Who the fuck does Dennis Kucinich think he is?

[lwcon]

For months, Democrats have sold their souls and left their brains at the door to protect Obama, Daschle, Baucus and company from being scrutinized for outright lying about a health-reform process that would be "open and transparent" and which would "consider all options."

The administration made a secret deal with Big Pharma, and all the big bloggers and groups like MoveOn served zillions of gallons of STFU to anyone who questioned the wisdom of pre-compromising in favor of the wafty "public option" concept. And we proudly told anyone and everyone to stick it, if they dared ask how many people would actually have access to the vaunted public option.

Think about it: if declaring victory instead of achieving it weren't a goal worth having, would we have thrown women and their reproductive rights under the bus? Hell, no! Democrats love the ladies!

So, I must ask, where does Dennis Kucinich get the nerve to criticize this bill? And after we've all received dozens of e-mails from Barack Obama, Tim Kaine and company, announcing how historically historic it is and urging Democrats to send more money -- so in 2010 our powder can be kept more-historically dry than ever!

Shame on you, Mr. Kucinich, shame!

[FormerDittoHead]

1. Kickity, Kick, KICK!

I'm now hanging up on them. HOW DARE they ask for more money.

IT'S NOT A FUCKING AUCTION.

[piratefish08]

2. Ditto.

[Vincardog]

3. IT [b]almost[/b]makes me sad that I sent him money 3 times

[lwcon]

6. Heh-heh! n/t

[Betty]

4. Thank you!!!

well put.

[debbierlus]

5. The democrats are now Republicans and the Republicans are now LUNATICS

That is what we have -

A right wing government with a democratic mask.

And, a counter party of absolute crazy people.

(with a VERY few true democrats mixed in)

Reality sucks, but there it is!

[Tesha]

9. One of the best Democrats in the Senate isn't a Democrat at all!

And no, I'm NOT talking about Joe Lieberman!

Tesha

[inna]

33. let me guess,

Sanders?....

[L0oniX]

37. +1

[Tesha]

39. Bernie exemplifies the sort of person who should represent the people.

Far too many "Democrats" exemplify the sort of person
who should represent the corporations and the monied
interests.

Tesha

[PuraVidaDreamin]

12. yup

wish I knew how to wake up the sheep.

[John Q. Citizen]

i see you have improved my little slogan. I like yours better.

Mine was: The Democrats are now Republicans and the Republicans are now Fascists.

But "LUNITICS" has a number of rhetorical and linguistic advantages over "fascists." And it's more fun. And it's still true.

[RufusTFirefly]

14. +1

I was just telling someone the other day how the current Democratic Party is to the right of the Republicans of my youth.

Back then, today's "Republicans" were ranting behind John Birch Society pamphlet tables at the county fair.

[NYC_SKP]

7. Oh, I get it. It's like sarcasm or something. Obama threw women under the bus...

...or something like that.

Okie dokie.

I am going to the hardware store now.

I'm sure this post will get all rec'd up by the time I return.

I'm glad that the sentiment that Obama is responsible for what Stupak sticks into a bill created by a different branch of government...

...is a minority view within the Democratic party AND among progressives.

:popcorn:

[lwcon]

17. "Obama threw women under the bus... or something like that"

Well you know how women are, sometimes they don't go for stuff like this:

http://www.correntewire.com/obama_and_overton_window

[fascisthunter]

8. lol

well said

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Dennis is a leftist troublemaker and non-conformist politician. Too bad there aren't more like him.

[tabasco]

34. Yes, we could have republican rule FOREVER!!

[RufusTFirefly]

11. As usual, it must be Ralph Nader's fault

:sarcasm:

(captioned for the obtuse)

[msongs]

13. at least he didn't turn into Bush 3 as soon as he was sworn in lol nt

[Johonny]

15. yes it's all a giant conspiracy

between Obama, the Nazi's, the industrial military complex, the aliens, Big science, Big Pharma, the internet(s) and Jesus.

You lost me at secret deals. Secret? It's a 2000 page bill posted on the internet. Big secret.

[lwcon]

16. You were saying...?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_n_258285.html

A memo obtained by the Huffington Post confirms that the White House and the pharmaceutical lobby secretly agreed to precisely the sort of wide-ranging deal that both parties have been denying over the past week.

[lwcon]

27. *Crickets*

Hey, denial, claims of 11 dimensional chess, etc. are always welcome!

Give it a go!

[closeupready]

18. K&R

n/t

[glitch]

19. Declaring victory without actually achieving it: the uniquely american solution. nt

[Hangingon]

20. I don't usually support Kuchinich but I saw him explain his vote.

He is a guy apparently not willing to "sell his soul" just to pass a bill he feels is bad. I have to admire his integrity.

[tomp]

31. you should usually support him...he's always like that. nt

[inna]

21. K&R!!

We couldn’t really make this bill single payer; that was taken off the table. But we did something else: We were able to get a bill in the committee passed that would protect the right of states to be able to have—to pursue a not-for-profit healthcare plan at a state level to shield it from legal attack. And that was taken out of the legislation after it had passed. It was taken out by the administration, which has whittled down the public option to the point of not having it truly compete with insurance companies.

:banghead:

[gravity]

22. Kucinich is someone who voted for the status quo

I don't care if he has problems with the legislation, but it is a helluva a lot better than what is going on right now. Kucinich is just selfish and a useless politician. We needed his vote.

Most of the other Democrats have to compromise their principles in the process, but they actually get stuff done that helps the American people. It is easy to be an outsider and criticize, but building a majority in Congress to get legislation passed is a dirty job and hard work.

[rudy23]

23. The numbers don't bear out what you're saying. We did not need his vote.

We needed his voice more than his vote. That's why he's getting attacked on here this week. The DLC fears the backlash from Kucinich, who embodies so much of what the left stands for.

[gravity]

25. It would have helped the left if he had supported the legislation

Him opposing it just means that the Democrats have to make up the support by compromising with a centrist.

And he can speak up against the bill all he wants, but he should still vote in favor of it.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. No he voted against an anti woman rip off

he voted against mediocrity. He puts excellence in the possible column. He puts people in the equation. Unlike the hacks that are the majority of the Party, Dennis stands with all people and for universal equality and civil rights. He stands with my family, while Obama holds us in contempt as unapproved by his 'god'. For that I stand with Dennis when he needs it.
You can call honesty useless, the courage to stand up for the rights of others selfish? I do not agree with you.
I remember Bush, like all the mediocre politicians, whining as you do about how it is such 'hard work'. He did not like DK either. Hard work.....poor things. Are they underpaid too, in your view? Should we give them more time off, more money? If they don't like it, they can resign.

[Greyhound]

28. But this is not "a helluva a lot better than what is going on right now".

This corporate welfare bill, in exchange for a few minor concessions that will be eliminated through the courts, enshrines the status quo in perpetuity through the law. In short, the biggest danger in this bill is that it ensures we will never be able to rid ourselves of this parasite.

[Major Hogwash]

24. The audacity of that man! How dare he fight for a better bill. Break out the torchs and pitchforks!

No kidding!!
If half of what the people are saying about Dennis is true, he must have a stake driven through his heart while he is sleeping or else the rest of us will all be doomed to walking around in the night sucking blood!!

And yet the real bloodsuckers are the ones who have no images in the mirrors!!

I'd like Stupak to go to a NOW convention and tell them in a speech that if poor women want abortions, let them go buy "abortion insurance" and see how much is left of him at the end of the day!!!

They'd tear his head off and shred him into little pieces.
And rightly so!!!

Tell Stupak we don't want healthcare at the expense of treating women like baby making machines!!!!!

[Prophet 451]

29. He thinks he's Wat Tyler

If you're not familiar with Wat Tyler (which you might not be), he led the English Peasent's Revolt. The Revolt itself failed in the short term (although the rebels did capture the Tower of London, a massive shock to the ruling class) and Wat was murdered (and widely seen as a martyr) but the consequences led to the end of serfdom, the abolition of the Poll Tax and the invention of progressive taxation.

Since then, Wat Tyler has become an English folk hero of the same kind as Robin Hood, symbols of the common man pushed beyond his limits and striking back. The nearest US equivelent would probably be Tom Joad.

[LostInAnomie]

30. BFD. He made a grandstanding vote on a bill where his vote wasn't necessary.

What a man. :eyes:

[ProleNoMore]

32. I Stand With Dennis Kucinich

eom

[tabasco]

35. He thinks he's the bravest little soldier of all time!

That's his fucking problem.

[David Zephyr]

36. Kick.

How dare Dennis be a progressive voice in our party! Great OP, Iwcon.

[BzaDem]

38. The goal of Kucinich is not to achieve victory. It is to fail to achieve victory.

After all, the best way to achieve victory and move the process along would be to vote for the bill, and he voted against it.

If Dennis really had any intention of trying to achieve victory, he would come up with a plan and then come up with 218 supporters for it. Instead, he comes up with a plan that has maybe 100 supporters and votes against anything that isn't that plan.

[Autumn]

40. Could you imagine the horror if we had

50 more just like him infiltrating our party? :scared: Just imagine what could happen.




:kick:

[undeterred]

41. He's the loneliest person in Congress.

[ipaint]

42. If Tommy Douglas was an American today he'd be vilified and

condemned by moderates and conservatives too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2oUInTUlAM&feature=related

He calls it "subtle strangulation" when apologists/faux progressives do the incremental dirty work for the ins. corps.

[Orsino]

43. It's the up-or-down nature of the vote...

...that makes it easy to declare Kucinich an ally of the GOP, or somehow in opposition to health-care reform. Nuance escapes us.

Hell, your sarcastic subject line probably earned you a few extra recs from those of us who don't always read carefully.