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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:32 PM
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Will The Stimulus Save The U.S. Economy?
reprinted with permission from http://sane-ramblings.blogspot.com/2009/11/will-stimulus-plans-save-us-economy.html

Will The Stimulus Save The U.S. Economy?

In 2008, President Bush rushed through massive corporate bailouts and a $160 billion stimulus to save the U.S. Economy. When that failed, President Obama added to the corporate bailouts and rushed out a $787 billion stimulus. Are these newest bailouts and stimulus going to save the Economy?

On Friday, the U.S. Labor Dept. stated that in October 600,000 more workers lost their jobs and the total number of unemployed is now 15.7 million people. That does not count the millions more who've run out of jobless benefits.

These people are now drawing unemployment benefits rather than paying taxes and they've slashed their buying of consumer goods which is what drives our Economy.

The immediate political reaction was to consider rushing through another stimulus. Will doing more of what is not working rescue the Economy? Have the stimulus plans not been big enough? And if the U.S. does more bailouts and stimulus, where will the money come from?

The nation is now so deeply in debt it is running the printing presses to create more money out of thin air.

Perhaps the answer is the opposite of what the Bush and Obama governments have done, each in their own way spending vast sums we don't have on bailouts, stimulus and weapons and wars. Let us instead, end those bailouts and stimulus and the wars and slash military spending, which morality aside, only add to the staggering taxpayer burden.

Also, instead of giving massive sums of money away, raise interest rates to reward savers and to attract more money to America as we support the dollar, strengthen our capital base and build global confidence we actually know what we're doing.

As for companies demanding bailouts, let the bankruptcy courts restructure or sell their assets as new businesses rise from their ashes. For badly managed firms, these bailouts haven't saved jobs, they've just created giant corporate zombies stumbling from mishap to mishap.

While the government may be irresponsible with your money, you can't afford to be for your family, and your extended family which is our nation, depend upon you to weather this storm and then wisely help us get back on our feet. For the bedrock of our nation has always been its hard work, its willingness to help one another and its determination to succeed.
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Craftsman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:35 PM
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1. No.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:42 PM
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2. not the way they are applying the money
the "shovel ready jobs" is a phrase that has no meaning in todays world.
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:43 PM
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3. Helps Wall Street Not Main Street - The Little Man Always Suffers
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:44 PM
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4. here's the facts...it's not remotely possible...
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:38 PM
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7. Thank you very much for that link! That page is a must see...

I'll repost its URL: http://www.usdebtclock.org/


It pretty much explains why we need to print more money all the time. I don't think this will end well.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:43 PM
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10. I started a thread at the exact same time you posted this one....
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 02:44 PM by jus_the_facts
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:50 PM
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12. I was thinking that debt clock page should be posted as it's own thread...
And it is.

I went over there and kicked your thread
:hi:
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:53 PM
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13. Thank You and a kick back up for yours as well.
:hi:
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:44 PM
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5. No, but it will give our grandchildren something to talk about while they try to
pay off the national debt, or learn Chinese.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 01:53 PM
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6. The US economy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BVqIjKyJh0

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork4.html

"You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petro-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, reichmarks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels.

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU WILL ATONE!

Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?

You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today."
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:41 PM
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9. damn right! n-t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:25 PM
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22. I think Glenn Beck based his character on Howard Beale. n-t
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:38 PM
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8. No. It is triage.
The global economy is doomed unless radical changes are made.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:27 PM
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19. And you know what happens to your patient....
..if you can't stop the bleeding.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:50 PM
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11. Four years from now the economy will be much stronger than it is now (which isn't saying
much). It took Bush 8 years of selfish, inept rule to ruin the economy. Competent management of the economy by an intelligent person and effective politician will bring the economy back faster than Bush killed it.

We've been in "hopeless" economic situations before and survived and prospered. Possibly this time "it really is different" and we are doomed, but it's also possible competent leadership will, once again, bring us back.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 02:53 PM
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14. One of the first things that "competent leadership " needs to do is..
drastically reduce our weapon's and war's budget. I sure hope he does that soon.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:06 PM
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15. Tough to argue with that, though effective market regulation, progressive taxation,
national health care, and a strengthened social safety net will give reducing our war budget a good run. And I think Obama intends to accomplish those things - not as quickly or in the exactly the same way that I would like (in my dreams I am a bit of a dictator who gets to decree whatever law I like as soon as I like), but I believe (hope?) that he plans to do these things.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:29 PM
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17. I agree with all those things you mentioned, and I hope the president takes bold action...
...because we are in a dire place, and I think some people don't realize this.
btw, did you see that debt clock page http://www.usdebtclock.org , posted by jus_the_facts?
scary!
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:16 PM
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16. We're a consumer economy without jobs for the consumers. Guess how that's going to work out.


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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 03:59 PM
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18. Prediction: Holiday retail sales dismal. nt
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 04:30 PM
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20. No. Consumers are the engine that drive the economy, not big business.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 05:13 PM
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21. Nov.20th 2007 - Same Author - "How To Protect Yourself From The Coming Financial Crisis"
How To Protect Yourself From The Coming Financial Crisis
http://sane-ramblings.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-to-protect-yourself-from-coming.html
by Dick Kazan (Original publish date: Tue Nov 20, 2007)

Dear Reader,

Are you prepared for the coming financial crisis?

We Americans haven't seen one like this since The Great Depression, as the dollar's value will get cut in half, real estate will lose 1/3 of its value and millions of people will lose their jobs.

As a veteran businessman and long term investor, I offer you suggestions to help protect you and your family and as many other people as you and I can reach.

Soon, everything you buy in dollars will cost more. The price of gas is just the start, and that price will fluctuate up and down, but the long term trend will be up.

And with it, so will the cost of groceries and other products you buy because the rising fuel prices make it more expensive to deliver them to the markets.

Those businesses not in a strong enough position to pass along price hikes will either fail, or have to slash expenses such as by laying off employees.

If you've recently traveled to Europe, Japan or Canada, you already know how expensive everything has become when paid for in U.S. dollars. And soon much of what you buy from retailors such as Wal-Mart and Home Depot will become more costly as well because a lot of it is imported.

As a result, dollars are flowing overseas so fast, that nations such as China, Japan, South Korea, as well as the Persian Gulf oil producers, Russia and others are flooded with them and need to invest them before they decline further in value.

They're buying U.S. assets and they're loaning the U.S Government money. Those who loan the money are in a strong position to dictate terms.

They can raise interest rates to make their loans more profitable, and to ensure their loans will be paid back they can encourage raising of taxes and the cut back of benefit programs such as Social Security and Medicare and other reductions in essential services to Americans.

And the cost increases won't stop there. After next year's elections your taxes will rise to pay for the Bush Administration's vast overspending on weapons and war.

All of these factors will combine to throw a lot of people out of work.

So what can you do to protect yourself from the coming financial crisis?

1) Consult with a reputable and objective investment advisor before doing anything. Someone not trying to sell you anything and who can take an unbiased look at your current finances.

This includes tax advise, because taxes are already eating up nearly half your paycheck. It is hard to become financially secure with nearly half your income gone.

2) Invest in income producing assets so that you're not solely locked into the declining dollar. My favorite is residential real estate because we all have to live somewhere and paying the rent is a high priority to most people.

This real estate ideally will be in major job centers, not in 2nd home communities or time shares because in tough times, people walk away from them.

If you choose residential real estate in which to invest, please be aware the market is beginning a sharp drop in value. This is a good time to save your cash because values are falling faster than your dollar is and plan to invest in the months to come when purchase prices will be much lower.

3) Invest in strong foreign currencies or buy assets in countries with strong currencies, as some major investors have been doing. But please be well informed because you could lose everything you invest if you're not knowledgeable. You may find it best to select a well-established, highly credible mutual fund to make these investments for you.

This same approach applies to commodities speculation such as in gold or oil futures.

4) If you can, run an income producing business, preferably one that can adjust its costs during times of financial turmoil and one offering products people need in good times and bad such as food, medical care or other essential items.

Another good business choice in major U.S. cities is to run one catering to immigrants, or get into the travel business, specifically catering to visitors because the U.S. is becoming a cheap place to visit for those with stronger currencies.

5) If you work for a living, preferably be employed by a dynamic company in a fast growing field, whether in medicine, computers, debt collection, energy or other choices that play to your skills.

Also military contracting and law enforcement will provide a strong base of employment for a long time to come.

6) In hard times many financial institutions will fail. Put your savings in FDIC insured accounts.

7) This final choice is one of conscience. Make charitable donations. One of your best investments is to help make the world a safer place as you offer a helping hand to those in need.

Please understand, the U.S. is still a great country and has the world's largest economy. It remains a highly desirable place to live and to work. And for now, people overseas will continue to loan us money to pay our bills.

An informed populace would not have allowed the Pentagon's uncontrolled spending in concurrence with Congress to put us on a road to bankruptcy. Nor would it have let the Bush Adminstration trash our Bill of Rights, while Congress looked the other way.

To correct America's ills won't be easy. It will take a concerted effort, a unity of the American people to restore our nation's finances, its Constitutional government and to end the nightmare the U.S. is unleashing on itself and on the world. But it can and I hope it will be done.

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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 08:26 PM
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23. No n/t
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