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[HamdenRice]

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[tekisui]

1. Laugh all you want.

I hold no illusion of Kucinich's viability as a POTUS candidate. But, I hold that he did move the debate to the Left. As long as he was allowed to stand on the stage, he held the Democratic platform to the Left. He did his job, and is still doing it well.

[rudy23]

2. For someone so insignificant, you sure are on a mission to take him down. Why him and not

the other 30+ Blue Dogs that voted against the bill?


Could it be that numbers don't represent how important Dennis really is to Progressives? It must be something, because your last 50 posts have been trashing Dennis Kucinich---I'm sure it's all voluntary and genuinely motivated though.

[Name removed]

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[NorthCarolina]

16. Because it is obvious that the DK attacks are coming from Blue Dogs/DLC if not directly

from the GOP. It is a curious point you raise isn't it?

[HamdenRice]

17. Thus sprake the paranoid UFO wing of the Democrats

You don't have to be paid to think DK is a clown.

Keep in mind that he polls 4% of Democrats. It's likely that many, many of the 96% of Democrats who don't vote for the Kuch also think he's a clown -- without a penny needing to change hands!

:rofl:

[NorthCarolina]

19. You say you don't have to be paid, but I suppose it helps

just the same...doesn't it? Paranoid UFO wing? No, just the wing with compassion for the citizens of this country as opposed to the corporate goons who can't tolerate progressive/populist ideas that represent a challenge to their dominion. The tide is changing though, and there is little you can do about it except to keep hitting the boards as you have been in your pathetic and overly transparent attempt to marginalize Progressives. Off to the dustbin of history with you.

[HamdenRice]

21. Funniest shit I've read on DU in years! Thanks!

[NorthCarolina]

22. That's exactly what I was thinking about your BS repeated over and over - ad nauseum.

Guess we have more in common that I would have thought.

[HamdenRice]

23. Thanks for the kick!!! nt

[NorthCarolina]

25. You're welcome. The more exposure to BS like yours will help real Democrats to learn to identify

conservative politicking masquerading as concerned Democrats expressing their views, such as your schtick.

[Egnever]

51. LOL real democrats

They anything like real republicans?

Good luck with your crusade there tiger it will yield the same results the wingers has.

[LWolf]

62. Good point.

[Bryn]

4. I hope someday more DUers will wake up

That Dennis was right to vote no.

I support Dennis.

[SIMPLYB1980]

5. That's got to hurt.

[mmonk]

6. I would be more worried about Democrats against real reform

or aren't for changing this country enough on the mandate they were given if I were you.

[HamdenRice]

7. Kucinich IS against real reform

He votes against it every time he has a chance.

That's why Ron Paul followers love him and want him as Paul's running mate.

[mmonk]

12. He will hold his seat. Lincoln, Conrad, et al will be in political trouble.

Their constituencies won't notice much difference between them and Republicans so they won't feel compelled or bothered to send them back.

[Threedifferentones]

18. Your view makes no sense to me, HamdenRice

Both Kucinich and Paul want reforms far bigger than their parties would ever vote for, that's why they are the "black sheep" of the house, and it's why both parties run strong primaries against them even though they are guaranteed to win the GE in their districts. You, like our spineless Democratic leaders, seem to think that "real reform" means repackaging the same shitty status quo and celebrating really publicly so as to increase the Dems chances of getting reelected. After all, the major changes won't go into effect until well into Obama's second term or beyond, so why should he or our senate leaders worry about the fact that they've done very little good for our healthcare?

Funnily enough, even though the two men often want radical reform in opposite directions, sometimes DK and RP agree 100%. For instance, they both have resoundingly opposed our huge military and its recent wars. Ron Paul is against government intervention into most things, so I would never vote for him. Like DK, I would like the government to set up quality health care for all citizens. However, I have heard RP interviewed a few places and every time he makes it a point to emphasize that the government programs he abhors most, and wold get rid of first, are our bloated military and "intelligence" agencies that suck up a huge portion of our resources but do little good for ordinary Americans.

Ron Paul is misguided, but he is far more honest than 99% of congress. Real reform means telling the rich assholes who control this country to throw in their fair share or fuck off. Both DK and RP would do that if they could, which is why I have more respect for them than the mainstream of either party. You see, while the Dems and Repubs are quibbling over little things, pulling the wool over your eyes by debating about red herrings like abortion, and agreeing 100% that big insurance and pharma companies must keep getting richer at our expense, independently minded folks like DK and RP are trying to talk about real reform.

[Orwellian_Ghost]

8. Maybe he needs

to go whoring on 'K' street? Then the manufactured consent will surge?

:shrug:

My apologies to the ladies of the night who at least work honestly.

[paparush]

9. Mr. Kucinich, Do you Pray? "I've been praying for 45 minutes that you would call on me."

[madrchsod]

10. facebook? now that`s a creditable source.....

[HamdenRice]

11. Actually, it's Google. Google doesn't lie.

It means Kucinich is most popular among Ron Paul supporters.

So he's got the 2012 primaries tied up -- assuming that the only people who turn out are the Ron Paul right and the UFO left.

Outside of those constituencies, he may have some trouble, because in the real world he generally polls around 4% -- that's 4 out of 100 Democrats.

[Starry Messenger]

15. .

[Democracyinkind]

13. The ones who really scare me aren't the cultists but the anticultists.

your vendetta is pathetic. At least you've switched to the B-side today, but I kind of expected that after the vote.

In a few days it will be the old "beware of the other cult" side.

Boooring.

[HamdenRice]

14. Yeah 'cause cults are so harmless

At least you recognize that Kuch has a cult.

[Democracyinkind]

34. Of course he has. It's just that that doesn't say anything about him.

It's the same with the fact that a bunch of wannabe John Galts like the way Kucinich talks and support some of his views. It doesn't necessarily say something about him.

The fact that you so vehemently bully people who behave a bit cultish about DK/WSWS says something about you, though. Makes me suspect that (a) you're a bit disappointed that you don't have your own cult or (b) that you are part of some other cult. You're never gonna bully anyone out of a cult. I can imagine that you have had rather frustrating experiences discussing things with dogmatic people and that has made you give up the idea of understanding other people from the perspective of the common ground that you share, but that's something everyone has to deal with sooner or later.

It's just that I suspect your vehemence just as much as I suspect the supposed "cultists".

[bigtree]

20. this is revealing

. . . your inane purpose here.

[HamdenRice]

24. You're right

Kucinich IS inane, and poking a stick in the Kucinich-UFO brigade's monkey cage is essentially an inane, but highly entertaining, past time.

[sabrina 1]

26. I'm sure Kucinich is worried. You are confusing him with

politicians who sell their souls to keep their jobs. Kucinich clearly cares more about doing the job he was elected to do. It must be difficult to be a person whose only satisfaction in life is to try to piss off strangers on the internet. Especially when all you do is make yourself look pathetic and sad.

It would be hard for someone who supports politicians willing to sell their constituents to whoever will pay them the most money, to understand a person who cannot be bribed. There's something very satisfying about knowing you're doing the right thing, no matter what happens.

Kucinich is one of those rare people and whether he runs or wins in the next election, he's done a great job while he's been there.

If he does run again, I will definitely be supporting him and working to find others like him to support. We need a hundred Kucinichs in Congress, then maybe this country could start to rebuild itself.

Oh yes, and thanks for reminding me to send him a donation and to send out emails to my list.

[suzie]

28. One hundred Kuciniches would mean absolutely nothing would

ever get passed, because you'd have 100 grandstanders who wouldn't vote for anyone else's legislation because they couldn't stand for anyone to get the credit.

And because they really don't care about legislation anyway, just about grandstanding. So 100 no-comprising, I'll vote against whatever gets passed because I can find something wrong with it Congresspersons. Wow, that's a recipe for good things to happen--if you love the Kucinich brand of all talk-no action legislating.

[bigtree]

29. actually 100 would hold quite a bit of sway in this Congress

The 57 members of the Progressive caucus were apparently not enough to influence the Democratic leadership in committee or on the floor, but I'd bet that 100 (holding firm like Rep. Kucinich did) would force the leadership to deliver what they promised instead of the half-loaf they've delivered so far.

[HamdenRice]

30. Nah. They'd be a herd of cats.

They could find something wrong with anything in order not to vote. Come on, Kuch voted against Amber alert, and State Children’s Health Insurance Program.

He's an asshole and if there were 100 of him there would be 100 assholes.

[bigtree]

32. we'll likely never know

Of course, that assumes that the political process which produced this health insurance rag was immaculate and unassailable.

[HamdenRice]

33. We'll never know because 96 out of 100 Democrats don't vote for the Kuch

Hard to get 100 Reps when you appeal to 4% of the electorate.

[bigtree]

39. He beat his closest challenger in his district primary handily

[sabrina 1]

35. Exactly, with 100 Kucinich's (more would be better)

we would probably not be at war in Iraq, and we would have a Single Payer Health Care system. But if you are not for those things, which I know the DLC is not, then of course 100 Kucinichs would be your worst nightmare. Apparently just one Kucinich is a nightmare for them.

[sabrina 1]

31. What a load of DLC garbage.

Have you ever looked at Kucinich's voting record? Or do you just make stuff up out of the DLC talking points book about to go after Progressives in Congress?

[suzie]

37. DLC--that's the standard Kucinichian insult, isn't it?

Funny thing, but I don't consider someone who votes all the time with Republicans a Progressive.

And I notice this morning that your fellow Kucinichians are already at work slandering Grayson, whom I think of as pretty progressive. But it seems there can only be one--Kucinich.

BTW, how many other "progressives" have voted with the Republicans in 2009?

[Flaneur]

41. Why don't you actually look at his voting record?

Instead of pulling things out of your ass. He votes Democratic about 90% of the time. He's highly rated by liberal groups. He does not "vote all the time with Republicans."

[suzie]

53. I have looked at his voting record.

He votes with Democrats for all those important issues, like "Teen Reading Week". Gosh,you caught me.

But on the other stuff, he has a long history of voting against lots of legislation that other Democrats, including progressives, support. Because he has some reason, justification, rationalization of why he's too pure to vote with the ordinary old Democrats.

[sabrina 1]

43. Just as I thought. You are simply repeating lies.

and have not looked at his voting record. Kuicinich this year, has voted with his party most of the time.

Maybe you should ask the other Democrats who voted with Republicans vile legislation like the MCI against Habeas Corpuse, on the War, on Health Care (mandates ARE a Republican policy) on increasing military spending, on continuing to fund two useless wars, why they do that?

When his Democratic Colleagues vote with Republicans for all these Republican issues, along with Republicans, THAT's when Kucinich doesn't go with over to the Republican side.

Now, you are probably going to bring up his vote against censuring the idiotic behavior of a Republican in Congress. What a childish practice that is, and I fully supported him. If only Democrats would eg, even give Cheney and Bush a slap on the wrist, I might forgive them for wasting time on that ridiculous vote.

But Kucinich votes WITH his party and has, except when his Party votes Republican. Next time check the record, it's not hard to find.

And while you're doing it, check out how other Democrats vote, some of it will make any real Democrat ill.

[suzie]

55. As I stated, I did look at Kucinich's record.

And good for you to support him on not censuring Joe Wilson.

We have a black president for the first time in the history of our nation. And a congressperson who is a member of the racist Sons of Confederate Veterans, from a state where the tradition of racism traces directly back to the antebellum fire-breathers, does the unprecedented action of calling out the President as a liar inside the U.S. Capitol.

And you want to excuse Dennis Kucinich for not thinking that's important? Sorry, I grew up asking why there were colored and white water fountains in the segregated South. I find it rather more difficult than you to dismiss the sour grapes attitude of a Congressman who didn't hesitate to let us all know how much he disliked the general lack of interest in his campaign.

But letting a Southern congressman whose attitude is a throwback to other times know that a shout out to his racist base was no longer acceptable. Why how good it is that Dennis Kucinich can't stoop to such trivial stuff.

Why have you looked at his voting record, to see that he never votes on trivial stuff, like resolutions on Teen Reading?

[sabrina 1]

57. Well, I'm sorry, but I can't get all uptight over a meaningless

waste of Congress' time with these 'don't be a naughty boy again, okay, now, what was that anti-abortion bill you needed us to help you with again'? nonsense.

Obama was right and so was Kucinich. He apologized, Obama accepted and we have far more important actual criminals who Congress does nothing about. It was nothing but a distraction.

Not a single word from Congressional Democrats eg, about the man who corrupted our Judicial System, Alberto Gonzales. Congress refuses to even hold hearings about Bush/Cheney's lies to get us into a devastating war or to hold the torturers accountable. Other countries are having to clean up the criminal mess they left behind.

Tell me when Congress is ready to even censure one of these criminals, and if Dennis votes against that, then I'll go after him. Meantime, he and Obama were right about that. Funny how I guessed something petty like that was what you really had in mind when you claimed, wrongfully, (glad you looked up since) that Kucinich 'never votes with Democrats'.

Over ONE MILLION Iraqis are dead! and 5000 US troops. When is Congress going to censure someone for THAT horrendous crime? If they had gone after Joe Wilson for his support of that crime, that would be something worthwhile. But this other nonsense is meaningless. It accomplishes nothing. He's still there isn't he, now a hero to the ignorant morons on the right.

As for Kucinich's record. I notice you have zero problem with all the Democrats (I can provide a list, but it's a long one) who voted with Republicans for Bush's policies over the past eight years, when only a few, like Kucinich voted against them.

12 Senate Democrats voted for the vile MCI. Where's the outrage from you over that? They voted against Habeas Corpus!!

And now we have the latest demonostration of how other Dems, and the leadership vote.

Weiner, Conyers and Kucinich added amendments to the Health Care bill. We all supported them.


But, speaking of votes to be upset over, Democrats took those amendments, both of them very progressive and what we were promised in the campaign, out of the bill.

Then Democrats added a Fundamentalist supported anti-women amendment instead.

But you're outraged over a silly childish, meaningless vote that will have zero affect on anyone's lives and most people have forgotten about already.

The votes I mentioned above, when Democrats joined Republicans and cast those votes, they insured that human beings would have no right to Habeas Corpus and could be tortured behind prison walls with no recourse to any justice. They voted for the deaths of our troops and hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

No I can't get upset over the incredibly insignificant and meaningless games such as the Wilson vote. The War Vote, the MIC, the Fisa Vote, Bush's nominees and so much more, that's where I look to see what Democrats voted with Republicans.

What has happened to Democrats, is this really a Democratic board anymore? When a Congressman stands up for human rights, and demands accountability from his government, he's the bad guy on this board now? It wasn't that way when I first found this place.

[suzie]

61. First, let me say that I've read about the Kucinich record of voting with Republicans

and Democrats previously. But since you seem to think that having a racist diss our first black President is such a minor matter which the high-minded Dennis Kucinich couldn't condescend to deal with, I thought that perhaps he never votes on minor things like resolutions about Teen Reading or historical dates.

But it turns out that he votes on meaningless resolutions all the time. And Kucinich-heads may want to deem it a "distraction" when the first Congressman does a shout out to the racist base, but that was a test. It was the start of a way to undermine Obama as President, to undercut him as "the black guy". Nancy Pelosi, as the first woman Speaker, seemed quite aware of what was happening, even if Kucinich-heads are unwilling to admit it.

Kucinich's actions in the Wilson resolution seemed like the sour grapes of a marginalized candidate for the Presidency who is still throwing a tantrum because just about no one wanted him as a Democratic candidate.

And how hypocritical to even bring up anti-abortion votes while lauding a man who was among the most horrific anti-abortion officials for what-30 years? Sorry, Kucinich was so desperate for the limelight of the presidential campaign that he sold his beliefs out when he overnight discovered that he was pro-choice.

Kucinich-heads can make their apologies for that sudden switch all they want, but I saw Kucinich speak in 2003--as did many other old lady Democrats like myself, who remember the days before Roe v. Wade. Kucinich is still acting like it was the 1960s when it was the thing to stand up and rail about everything.

Well, there were some of us in every room where he spoke that remember those days also, and we would have stood up and booed him. "Hey, hey, DK, how many women will you kill today?" He wouldn't have been able to mount a second vanity presidential campaign in 2008, so suddenly he became pro-choice.

In fact, Kucinich's votes in the Wilson case and his constant rants against the Democrats make me believe that he simply never moved on beyond the 60s and 70s, when women were supposed to run mimeograph machines and hand out flyers and know their place. And when it came to rights for women, the Dennis Kucinich-white males were totally uninterested. It was where the Women's Movement began.

Dennis held onto those anti-women beliefs for another 35 years. So please don't make the usual apologies for Dennis Kucinich and at the same time make a big deal about Democrats and anti-abortion politics.

[Forkboy]

63. Hate - It's not just for breakfast anymore.

[suzie]

64. That's what I thought too, when I saw Joe Wilson say "you lie".

But apparently Barack Obama deserves racist hatemongering in our very Capitol--at least according to the Kucinich apologizers.

[Forkboy]

65. The country deserves more than a symbolic and ultimately meaningless spanking.

The issue was a waste of their time, an empty gesture that has no impact on any every day American. Do you really think Wilson and the Repubs learned anything? Do you really think they saw the error of their ways?

Meanwhile, while politicians jerk off over things like this, Americans are still homeless, still unemployed, still up to their eyes in debt. How did this action help any of them?

Apparenlty wanking off instead of doing things that actually help Americans is ok--at least to the Kucinich haters.

[suzie]

66. If one disagrees at all with a Kucinich supporter on a message board, one is labeled a hater, or

any number of other slurs.

However, when the opposition decides to start demeaning the President, to undermine him within the very chambers of the Congress, it's meaningless.

Very, very strange.

[bigtree]

27. now you're just being a jerk

do you really want to be taken seriously here, HamdenRice?

[SIMPLYB1980]

36. Can't take the heat...

then get out of the kitchen.

[bigtree]

40. right on cue

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[HughMoran]

42. Yes, it's called differing position

Nobody is forcing you to post in every single thread criticizing (fairly or not) Dennis Kucinich. You're not superior to anybody here, you just have a different opinion (and we all have one of those - if you get my drift.)

[bigtree]

45. the gang's all here

. . . inspiring.

[HughMoran]

47. Yes, you are

It's a childish web you spin - hypocrisy is apparently not a term you've ever heard of.

[bigtree]

52. I see

You stir up shit on Kucinich and expect no one here to respond - like you're some sort of sage. Pathetic.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. LOL

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[Political Heretic]

46. Isn't it funny how threatening those who speak truth to power are to establishment interests?

I find it amusing the number of people saying that Kucinich is just "all talk" - as though the voice of truth to power is insignificant.

If that's true, then its hard to reconcile the amount of attention and furor Kuchinich generates among establishment Democrats.

The ladies doth protest too much, methinks.

Saying that Kunchinich doesn't get anything done is, in my mind, not so much an indictment of Kuchinich, as it is an indictment of our establishment party that serves the rich and privileged first, and throws scraps and crumbs to the rest.

I guess the difference between me and the detractors is that, I do think that the political gadflys, the truth tellers, and those severing as voice for the working class America that I know and love serve a serious and meaningful purpose.

And that is they remind us of truth, and don't let establishment democrats as easily ignore their guilty consciences.

[Ignis]

48. More baiting?

Surely you're a master by now. :P

[HamdenRice]

49. So the fact that the Kuch is more popular among Ron Paul sites than any other

is "baiting"? Facts without commentary about the Kuch are now "baiting"?

[Ignis]

50. No, I'm sure you hate DK because he's a BAD Democrat.

And that's why you've been posting about his horrible, horrible record as a Democratic politician.

Again...
And again...
And again....

Nothing to see here! No worse Democratic politicians trouble us! Move along!

:shrug:

Well, that's one option, anyway.

[WeDidIt]

54. Palin has a better chance of winning in 2012

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

If people are really sick of the 2 party system, have I got a third party candidate for them:

[mmonk]

56. If Palin has a better chance, what does that say about America?

[Forkboy]

58. Good. Will you guys finally stop your incessent whining about him then?

[Ignis]

59. Perhaps, until the next "compromise."

You know, those "compromises" that always seem to drag us to the right, never to the left. Funny, that. :eyes:

So the next time we need a distraction from the increasingly corporatist, Republican-Lite flavor of our party, some proud "centrist" will surely drag DK out for another whipping. It's a proven method for sowing discord among Democrats, belittling the accomplishments of a Democratic congressman, and pissing off progressives/liberals within the party--many of whom worked their asses off to elect our Democratic president.

I'm not sure if that's the goal, but that's certainly the outcome. :shrug:

[truedelphi]

60. + 1. n/t