Why do advocates for reproductive rights never come on shows and accurately

[Skidmore]

represent that abortions are quite often a medical necessity? Why do they never educate the public on the conditions under which a woman is forced to choose for medical reasons? Why do they never discuss the plight of a victim of incest or rape? Why is there no concurrent discussion of all the throwaway children in the adoption and child welfare systems? Or the children that are outside the system and on the streets? Why are we not having these discussion in the mainstream of public discourse?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. Because You're Wrong In Stating That It Is Required 'Often'.

At least in comparison anyway.

The total needs of those types of abortions are still by far in the minority as it relates to the reasons for abortion overall.

[Sal Minella]

4. And you are so adamantly sure of this how???

"You're wrong" is an awfully strong statement in a field where the statistics and case numbers are so loosey-goosey.

Congratulations on being so firm in your beliefs, but I believe you're wrong, and I am just as firm in that belief.

Cases of incest and/or rape and/or life-threatening genetic aberrations should be allowed immediate abortions at the request of the woman, not consigned to months and months of courtroom-hearing hell, at the bidding of ignorant men who seem to think every glob of cells is magically going to be a candidate for Harvard (or the Great American War Machine, whichever).

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. How? Cause It's Fact.

I generally am sure of things that are fact.

You might want to do some research...

[niyad]

11. you might want to try the same thing--or, since you state that you have done so already,

please give us the links to the legitimate and reliable sites that back up your claim.

and even if women did have abortions for kicks, as you seem to be implying, it is NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. LMAO.

You know that almost everyone here knows what I'm stating to actually be a fact, correct? Therefore, proving it to the wee little minority that hasn't educated themselves enough on the topic to see that is largely irrelevant to me.

And I said women have abortions for kicks? Wow! Who know?

And the whole noyfb argument is always pathetic in relation to a debate like this. It's weak and a total cop out.

[niyad]

20. no, there is no fact--only your frigging assertions, which are not proven to be fact.

and NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS IS exactly the point of a decision between a woman and her doctor, PERIOD.

give up trying your jerkwater tricks--have been in this fight way too long to take your kind of bs seriously.

[Electric Monk]

25. Got a link for that?

didn't think so.

[tekisui]

7. What definition of required are you using.

I say, if a woman wants it, it is required. It is her decision, and the service is required.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. "I say, if a woman wants it, it is required"

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[Sal Minella]

16. "If I believe it, it is a fact."

Thank goodness only a tiny wee minority believes that any off-the-wall prejudice they happen to hold is an Incontrovertible Fact.

Bye.

[The Magistrate]

24. Why You Find That Funny, Sir, Quite Escapes Me: If The Woman Wants It, It Is Her Choice

Her decision it is what she wants makes it required. That really is all there is to it.

[niyad]

26. disgusting that you think that statement is funny. actually, that describes your whole so-called

argument that women have abortions for frivolous reasons.

remdi95

[T Wolf]

2. Whether it is a "medical necessity" is irrelevant, or should be. It IS an issue of basic

civil rights.

No more and certainly no less.

Trying to "finesse" the issue with exceptions and conditions and limitations and debate about "viability" only complicates what should be a simple, clear decision - should a woman be able to control her own body.

Yes or no?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. +1

[sinkingfeeling]

3. Because what and who we see on TV is controlled by for-profit corporations that are supported by the

right wing.

[Jim__]

6. Medical decisions are private.

I imagine a lot of women would not want to share that information publicly, especially given the subsequent harassment they will face from the troglodytes.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. Not always true. There have been several actions were women who have had abortions

publicly told their stories. I have done so several times.

[Jim__]

10. I realize that some women do. I just think it takes tremendous courage, ...

... given the unfortunate politics of our time.

[excess_3]

12. not if you want the public to pay .nt

[lukasahero]

15. Really?

So when you're on medicare, your right to privacy is revoked? Your medical records become public? Hmmm. I did not know that.

[excess_3]

19. insurance companies value your privacy

lol

[Luminous Animal]

21. I think you should answer the question.

When you start receiving Medicare, do I have the right to know your medical history and your current treatment?

Do I get to know if you have anal itching?
A prolapsed uterus?
Erectile dysfunction?
Loose bowels?
A leaky bladder?
A third nipple?

[PVnRT]

17. You're assuming that the media wants to hear that opinion

Ratings are driven by people screaming ABORTION IS MURDER! and having to defend it from that angle, rather than have a rational discussion.

[ChoppinBroccoli]

18. I Wonder Why More People Don't Take A Pragmatic Approach To It

Back when I was forming my opinion on abortion, the one piece of evidence that led me to become Pro Choice was the following fact (and it's so ridiculously easy-to-understand that I can't believe we don't hear it more often): Women who want to have abortions ARE GOING TO HAVE THEM ANYWAY. If you make it illegal, all you're doing is forcing these women to take horribly unsafe measures to end their pregnancies, like using coat hangers or throwing themselves down flights of stairs or whatever. Face it: women who want abortions are going to get them. Let's at least make them safe.

The nice thing about this argument is that you can turn one of their own arguments back against them. Remind them that the gun nuts all claim that if we outlaw guns, criminals will still manage to get them anyway. Same thing with abortion. Women that want them are going to get them one way or another. You'll never rid society of abortions simply by banning them. Then throw their own slogan back in their faces: "If you outlaw abortions, only outlaws will have abortions."

Then you can take the next step and REALLY make a right-winger's blood boil: tell them that you would be OK with banning abortion, just as long as right-wingers agreed to pay more in taxes to support all these unwanted children. You and I both know that they'd NEVER agree to THAT. They want the babies to be born. They don't much care what happens the second after they leave the birth canal. All they know is they don't want THEIR "hard-earned" tax dollars (have you noticed that they're always "hard-earned"?) being used to feed children that THEY forced other people to have.

In fact, I'd go so far as to play the whole "personal responsibility" angle on them. I'd tell them, OK, if you want abortions banned, we'll do that. But here's the compromise. If you're against abortion, you have to petition the Government to ban them by putting your name on a list. Then you're going to take personal responsibility for your beliefs, since your "belief" is going to force SOMEONE ELSE to change THEIR lifestyles, while YOUR lifestyle doesn't change at all. So after abortions are banned, and all these women start having unwanted children, we're going to go to the list. First of all, every person who's on that list will evenly split the cost it will require to care for, feed, clothe, and educate all these new children. So your taxes will be going up, probably by a lot. Second, every unwanted child born under this new abortion ban, instead of being placed in a State-sponsored orphanage, will be placed with an adoptive family. Guess where we'll be getting the names of all these new foster parents. Hey, I know it sucks, but YOU'RE the Party of "personal responsibility," riiiiiiight?

And then, if that list idea goes over well, we'll make another list of people who support the war, and when we need more troops to do some fighting on foreign soil, guess where we'll get those names.

Hey, I'm all for personal responsibility, and I believe that people should take personal responsibility for their OWN votes and beliefs, since the vast majority of the people who preach "personal responsibility" seem to think that it's just something OTHER PEOPLE should take.

[Justitia]

22. Women don't need to "justify" their personal decisions to anyone - why go down that road?

There will always be someone who will "disagree" w/a woman's private decisions regarding her own life & body - no matter the circumstance.

By even opening the door to the most reasonable circumstances you list, you have given someone moral authority to judge any woman's decisions & actions.

When you allow others to sit in judgment and / or approval of her decisions and actions, you have taken away the moral agency & self-determination of ALL women.

No woman on the planet needs to justify her decisions and actions regarding her own body.

[Warren DeMontague]

23. Probably the same reason the media all but ignored 1.2 Million marchers in DC on April 25, 2004.

Namely, the fact that most Americans are pro-choice doesn't gel with their bullshit memes on "all powerful values voters". :eyes: