFlash wrote a great article about exactly this debate.

http://blog.buzzflash.com/analysis/941

[ohheckyeah]

53. I started reading

The Family last night.

I think these people are kooks, but unfortunately they are powerful kooks.