hr 3926 text: lol read it.

[Hannah Bell]

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf

[ProleNoMore]

1. 3296 Was The Version That Was Passed Unless I Am Mistaken

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[Hannah Bell]

2. you're right. shit. he's still reading *this* one. & i have to find text & commentary on the

new one.

which is about 1000 pages longer.

[ProleNoMore]

4. Sorry - I Was Just Trying To Help - Did Not Want You To Waste Your Time

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[Hannah Bell]

6. no problem. glad you did.

[Hannah Bell]

5. apparently it's so new no one's spent 3 months wading through it.

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf


first thing i noticed in a quick browse (lol) = they're using the fraud of "productivity increases" to limit medicare & other reimbursements.

[truedelphi]

7. I've gotten through the first 32 pages and right away

I noticed that they talk about how this will limit and make manageable the spending on health care costs. (Page Two I think it was.)

But since they have structured all the payments on the exorbitant assigned costs already in effect, it won't do a thing about that.

[Hannah Bell]

10. sites like this could actually do a public service by dividing these monstrosities up, having

inividuals take a section & translate it into plain language.

i noticed this section, for example:

INCORPORATING PRODUCTIVITY IMPROVEMENTS INTO MARKET BASKET UPDATES THAT DO NOT ALREADY INCORPORATE SUCH IMPROVEMENTS.

which, per cbo, means this:

"The bill would put into effect (or leave in effect) a number of procedures that might be difficult tomaintain over a long period of time. It would leave in place the 21 percent reduction in the payment rates for physicians currently scheduled for 2010.

At the same time, the bill includes a number of provisions that would constrain payment rates for other providers of Medicare services.

In particular, increases in payment rates for many providers would be held BELOW THE RATE OF INFLATION (IN EXPECTATION OF ONGOING PRODUCTIVITY IMPROVEMENTS IN THE DELIVERY OF HEALTH CARE)."

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10688/hr3962Rangel.pdf.


I read this as:

1. defunding medicare
2. reductions in medical personnel

am i wrong?

[truedelphi]

13. It sounds to me like you are right, & Obama himself has commented

On how by making "improvements" to the Medicare scheme of things, the costs can be constrained.

It is really a piece of crap bill. I have not felt this irritated, angry or annoyed since about March 15th 2003 when I realized that all the letter writing, parade attending, peace sign holding that I had done had acomplished (Along with the millions of others beside me) A BIG FAT NOTHING. And that Iraq would be under Shock and Awe in just days.

[ProleNoMore]

15. I Came To The Same Conclusion Just About The Same Time

Since then, call myself a Progressive Independent because the democratic party is so beholden to the DLC and corporate interests.

[truedelphi]

26. Must say, your new nomenclature deserves

A :toast:

[Hannah Bell]

16. i had the same experience. spent a year standing on the street every weekend,

organizing a teach-in, putting out flyers, letter-writing, hosting speakers who'd been to iraq-

not to mention getting screamed at and flipped off by flag-wavers - and nearly run over once -

no results except i met one nice conservative catholic whose son was in the service.

3 more years of having to endure "liberal" & clinton jokes in the cafeteria before the reactionary "professionals" i work with started catching on to what a disaster bush was.

a year of solid work, hundreds of dollars spent, no results. i hear ya.

We were right about everything, & still the sick fucks won't admit it. and we're still there.

[truedelphi]

27. I deeply appreciate that so many people were out there fighting the good cause.

Sorry to hear that you had life endangering experiences. I lived in Marin at that time, and those activities, though laudable, were really preaching to the choir.

[notesdev]

3. why read it when you can...

have a sing-along!

Everybody together now -

"H - R - thirty-two hundred,
America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009,
To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans
and reduce the growth in health care spending,
and for other purposes."

[Egnever]

8. LOL You have a very strange aversion to reading this thing yourself

So much so that you are going to listen to a christian home schooler conservative who isn't even reading the correct version of the bill.

On top of that this guy thinks its going to take him weeks to read it. LOL

I've read kindergarten books with more words per page than this bill. If it were really utilizing the pages as a normal book did I doubt this thing would be 80 pages.

[Hannah Bell]

11. kindergarten book. uh-huh.

879
•HR 3962 IH

‘‘(5) UPDATING OF ENDORSED MEASURES.

— 1
The Secretary may use amounts made available
under subsection (f) to fund the updating (and test-
ing, if applicable) by consensus-based entities of
quality measures that have been previously endorsed
by such an entity as new evidence is developed, in
a manner consistent with section 1890(b)(3).

‘‘(d) QUALIFIED ENTITIES.—Before entering into
agreements with a qualified entity, the Secretary shall en-
sure that the entity is a public, private, or academic insti-
tution with technical expertise in the area of health quality
measurement.

‘‘(e) APPLICATION FOR GRANT.—A grant may be
made under this section only if an application for the
grant is submitted to the Secretary and the application
is in such form, is made in such manner, and contains
such agreements, assurances, and information as the Sec-
retary determines to be necessary to carry out this section.

‘‘(f) FUNDING.—

‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall provide
for the transfer, from the Federal Hospital Insur-
ance Trust Fund under section 1817 and the Fed-
eral Supplementary Medical Insurance Trust Fund
under section 1841 (in such proportion as the Sec-
retary determines appropriate), of $25,000,000, to
the Secretary for purposes of carrying out this sec-
tion for each of the fiscal years 2010 through 2014.

[robinlynne]

14. (d) or any church.

[Hannah Bell]

17. ?

[robinlynne]

18. An ammendment was included making "prayer" an official form of medical treatment

Any religious group can charge for prayer and faith healing and be covered.

[Hannah Bell]

19. link? it's not in this section of the bill.

[robinlynne]

20. . there were several big articles about it in the news 2 days ago.

here on Du it was talked about, and maybe huffington post.

[Hannah Bell]

21. i google but only find a couple of non-authoritative references,

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22hr+3926%22+%22prayer+treatments%22

are you sure it made it into the bill?

[robinlynne]

22. actually it is going to be in the senate bill, not this one. It was a deal brokered with

the christian science church. They cure people with prayer instead of doctors......
authored by JOhn Kerry. I'm sure it was about campaign money or something like that. The church is headquartered in Boston, but of course it will be avialable to all churches.

[Hannah Bell]

23. ok, so it's not in this one. gotcha.

[Egnever]

24. How many pages of the bill was that?

glad to see you are finaly getting off your ass and reading it yourself though.

[Hannah Bell]

25. gratuitous rudeness. typical of the type.

[Garbo 2004]

9. HR 3962 is the bill number. nt

[Hannah Bell]

12. you're late.