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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:47 PM
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"Stupak is as Stupak does"
I think Forrest Gump had the amendment's defenders -- that group of brave keyboarding males who insist it will do no harm to a women's right to choose -- pretty well summed up..
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:53 PM
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1. "Not the brightest bulb on the porch".
From the author of "The Family" on the Thom Hartmann" program today.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:55 PM
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2. And yet our system gives dim bulbs -- and dim sons -- all the power...
n/t
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lysosome Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:11 PM
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5. It ain't the system, it's the people.
We Americans voted these fuckers in.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:25 PM
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9. Are they a reflection of us? Of most of us? Or has corporate money imposed them on us?
Either way, I guess by "behaving" and doing what we're told, we sign off on their behavior.

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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:03 PM
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11. Being smart is NOT a key to being popular.
politics is mostly about popularity.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:29 PM
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13. Indeed, if American elections are any indicator, usually the reverse, yes?
n/t
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:55 PM
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3. heh. One of the brave keyboarders already unrec'd it!
n/t
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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:09 PM
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4. Well, I re-rec'd it for you. I give credit where credit is due.
That was a good one!
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LatteLibertine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:11 PM
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6. Tool and a C street dupe...
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:11 PM
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7. Duplicate deleted.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 02:15 PM by Overseas
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:13 PM
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8. Actually, Stupak is as The Christian Mafia does.
Many of our most conservative Democrats are also associates of The Family, the conservative cult with the C-Street dorm, that calls itself "The Christian Mafia" and has the motto of "Jesus Plus Nothing," that puts its cult's ideas about What Jesus Would Do ahead of the constitution and their constituents.

I'd like to see the Democrats most closely tied to that cult that believes its tenets more important than US law voted out of office. Even if they seem like harmless nice guys like Stupak. Or well established standard-bearers like Bill Nelson.

Here's part of Jeff Sharlet's March 2003 Harper's article about The Family:

Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as “the Family.” The Family is, in its own words, an “invisible” association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as “members,” as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.” The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend. Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”

In the process of introducing powerful men to Jesus, the Family has managed to effect a number of behind-the-scenes acts of diplomacy. In 1978 it secretly helped the Carter Administration organize a worldwide call to prayer with Menachem Begin and Anwar Sadat, and more recently, in 2001, it brought together the warring leaders of Congo and Rwanda for a clandestine meeting, leading to the two sides' eventual peace accord last July. Such benign acts appear to be the exception to the rule. During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand “Communists” killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise. “We work with power where we can,” the Family's leader, Doug Coe, says, “build new power where we can't.”

<snip one para>

There they forge “relationships” beyond the din of vox populi (the Family's leaders consider democracy a manifestation of ungodly pride) and “throw away religion” in favor of the truths of the Family. Declaring God's covenant with the Jews broken, the group's core members call themselves “the new chosen.”


Read the full article at http://www.harpers.org/archive/2003/03/0079525


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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:37 PM
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10. Yes. And it's surprising the number of defenders that "Family" legislation has on this board
n/t
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:15 PM
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12. They probably don't realize how many Conservadems are members
of that Extremist Christian group that puts its own goals above those of our constitution.

Let's hope they learn the truth so that their endorsement of the political tactic to approve the Stupak Christian Mafia amendment to get the HCR bill through won't lead them to fall for the next ploy The Family urges one of its devotees to toss into the mix.
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