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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:50 PM
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Six Smart Progressive Complaints about the House Health Bill
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 01:53 PM by debbierlus
1. FROM CONGRESSMAN ERIC MASSA: "This Bill Will Enshrine in Law the Monopolistic Powers of the Private Health Insurance Industry"

At the highest level, this bill will enshrine in law the monopolistic powers of the private health insurance industry, period. There's really no other way to look at it. I believe the private health insurance industry is part of the problem.
This bill also, I believe, fails to address the fundamental question before the American people, and that is how do we control the costs of health care. It does not address interstate portability, as Medicare does. It does not address real medical malpractice insurance reform. It does not address the incredible waste and fraud that are currently in the system.

2. FROM THE CALIFORNIA NURSES ASSOCIATION: This Bill Fails to Control Costs

While the current bills will provide limited assistance for some, the inconvenient truth is they fall far short in effective controls on skyrocketing insurance, pharmaceutical and hospital costs, do little to stop insurance companies from denying needed medical care recommended by doctors, and provide little relief for Americans with employer-sponsored insurance worried about health security for themselves and their families.

3. FROM THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION FOR WOMEN: "This Bill Obliterates Women's Fundamental Right to Choose"

The House of Representatives has dealt the worst blow to women's fundamental right to self-determination in order to buy a few votes for reform of the profit-driven health insurance industry. We must protect the rights we fought for in Roe v. Wade. We cannot and will not support a health care bill that strips millions of women of their existing access to abortion.
Birth control and abortion are integral aspects of women's health care needs. Health care reform should not be a vehicle to obliterate a woman's fundamental right to choose.

The Stupak Amendment (to the House bill, which was approved and attached on Saturday) goes far beyond the abusive Hyde Amendment, which has denied federal funding of abortion since 1976. The Stupak Amendment, if incorporated into the final version of health insurance reform legislation, will:

• Prevent women receiving tax subsidies from using their own money to purchase private insurance that covers abortion;

•Prevent women participating in the public health insurance exchange, administered by private insurance companies, from using 100 percent of their own money to purchase private insurance that covers abortion;
• Prevent low-income women from accessing abortion entirely, in many cases.

NOW calls on the Senate to pass a health care bill that respects women's constitutionally protected right to abortion and calls on President Obama to refuse to sign any health care bill that restricts women's access to affordable, quality reproductive health care.

4. FROM PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S CECILE RICHARDS: This Bill Embraces Religious-Right Extremes


It is extremely unfortunate that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and anti-choice opponents were able to hijack the health care reform bill in their dedicated attempt to ban all legal abortion In the United States.
Most telling is the fact that the vast majority of members of the House who supported the Stupak/Pitts amendment in today's vote do not support HR 3962, revealing their true motive, which is to kill the health care reform bill.

These single-issue advocates simply used health care reform to advance their extreme, ideological agenda at the expense of tens of millions of women.

5. FROM CONGRESSMAN DENNIS KUCINICH,: This Bill Worries About the Health of Wall Street, Not America

We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system.
Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000 percent. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick.

But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies - a bailout under a blue cross.

By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress' blog, Think Progress, states, 'since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.' Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that 'money will start flowing in again' to health insurance stocks after passage of the legislation. Investors.com last month reported that pharmacy benefit managers share prices are hitting all-time highs, with the only industry worry that the Administration would reverse its decision not to negotiate Medicare Part D drug prices, leaving in place a Bush Administration policy.

During the debate, when the interests of insurance companies would have been effectively challenged, that challenge was turned back. The 'robust public option' which would have offered a modicum of competition to a monopolistic industry was whittled down from an initial potential enrollment of 129 million Americans to 6 million. An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration. Looking ahead, we cringe at the prospect of even greater favors for insurance companies.

Recent rises in unemployment indicate a widening separation between the finance economy and the real economy. The finance economy considers the health of Wall Street, rising corporate profits, and banks' hoarding of cash, much of it from taxpayers, as sign of an economic recovery. However in the real economy - in which most Americans live - the recession is not over. Rising unemployment, business failures, bankruptcies and foreclosures are still hammering Main Street.

This health care bill continues the redistribution of wealth to Wall Street at the expense of America's manufacturing and service economies which suffer from costs other countries do not have to bear, especially the cost of health care. America continues to stand out among all industrialized nations for its privatized health care system. As a result, we are less competitive in steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping while other countries subsidize their exports in these areas through socializing the cost of health care.

Notwithstanding the fate of H.R. 3962, America will someday come to recognize the broad social and economic benefits of a not-for-profit, single-payer health care system, which is good for the American people and good for America's businesses, with of course the notable exceptions being insurance and pharmaceuticals.

6. FROM "SICKO'S" DONNA SMITH: The Bill Does Not Cure What Ails Us

Passing a healthcare reform bill that does not provide me with better access to care or protection from bankruptcy and financial ruin is not what I asked you all to do. Stripping away all reference to a progressively financed, single standard of high quality healthcare for all - also known as single-payer -- is done only to more deeply ensconce the deep pocketed interests in healthcare: the private, for-profit insurance giants, the big pharmaceuticals, the medical equipment companies, the hospital corporations and all the other making huge profits as thousands die needless deaths.
Healthcare is a basic human right. Granting that right is not something to be calculated differently in swing Congressional districts, off-year election strategy or second-Presidential term planning. It is your (members of Congress') duty to me, to my fellow citizens and to your nation.

And (members of Congress) are marching away from reality when you think all the hard-working people who counted on you to make this a better healthcare system will not notice when you deliver insurance purchase mandates and a corporate bail-out that will dwarf the Wall Street trillions you've already justified.

Watch Smith's video: "American Sickos: Will the Current Bills Help? No"

Follow Smith's organizing for real reform at the website of Progressive Democrats of America. She is the national co-chair of PDA's Healthcare NOT Warfare campaign.

Full article with preliminary text HERE: http://www.commondreams.org/view/2009/11/09-10
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:54 PM
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1. I Stand With Dennis Kucinich
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:03 PM
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4. The first point is the one that is the most troublesome to me

Enshrining corporate profit above the peoples' health can't be the right move. I completely understand that people are desperate for health care coverage. What they don't understand is that this bill mandates a system that has brought the US healthcare system to its knees. This isn't health care coverage, it is health insurance coverage. Insurance companies can still deny paying claims (just not on the preexisting condition loophole, there are still a hundred and one others they use). This won't provide affordable insurance coverage to millions, it will be too expensive and they will be forced to pay a fine or purchase the scam product of 'catastrophic coverage'. It leaves millions not covered at all.

It doesn't fix the problem. It ENSHRINES the problem.

There is no competition to the private insurance companies in this bill. The 'public option' will be more expensive according the the CBC and it will likely be administered by the private insurance companies themselves.

This simply won't work. People are going to be shocked at what the 'affordabled' health care rates are for a middle class family.
Several hundred to over a thousand dollars a month.

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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:07 PM
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5. See This Clip From Sicko Via You Tube - The Problem Goes Back To 1972
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QkgUkM0o6Q

Quote - All the incentives are for less medical care!

Which means more profit!
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 07:21 AM
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24. Dr. Sarah K. Weinberg voices another equally serious objection
in her article Enough Already:

I think instead that the insurers’ opposition has been just fierce enough to get them a public option small enough to drown in a bathtub – success beyond their wildest dreams. Because when this public option fails, they (and the Republicans) will say: "See – single-payer health reform doesn’t work!"
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:08 PM
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6. It is ironic that everyone praises Kucinich policies as good and right

But, some condemn him when he stands up for what he believes.

Principle requires standing by your beliefs. If more democrats understood this simple truth, we would be a much stronger progressive party.
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:20 PM
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8. Agreed - If The Democratic Party Platform Is Not Worth The Paper It Is Written On - Then Why Bother
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:04 PM
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38. Too many here, even people that I here to fore thought were rational people, think
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 03:05 PM by truedelphi
That by objecting to this bill we are killing off people.

I am lead to believe that their wives and/or friends of some DU'ers who might benefit from this bill are somehow related to Tinkerbelle? And even Tinkerbelle did not weaken if we booed Captain Hook...

Like this OP states, there are many reasons to oppose this bill. It is hard for me to believe that
the same monopolistic industry that brought about this weirdly contrived legislation will allow the bill to be "improved" later on.

After all, after this bill goes into effect, the Insurance Industry and Big Pharma will have even more money for Lobbyists. More money for TV ads. And more money for the Campaign Coffers.


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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:54 PM
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2. Clearly nothing but comments from "Haters".
I , therefore, wholly recommend this post.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:56 PM
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3. This OP is way too organized to be truly progressive.
:evilgrin:
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:17 PM
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7. Hm, you're missing some of the usual responses here.
- "Why do you want to KILL 45,000 uninsured people a year?!"

- "Something is better than nothing!"

- "You can't get the votes for anything else!"

- "The bill will contain provision xxxxx which does good in the area of xxxxx!" (Therefore we can ignore its disastrous central functions of bailing out a failing for-profit insurance industry, its failure to control premiums, the mandates without reining in prices putting more pressure on the middle class, and a "public option" built to fail and discredit health care reform for another generation. Go backlash!)

- "Dreamer! Loser! Obstructionist! Traitor! REPUBLICAN!"
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:26 PM
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9. I know it.
:freak:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:51 PM
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13. Don't forget 'NADERITE SCUM!' My personal fav.
:evilgrin:
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:14 PM
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14. UFO Democrat!
And some guy is actually proud of concocting that one LOL
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:19 PM
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15. Then there are all the variations on "you can't always get what you want"
Which is a brilliant observation.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 08:45 AM
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27. Just wait, they will be along shortly.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:58 PM
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10. So nice of Common Ground to post an article critical of Pelosi's bill AFTER the debate
and vote are over. Even this article doesn't specify in simple language which provisions of the bill cause the problems, so people might oppose them. It only complains, after the fact, about the negative consequences.

During the entire lead-up to this disastrous piece of legislation, Common Ground was posting articles urging progressive readers to call their members of Congress in support b/c it had an undefined "public" option. People who were getting their info from other sources are not surprised by the outcome. Only by how the progressive media had deserted us when publishing good info could have made a difference. And they wonder why I haven't sent them money.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:28 PM
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12. To be fair, it's not like you could have followed what was going on beforehand...
since it was mostly backroom and rumor and maneuver.

You only get to know what it was once you're already fucked, I guess.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:47 PM
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16. Not so.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 06:47 PM by clear eye
There were quite a few articles which analyzed the original H.R. 3200, then followed the debate to weaken that already weak bill. They might not have been able to know exactly every provision going into the final bill, but they knew what important things definitely weren't in it, and what looked like it was going south. I read them outside of Common Ground.
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:15 PM
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17. Actually, all of this was known beforehand except the caving into the abortion amendment

I have been posting about this for months and months, and everything in this post is in my journal in one place or another.

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:10 PM
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19. Alrighty then.
It was more opaque to me, but I wasn't following it as well. The MSM coverage made it seem like things would spring suddenly, and like Pelosi was going to be an improvement on Baucus, and briefly, I believed it.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:24 PM
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11. KR
thank you! excellent and informative post, as always.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 07:29 PM
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18. Kicked and recommended.
Thanks for the thread, debbierlus.:thumbsup:
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:22 PM
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20. K&R
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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:07 PM
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21. K&R
Keep it up debbierlus.

Yer the go-to girl on reasonable views on this issue.

:toast:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:17 PM
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22. K&R!
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timzi Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:29 PM
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23. TRUTH - K & R
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 07:37 AM
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25. K&R
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 08:44 AM
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26. It is truly discouraging and depressing.
I can't help from wondering about the two losses by Democrats in the election of governors' races. I can't help from believing that they are primarily attributable to the growing disappoint that many feel about the Obama administration.

I was really enthusiastic about President Obama getting congress to address the disastrous medical health care situation, however, as the facts emerge I am getting more pissed off every day. I see more and more people on this board who feel they have been betrayed. If things keep going the way they have be going, I will not be surprised to see a landslide for the Republicans in 2010 when Democrats sit out the election as they recently did in Virgina and New Jersey.

I think that President Obama had better get over his disillusionment of bipartisan cooperation and face the reality that Republicans are nothing more than obstructionists when it comes to anything that would be beneficial to the workings class. They have opposed every piece of legislation dating from FDR's New Deal to the present that have benefited the working class. I fear that we are on the way to becoming a third rate country and we may very well see the day when our young people are leaving the country to seek better opportunities.

We emerged from WWII as an industrial powerhouse only to see unfair trade practices turn our industries into a rust belt as we allowed the crooked politicians and their greedy corporate buddies to scam the system. It would be as futile as Diogenes' search for an honest man to find more than a handful of Democrats that are actually willing to fight for fair treatment of the working class. They all stood by silently as their cooperate brothers in crime decimated American industry by outsourcing jobs and awarding themselves with 100 million dollar bonuses as their reward for exploiting desperate foreign workers and putting their fellow Americans in the soup line. Does anyone actually think that these spineless bastards we elect year after year are going to hold the medical insurance and pharmaceuticals industries accountable for this disastrous situation while they are accepting their campaign contributions? If you do then you are delusional. Until the there are term limits don't expect any real reform from professional politicians whose only concern is getting reelected.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 11:16 AM
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28. Wow! It's not just me. All these people who have worked long and hard on health care reform see the
same problems with this bill as I do!

the people who take money from the health care industrial complex seem to like this bill.


Who to trust, who to trust...?
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:16 PM
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29. How exactly does "an industry" exercise a monopoly over "an industry"?
Setting aside the fact that healthcare (and healthcare insurance) is a hybrid public/private system, and anyone purchasing coverage will be able to choose a public plan.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:18 PM
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30. The quotes chosen are 0 for 6
They are all demonstrably false.
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daleanime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:28 PM
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31. Then please do....
I'll be back later for your response. Take all the time you need, I'm sure it will be worth it.:evilgrin:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:45 PM
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32. need not wait very long
Edited on Wed Nov-11-09 12:45 PM by lumberjack_jeff
a) the bill does not create a private monopoly, it ends it by creating a public option. A monopoly is when one company owns all the market share.
b) it does control costs. http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/2009/11/cbo-affirms-hr-3962-will-contr.shtml
c) it doesn't "obliterate" the right to choose. :eyes:
d) the bill doesn't "ban all legal abortion" :eyes: :eyes:
e) the United States will never come to see the value of a single payer system if we don't take a first step today. 100 years of history is ample proof of that.
f) HR 3962 will essentially end medical bankruptcies.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:54 PM
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33. K&R
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 12:56 PM
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34. new kick
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SandWalker1984 Donating Member (533 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 01:43 PM
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35. 48 Million potential "health" Criminals


Welcome Back to Pottersville: Congress pulls the Trigger
http://welcomebacktopottersville.blogspot.com/2009/11/congress-pulls-trigger.html

Three years ago, You were Time's Man of the Year. By next year, you could be Public Enemy #1.

For years, journalist Michael Collins has been calling them “the Money Party.” It’s a mere paraphrase of Gore Vidal’s very correct assertion that there are no Democratic or Republican parties- There’s only the Corporate Party and the only difference between the two is how fast their knees hit the carpet when a lobbyist walks into their office.

In order to see just how evil and hostile our Congress is to their constituents, one need look no further back than the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act in the spring of 2005. The bill, written by self-dealing lenders seven and a half years before it passed, was essentially a veiled piece of sarcasm that preemptively sought to paint Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public as criminals or potential criminals for “abusing” the bankruptcy protection laws while these self-same, self-dealing corporations as the poor victims whose Plan B was always the bankruptcy courts, corrupt, irresponsible entities that were given the same protections that are rightfully ours.

The “consumer protection” part of the bill only protected those consumers of shrinking private incomes, namely the credit card companies who largely wrote the bill. They were still able to hike APRs up to 36% and even the subsequent credit card reform bill of this year does little to alleviate these crushing Tony Soprano-like interest rates. It only forces the credit card companies to give you a little more notice before capriciously jacking up your APR whether or not you’re a good customer.

Regarding election reform, it’s long been noted that lawmakers (especially, audaciously, Republicans) and the corporate mainstream media are more prone to believe or to have you believe that the real issue isn’t election fraud perpetrated every other year by multi billion dollar, Republican-connected vote tabulation companies and an army of shadowy, partisan operatives, it’s voter fraud. Forget the fact that only a handful of voter fraud cases were ever prosecuted by the Justice Department between 2002-5. Diebold, ES&S and Sequioa Systems aren't the bad guys. It's ACORN.

We’re also the Dillingers, Bonnie and Clydes and the James Gang. We’re the ones who abuse the bankruptcy system. We’re the ones who bully poor credit card and banking giants. We’re the ones who abuse the election laws. Yet we’re also the ones who have to bail out Wall Street to the tune of trillions and finance two losing wars thousands of miles away for trillions more whether we want to or not.

It can be said that the only truly criminal act perpetrated by the national electorate is when we keep voting into office actual criminals and corporate stooges (from now on referred to as “members of Congress”) and it’s that brief, shining moment when, ironically, we’re appealed to by these earnest, hopeful candidates and incumbents who never think beyond the next election cycle. It’s the one time that we can be trusted to “do the right thing” when we walk into the polls.

How many times in the movies have we seen henchmen and accomplices spring the bad guy from prison or do him some other favor only to see the bad guy turn around and shoot his naïve benefactor in the back? Last Saturday night, the people that we elected to Congress, did it again and this time we can’t blame the Republican Party.

In the dead of Saturday night, the House passed their version of a health reform bill that, frankly, makes Max Baucus’ first health care proposal look like a bleeding heart liberal/socialist piece of legislation by conspicuous relief. One of the most alarming aspects of HR 3962, that passed 220-215 (219 Democrats and one Republican voted for it) are the purely evil sections 7203 and 7201. The less evil of these sections, 7203, calls for $25,000 in fines and up to a year imprisonment for “defying” the federal mandate for getting insurance. That's the misdemeanor. The felony? A quarter of a million dollars in fines and up to five years in prison.

You read that right. A quarter of a million dollars in fines and 60 months in prison for being put in the position of choosing food or your mortgage over health care that are hardly any cheaper than the bloated rates we’re already paying. Add to that the nonpartisan CBO’s projection that any government-run public option would wind up being even more expensive than those offered in the private sector. Add to that the fact that Blue Dog Democrats and Republicans had shoehorned language into the bill that allows individual states to opt out of the public option, a tack favored by the President. It’s called “the trigger option”, so-called because it would trigger the implementation of said so-called option if the private sector doesn’t meet certain conditions.

And those of you who are actually found guilty of the crime of not buying over $100 of health insurance every week will lose their jobs and earning potential. For up to five years, we will not be contributing to anything other than a prison economy. We will not be paying taxes. We will not be paying child support if we already are. And when we get thrown into the prison system, who gets to foot the bill for the health care that we'd defiantly refused to get?

You guessed it: Joe Sixpack and John Q. Public, aka the already burdened US taxpayer.

The Draconian 7203 and 7201 are supposed to be mere threats, deterrents to prevent us from cruelly withholding and willfully denying poor HMOs who are just trying to get by like the rest of us.

But what difference does that make to the rest of us who are held at gunpoint and told, "Don't worry. We won't really shoot you unless you refuse to jump ten feet into the air"?

According to the latest projections, this $1.3 trillion health care bill (HR 3962) passed in the House would force you to buy insurance if you don’t have it already, raise premiums and allow states, including those that have near-monopolies in the health care industry (such as Maine, for instance) to drop out of the program. Essentially, it’s a massive individual mandate without anything resembling a public option and co-ops would essentially be shouldered and jostled out of contention. It would be very easy to imagine health insurance giants leaning on state-level lawmakers to opt out of the federal program.

Perhaps the Republican Party had the right idea about this, all along: Perhaps the last thing we need is health care “reform.” At least under the status quo, 48,000,000 of us can’t afford health insurance but no one’s proposing putting us in jail for the crime of being indigent or fining those that can’t afford even $5300 in annual premiums or $15,000 for family plans (the cheapest single and family plans under the ratified House bill) to the tune of $250,000.

The last such early Christmas present to the health care field, the $800,000,000 gift-wrapped present to Big Pharma from Congress and George W. Bush was just a precursor, a warmup. It was obvious from the gitgo that any health care “reform” would be a massive corporate giveaway seeking to create a captive customer base of hundreds of millions for a part of the private sector that is already richer and more powerful than most national GDPs. And the pre-emptive supposition that any working or unemployed man who chooses to feed his family or pays his mortgage to stave off foreclosure for another month is a potential criminal is plainly the most despicable legislation to come down the Beltway in years. Specifically, four and a half years.

I mentioned the bankruptcy bill of 2005 for another reason. A 2004 Health Affairs study discovered that out of 1,660,245 people who filed for bankruptcy the year before, around half of them did so because medical bills made them default on credit card or mortgage payments. And almost 73% of those people already had health insurance. At the very black heart of the bankruptcy bill was the need for health care reform, something that took four more years to seriously address.

But We the People are under siege by our own Congress. They have met the enemy and do so during every election cycle and it is us.

The House passed a bill last Saturday that forces you to buy health insurance at rates higher than what we’re already paying, without a real public option and credit card companies can still charge you up to 30% interest even if you’re a good customer. It’s impossible to see how this miraculous “jobless recovery” will pan out when unemployed, underemployed and struggling working families are saddled with crushing home lending rates, rising credit card payments and an unwanted mandate that seeks to burden these same families with at least $15,000 in corporately/Congressionally-mandated health care costs that at least now are optional and with little to no real chance of successfully filing for bankruptcy protection. And to somehow be able to do all this with the unemployment now officially at 10.2%.

What I’m proposing here isn’t Monday morning quarterbacking. This is real. The Democratic Congress did this to us last Saturday after the C-SPAN cameras were turned off for the night. It was as if they shot us in the back of the head Soviet-style so as to leave behind no witnesses or to take a bigger cut of the heist. While I’m not lauding the GOP’s motive for opposing it, it can be said that this time, unlike 2005, they didn’t have a hand in this Satanic bill that seeks to enslave and imprison American consumers both literally and figuratively. And why we’re not marching on Capitol Hill right now by the tens of millions, torches, ropes, buckets of hot tar, bags of feathers and pitchforks in hand is anybody’s guess.

And why is it that the only people whom we’d seen come out in full force and in full-throated, well-organized opposition to health care reform was the clearly insane, criminally stupid and willfully ignorant radical factions known as astroturfers and teabaggers?
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change_notfinetuning Donating Member (750 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:14 PM
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36. Health care through greed, peace through war, and transparency that even
Superman couldn't see through.

Now that's change I have to believe. Too bad it's in Obama and not the direction of the country.
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 02:14 PM
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37. Hmm
I'll leave the greater debate to wiser minds than my own... but from what I've read, on both sides, I do not trust this bill. I trust that those arguing in favor and those arguing against however, both have good intentions - which is why I wish it wouldn't so often devolve into flame war. As for my personal thoughts....

I suppose one of the first things I look at is selfish. Will this bill, in any way assist me? I'm uninsured and have a medical condition, I take fairly expensive medication, which, even with discount programs can be a bitch. Unemployed for the last few years due to said medical condition. I see no way in which this bill can be of any real assistance to me. Therefor, I'm inclined to think if it doesn't benefit me and those like me, what the hell is the point? Perhaps I'm pessimistic and selfish, but I also deal with a real illness every day of my life - and can't afford better treatment than a metaphorical bandaid. Nor could I afford private insurance, nor could my parents, or my girlfriend, or any of my friends. Many have it worse than me and are unable to receive adequate treatment for the same reasons. Either due to not qualifying as disabled, too much house-hold income (which surprisingly, isn't that much at all) or being single and alone - many cannot qualify for federal or state assistance programs either.

What is this bill going to do for the many? What is it going to do for the millions of uninsured who are suffering every day due to inadequate treatment, lack of treatment, or lack of finance? My answer to this question is simply... not enough. Not much at all. I could support it as another metaphorical bandaid, but so far metaphorical bandaids haven't done me much good. I'm not dead set against it, but frankly I don't care whether it passes or not.
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StreetKnowledge Donating Member (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 03:31 PM
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39. Seriously Folks, This has got to be considered a line that the Dems stepped dramatically over.
Seriously, it's time to throw these fuckers out of office, starting with the Blue Dogs. Those assholes MUST BE THROWN OUT. This bill is far, far worse than no bill. It's a gigantic fuck you to the American people, who already suffer enough for idiotic government policies. And this time, the GOP had nothing to do with it. These guys don't represent you any more. It's time to get a third party together that really will look at your needs, and get these pieces of shit masquerading as Democrats OUT.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-11-09 04:20 PM
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40. Whether some or all of these complaints are valid, this bill is a devastating failure of
our party to come through for the citizens. We have made clear that we want major and effective healthcare reform, yet we are offered a watered-down, lobbyist's dream of a "compromise" reform bill.

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