Anyone had their drivers license scanned at Loaf & Jug

[Autumn]

when buying beer or cigarettes? I had that happen today and was wondering if that is just a local store or something new they are doing. I paid with cash and afterwards was a little concerned that I had complied. Not sure what all they can extract from the strip, but was worried about my SSN.

[rd_kent]

1. Did you ask why they are doing that?

[Autumn]

7. Yes. She said she can't complete the

sale without scanning the license.

[rd_kent]

23. What if the license or ID did not have a mag strip?

I would have asked her what law states I must submit my personal info to buy booze? All that is required is for the clerk to verify the age of the purchaser.

[Statistical]

50. None. however no state law requires the merchant to sell you ANYTHING*

Note ANYTHING includes booze.

It isn't a state law thing it is a store policy thing. Clerks can and do lie about verifying age. Scanning card provides proof for store that age was verified. Store less likely to get hasseled by state compliance office.

[rd_kent]

51. You are right about that. Not sure I would allow my ID to be swiped for beer though.

[Statistical]

53. Well that is when you use the almighty dollar vote.

If another consumers feels the same way -> store loses business -> shareholders get pissed -> store changes policy.

However I know in Virginia ABC fines can be massive even for first offense. Multiple offenses and store loses their license.
How long before a convenience store that can't sell beer or cigs goes bankrupt.

If the swipe keeps clerks honest then it likely saves the store millions in fines.

[boppers]

2. One: don't put your SSN on your license.

Two: Yes, carding people is normal in many locations in the US, to comply with minimum age laws. Card scanners speed the process up and cut down on forgeries.
Three: What's a Loaf and Jug?

[DearAbby]

3. Gas and convenience stores.....nt

[Autumn]

5. A convenience store.

Much like a Quick Stop or 7 11. My SSN isn't on the license itself, I was wondering about the strip on the back, if maybe the info was there.

[Harry Monroe]

35. Most states will simply use your SSN as your driver's license number

But if you go to your local DMV, they will change it upon request and give you a DL number separate from your SSN and your SSN will not show up on your license. I did this years ago.

[virgogal]

4. Why is your SSN on your license?

[Autumn]

8. It isn't on the license

I was wondering if it is in the little magnetic strip on the back.

[virgogal]

14. Sorry-------God I hope it's not on the mag strip. Never thought of that.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

34. Probably not

I've worked with license readers and I have yet to see a state come up on a printout that contained the driver's SSN.

[Autumn]

37. So what type of information

is on the strip?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

41. Usually name, address, age, gender, driver's restrictions.....

....such as if you need eyeglasses or if you are certified to have a CDL or chauffeur's license, eye color, hair color, weight and height and if you are an organ donor.

Some states vary with the info, but that's the most I've ever seen on one license.

[Autumn]

44. Thank you. I was just really

worried about my SSN and address. So just more or less what is listed on the front.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

45. Yup

Although, if you SSN is your license number as well, then I guess that is a backdoor way of getting it. Here in RI, it's not. I think any state that has that policy should change it.

[paulsby]

6. your SSN shouldn't be on your license

if it is contact your DOL and get it removed.

[Autumn]

10. It isn't on it, but I was wondering if

they can get information off the strip that is on the back. I was coming home and wondered if they can do data mining off of the strip. She never looked at my license, just scanned it.

[paulsby]

13. i can't speak to that

since the encoding varies state by state.

i would strongly suspect that the private vendor could not access any information from the strip that was not written on the front or back of the license.

but i concede that is just my suspicion

[bobbolink]

15. Sure. It is on your application for a license, right?

[Autumn]

17. I'm going to wear a tin foil hat

until I call the DMV. LOL

[bobbolink]

24. Sorry, I was just trying to answer your question.

I'll now go mind my own business.

[Autumn]

30. No. I think you are right,

and that is what worries me.

[AnneD]

59. At our school,

they get your DL,swipe it, and can print a tag that has your current DL picture, so I am sure there is more info on there. GOT FOIL?

[paulsby]

49. it wasn't on mine

maybe some states still ask for it.

[boppers]

33. About data mining (from someone who's been a "miner"):

Assume all electronic records are tracked, and available. Every phone call made, every store purchase with a "discount card", every debit and credit card purchase, every ATM transaction, every police stop, every stop light camera, every traffic camera, every private store camera, every overseas web site visited, every cross-border internet post created, every business and personal debt created, every political contribution made, etc.

Now stop imagining, because it's been a mundane reality for quite some time now.

It's kept in check by a series of regulations about government and private use/abuse, but being "scared" of it happening is impractical.

[Skip Intro]

48. How do you know what's on that strip? And I've never had anyone scan mine.

[Catherine Vincent]

9. I just received my new Texas license and there is some bar code added

It has about 25 numbers underneath. Don't know what that's for.

[Autumn]

12. Mine has a black strip on the back,

like the one on a credit card. I've never thought about it until data mining popped into my head on the way home.

[deaniac21]

19. Mark of the beast.

[Autumn]

20. LOL n/t

[AnneD]

11. They don't need a DL to complete a sale.....

esp if no alcohol is bought and you pay cash. Probably a menu drive cash register and a not so smart cashier. I would complain to HQ and local media. All sorts of info can be on that strip and I wouldn't want it out. Hand them the cash and if they can't complete the sale-go some where else.

[Autumn]

16. I'm going to call and ask them,

it didn't bother me until I was on my way home. I'm going to call the DMV and ask what information is on the strip too.

[Toucano]

27. I know other stores that make it mandatory. If you are 80 years old, they still have to swipe your

license.

Their answer to complaints? Don't like it, don't shop here.

I find it absurd.

[Autumn]

36. It is very absurd.

I won't stop there again. I am just amazed at how stupid I was to give it to her instead of leaving.

[AnneD]

60. I use to go to Denny's late at night....

I could order off the full menu, have coffee and talk to my other insomniac friends (no after bar hour friends). Imagine our shock when we were told we couldn't get certain easy to prepare items, not because they ran out of ingredients, not because the cook couldn't make it, but because the cash register would not let them ring it up until a certain time. At the time, I missed my fav dish by under 30 minutes. I and my friends complained to no available and haven't been there for over 6 years. We have a local diner we patronize. They refuse to modernize and let a mindless computer run their diner and are now up to 5 locations. And their food is WAY better

[Obamanaut]

57. Some cash registers in Fla are set such that the sale is stopped until

the computer verifies the age on the strip of the license for purchases of alcohol or tobacco products.

For those without a license, there is a state issued id card one can use.

Failing that, there is no requirement to sell those items to anyone. Because the ATF people regularly send out people who are underage to get clerks to sell them stuff, a prudent clerk would not sell prohibited items to people who cannot adequately identify themselves.

To the best of my knowledge, the yes/no on the computer/register can be overridden if what appears to be a senior citizen (for example) has no id.

Prudence and good judgement are essential.

[deaniac21]

18. That little magnetic strip has all of your medical history, your SSN,

the first person you ever kissed and how often you change your underwear. Be careful!

[Autumn]

22. The only ones I worry about

are the first two. I won't stop there again.

[4lbs]

21. CA drivers licenses have had that black magnetic strip on the back for about a decade.

I think some places, typically liquor stores, scan it to make sure it's a valid DL, and not a fake.

People who make fakes typically don't encode the magnetic strip.


EDIT:

I remember when I purchased a bottle of whiskey earlier this year, my DL was scanned and on the register a "Valid ID" popped on the panel after a few seconds.

[Autumn]

26. Must be new here in Colorado,

I bought cigarettes and I am well over 50 and look every bit of it. The guy in front of me bought a six pack of 3.2 beer and she scanned his license too.

[4lbs]

54. Yeah, they'll do that if the person looks young.

I'm 40 now, but look about 27 (that's what many people tell me) because I eat right and excercise.

In CA, many places, especially stores, will card you if you look under 30.

[BeHereNow]

25. Compiling your sin purchasing habits so you can be denied health care later in life.

Culling the herd, culling the herd.

You come down with an illness later that COULD be caused by alcohol or smoking-
It's YOUR fault AND THEY WILL USE YOUR CONSUMER RECORDS OF PURCHASING
to deny you care.

It's simple, really.

BHN

[Autumn]

28. That was what crossed my mind,

and if they keep records of it...

[BeHereNow]

31. Rest assured, they are gathering your consumer habit information.

Did you see Sicko?
A woman was denied care because she failed to list a yeast infection.

They will use anything to avoid providing care.
And what better reason than producing evidence and documentation that
you purchased "sin" products KNOWN to harm your health?

Fascists with the power of technology.

BHN

[barb162]

29. Do you look underage for buying cigarettes?

Maybe they don't want to get fined for selling to underage buyers.

[Autumn]

32. Oh no I look well over 50 years old

no way I could be thought of as young. The clerk never even looked at my license, just ran it through a scanner.

[DainBramaged]

38. I bought cough syrup and they scanned my license

the days of anonymity are over.........

[Autumn]

39. For cough syrup?

WTF Now I have had to go to the pharmacy counter for some sinus products but cough syrup?

[DainBramaged]

40. Yup, Delsym......

and being nearly 60 it took me aback.......and the pharmacist said I can't buy it again for 2 weeks.

[Autumn]

42. How crazy is that, I bought a bottle of that

last month at King Soopers and just put it in my cart and paid for it. This one better last me a while. I feel like I'm too old. Whats next? Tylenol.

[DainBramaged]

43. It was at Target.... I get all my drugs there........really

wish I could get illegal drugs there too but oh well.......

[onethatcares]

46. best answer to give,

I don't have one. If you're over 21 and look it, fark em, buy your beer or cigs elsewhere, and tell them why.

[Autumn]

47. I won't stop there again

and I'm going to call them and tell them why.

[SoCalDem]

52. Proves they check age id?

:shrug:

[Statistical]

55. Bingo.

A manual check by a clerk can be error prone, or clerk may punch in any DOB to speed up checkout, may let friends buy under age or may simply not ask for ID.
All of which carries fines not for the clerk but the store.

Swiping the card can digitally prove that at least the ID has valid age and it was used at the time of purchase. If the ID matches the buyer well that is another story.
Store likely has found swiping is faster, improves compliance, and reduces alcohol control fines.

[Autumn]

56. That makes me feel better,

because I can understand why underage buying is a problem. But damn all they have to do is look at the birth date or the old woman buying it. How sad is it when you don't trust and are suspicious about what they are doing.

[martymar64]

58. I wonder who they sell that info to

It's also a good way to get data in order to create fake driver's license that can be sold on the black market.

I don't trust them.