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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:07 PM
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The people who are willing to walk away always have more power in a negotiation.
The dynamics working against liberals are fairly obvious: they are the ones who want to help a whole bunch of people in dire straits and nobody else gives a damn. That makes them weaker in the final stages because everyone knows they want it more (that people are desperate) so they will not risk getting nothing at all when so many are suffering. The people who are willing to walk away always have more power in a negotiation.

So, knowing that, why in the hell do they go into every discussion having already given away everything but their bottom line? Especially when the only people with whom they are negotiating are ostensibly on their own team, where presumably the leadership and the president have some extra sway? If there was ever a case for the liberals to go in with guns blazing, demanding repeal of the Hyde Amendment, demanding single payer, demanding huge tax increases on the wealthy, demanding open border access to the health care system (which some countries have.) Then they would have had something to work with.

Instead they went in with the tried and true "don't make trouble" strategy assuring everyone who would listen that they had no intention of upsetting the status quo or causing "distractions" and practically apologizing for even asking for universal coverage. In the end they ended up actually rolling back their position on a matter of fundamental principle. And it sounds like that still isn't going to be enough.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/goldilocks-was-betrayed-by-digby-all.html

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:08 PM
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1. yup.......
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:09 PM
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2. Love that subject line.
It say it all.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:09 PM
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3. How has the walking away strategy worked out for us over the past
4 decades? :shrug:
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liberal_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 12:29 PM
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4. I certainly don't understand why so many were afraid to ask for single payer healthcare
People keep saying we would never have had the votes for single payer healthcare so why bother. Well for one if we had asked for single payer healthcare maybe we would have gotten a better deal on the public option. There is nothing wrong with asking for it all. In fact that is generally how negotiations are done especially when both sides want something so completely different. Usually both sides ask for everything they want and then both give up something they want until both can agree on a compromise. You don't start with a compromise because you're afraid you won't get what you want. Besides how do we know we wouldn't have gotten single payer healthcare? Look at all the recs for single payer on this board. If enough of us want it and demand it eventually they will offer it.
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