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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:24 AM
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President Obama and healthcare; damned if he does, damned if he doesn't...
And I feel that he's doing as much as he can with the shitstorm he has been cast into.

The President is getting as much as he can through compromise and dealing with every angle of this mess, and I feel damned sure he worked his ass off to get just that much.

He's got Republicans up his ass, calling him a traitor who'll be the death of us all, and then on top of that he's got Blue Dog scumbags fighting his every move for a piece of THEIR pie, not to mention outright pricks like Lieberman willing to throw a wrench in the whole works just for kicks (and kickbacks).

On the other side, he's got Kucinich and his merry band of "left is best" jerks saying if the bill ain't perfect, screw it! (Kucinich, by the way, voted "against"...nice knife sticking out of the Presidents back, I say).

And on top of that you've got the religious politicians who'd rather kill the bill than offer any compromise to "abortion is murder, and health care makes it state sanctioned!", so he's got that whole whack-a-doo contingent to deal with.

You say the President hasn't done anything, *I* say the President is dealing with a system that sucks and is far worse than it was in the past (at least you could get SOME bipartisanship back in the day...now? FUGETABOUTIT).

And that on top of inheriting the crap Bush left behind, and the resulting America which is half the country I remember it to be (mostly because half the country wants to freakin rebel and overthrow!).

If I were Barack Obama I'd probably want to blow my own head off right about now, God Bless him for continuing to strive for change (I can only imagine some nights he retires thinking "this is just impossible").
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:33 AM
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1. i don't think enough appreciate how hard his job is.
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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:35 AM
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2. I definitely do, more and more every day when I read about what he's up against! nt
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:43 AM
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3. It might kill us all, but he is doing what needs to be done (the way it needs to be done)
I have decided to invest in that pink cement antacid.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:53 AM
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4. A lot of people are not happy about the Blue Dogs.
So what will be said about the Blue Dogs? Corruption still lingers?
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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:30 AM
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5. More importantly, what can be done about them? nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:35 AM
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:37 AM
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7. Wow. So Kucinich and the extreme-left sliver
of the Democratic party should be privileged from criticism?

Okay Commissar, send me to the gulag!
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:45 AM
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9. Not from criticism---from the obviously orchestrated attacks we're seeing en masse on here.
Dennis doesn't represent the extreme left sliver of the party----check your poll numbers on single payer and the public option.

The fact that you're willing to skew this, shows me you're not on the up and up in your criticism of Dennis and the "extreme-left sliver." Your tactics will not work here--you're not going to convince Democratic Underground that we're "just like the teabaggers" for supporting a true progressive with a great track record.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:50 AM
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10. This post took a swipe at just about everyone.
Why do you assume that every piece of criticism of Kucinich et al is part of a grand conspiracy?
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:56 AM
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14. He's a paid stDennis "operative".
You see, according to him that's the only reason someone would defend President Obama.... because they are paid to do so.
So I'm saying that he is paid to support stDennis.

He's been spewing this shit for days. It's disgusting.
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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:21 AM
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11.  I'm no troll.
Edited on Tue Nov-10-09 11:31 AM by DaveinJapan
I really talk like that.

I wrote it, and that's how I feel.

Perhaps I could've spent more time coming up with something more catchy or memorable, but I was in the midst of a thought and that's the way I wrote it.

I'm not a troll and I resent the implication. For the most part, I'm pissed at the Republicans and the Blue Dogs and particularly at the fence sitters like Lieberman, but yes I also feel that the Left adds to the stress President Obama faces every day, since he doesn't have one single section of supporters he can simply rely on.

So I reject your bullshit sentiment towards me, my comments were entirely sincere and you can take your "awkward" and "dead giveaway" crap and shove it up your ass.

I continue to support the President on this, I feel he is doing all he can under the circumstances.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:53 AM
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13. Oh for pete's sake.
I think you are a paid stDennis operative for all the shit you spew about other "operatives".
You denigrate everyone who defends Obama to cover up for your own paid status.

Give it a rest already.

Many of us genuinely like the President and think he is doing a good job and we don't have to be paid to say it.
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DaveinJapan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 06:44 PM
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15. I guess my checks have all been lost in the mail.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 10:42 AM
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8. You cannot feel sorry for Obama about the Blue Dogs and Republicans
I feel sorry for us that Obama took on this failed strategy of sucking up to right-wing reactionaries in both parties.

He courted them, wined and dined them, took their sides against the left, and appointed them in droves to his administration. If they betray Obama now, it is Obama's fault for exposing his jugular to them. The left had nothing to do with it.

Meanwhile, the "left is best" crowd that you so joyously slam have been left out in the cold, our bargaining chips frittered away for pennies, shut out out of negotiations, and we have to put up with Rahm up our ass telling us to capitulate whenever we try to take a stand for the American people.

So who is being a "jerk" here"? Certainly not the left!
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 11:26 AM
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12. I don't want to let Obama become another Clinton.
I am not another Clinton basher, but I don't want to let a good person become President of the United States (while so many bad ones strive for it) and then turn his back on his principles.

To help keep him on track, I will criticize him openly.
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