I for one am tired being ignored

[maxpower]

I am a bleeding heart liberal, yeah I say it with pride. Our party has abandoned us. They, with the exception of a few, have marginalized us. I don't know about the rest of you liberals, but I am finding it very hard to deal with what is going on. Look to Europe, they have very liberal policies and they fucking work.

I love Abe Lincoln, but maybe he should have said fuck you to the south. We had manufacturing and farming. The south lost because they couldn't keep up. If he had let them go, they would have been begging to come back. But fuck the Red states, sorry to my DU friends who happen to live in the south.

The south has done nothing but put a burr in our saddles, and they killed Kennedy. Look at a financial map, who is supporting this country, the blue states. Sorry for the negative rant, but I am getting pretty fed up. We have a majority in the senate yet that asshole Lieberman is going to fuck up health care, because he is an insurance man.

Sorry for the negativity, but I've had enough.


Peace,
Max

[customerserviceguy]

1. Everybody in the South killed Kennedy?

I'm still under the apparently mistaken impression that one man, Lee Harvey Oswald, did this. Of course, it depends on which conspiracy theory you subscribe to. Maybe you know of one that the whole of the the Southern people were part of?

[wtmusic]

2. Hey it's only 11/9

Say that in another week and you'll have a whole thread of responses to contend with :silly:

[maxpower]

12. I hope your right

Peace,
Max

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. At least I've finally been given a glimpse into who "They" are. I've always wondered.

Who KNEW that the south could be considered "TPTB"?

[maxpower]

7. Sorry what does TPTB mean?

I merely meant that the South, and other places, have screwed the progressive agenda. LBJ lost the south when he passed civil rights. We (liberals) are still paying the price. Of course it was worth it. The right keeps telling them that they will be rich, hence their reluctance for a fair income tax.


Peace,
Max

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. TPTB = The Powers That Be... "they killed Kennedy" Now I know who "They" are.

[maxpower]

22. That wasn't the point I was trying to make

I don't want to get into the whole Kennedy thing.

Peace,
Max

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. You said "they killed Kennedy". You blamed it on the "south".

I got your point.

[maxpower]

25. Where was he killed?

Peace,
Max

[customerserviceguy]

26. Robert F. Kennedy

was killed in California, was it the fault of the all the people of that state that it happened there?

Am I making a point here, or just posting into the thin air that makes up your thought processes?

[cherokeeprogressive]

28. And Harvey Milk was killed in San Francisco. Feinstein, Pelosi, and their ilk? n/t

[maxpower]

68. You forgot MLK

Where was he killed?

[maxpower]

31. You are correct

Peace,
Max

[tblue]

34. I know what you're trying to say, Max.

I feel the exact same way. I wish all rightwingers would hole up in one region and go ahead and secede.

We'll keep San Francisco, Hawaii, New York, Harvard, Stanford, Silicon Valley, Hollywood, Chicago, Yosemite, and Disneyland. We'll even take the Mexicans and LGBT people and abortion providers they hate so much. They can have their guns in their bars and churches and National Parks (if they even have National Parks), Baby Jesus in the courthouse, prayer in schools, and the Ten Commandments in the halls of government, plus all the weapons systems, abstinence teachings, and high fructose corn syrup they could ever want. I couldn't care less how they wanna live. I really feel they are a tremendous cultural drain on all the rest of us and I frankly am tired of them constantly working against the rest of us as we try to move this country forward.

[customerserviceguy]

40. Funny, that's what the Confederates wanted

nearly a hundred and fifty years ago, to just be left alone to practice their "peculiar institution".

I'm glad that Abraham Lincoln did what he did, and that we have one United States as the result of it.

[tblue]

55. I'm not. Tired of being tethered to Neanderthals. nt

[Jamastiene]

100. Lol, you think YOU are tethered to them?

Try living down here and fighting them on a daily basis just to be run over and beat down. It isn't any easier for your southern counterparts down here. We are outnumbered and surrounded by idiots every single day. Yet, we keep trudging along and trying our best. Geez, NC went blue in '08. Do you realize what kind of fucking miracle that was?

[maxpower]

87. Do you think slavery would have prevailed

Kind of like apartheid did in South Africa. Point well taken

[customerserviceguy]

110. Yes, it would have prevailed

Probably not until the last half of the Twentieth Century, WWII (or WWI) might have changed the factors involved, but surely African-Americans would today be in the shape that they were during the Jim Crow years today.

I mention the World Wars because they would have united us in a common cause, and there would have been influence from the Confederacy to the Union, and vice-versa during those times. If you think of the similarities and differences between the US and Canada, I can imagine that the same comparisons and contrasts would have existed, had there been a split.

But on the other hand, would a separated United States have been able to prevail against the Kaiser or Hitler? If you take the view that unity makes you stronger, then a unified United States as it currently exists is more than the sum of two parts that might have emerged if there had not been a Civil War.

[maxpower]

42. Thank You

I no my ran relied on generalizations, but a fact is a fact from Nome to Rome.



Peace,
Max

[maxpower]

86. Thin air

[cherokeeprogressive]

27. Oh wow. You got me there. Fuck the South!

After all, they killed Kennedy.

Sheesh.

[maxpower]

43. He was killed in the south

yeah it was a broad stroke....but still

[maxpower]

48. What I meant was

He was killed in the South. I know not all southerners feel that way, it was a gross generalization. Again, I am sorry. Let's get off the Kennedy thing and read the rest of the post.

Peace,
Max

[maxpower]

29. Of course it wasn't the Southern people

Although Lee Harvey spent a lot of time in the South. I just making point.

[maxpower]

30. I hope you realize that no my point

Hell a southern sympathizer killed lincon,

[maxpower]

4. I am not saying that

And I apologize if I offended any of my brothers and sisters in the south. That was not my point. And this is not the forum for conspiracy theories. I would like a definitive answer but that is not going to happen.


Peace,
Max

[customerserviceguy]

15. Well, your statement was full of vitriol for the South

I just picked on the least defensible part of it.

Maybe you ought to apologize for pretty much everything you said in your original post, if it refers to the feelings of anyone, it refers to those who are long gone dead, and really doesn't have dick shit to to with people currently living in the South.

I'm not a Southerner, but I think that if I were, I'd be pretty offended by what you had to say.

[maxpower]

21. I am sorry

But who fucked up 2000. Please except my humble apologies. My point was the left panders to get votes.

Peace,
Max

[Uncle Joe]

24. The corporate media; because Al Gore championed opening up the Internet for the American People,

thereby empowering the people to go over, around or through their corporate media filter.

[maxpower]

70. Blame the victim

That is a great idea.

[Uncle Joe]

75. You believe the corporate media are the victim? n/t

[maxpower]

79. No Al Gore was

[Uncle Joe]

85. My post wasn't blaming Al Gore, it was blaming the corporate media while giving the primary reason

for their vitriolic behavior toward him, I call it the Prometheus Affect, if you like, I can give you the full blown essay.

[maxpower]

93. I know what the Promotheus Affect is.

The same vitriol is spewed against most Dems. The election was called by Bush's cousin on Fox no less. The last eight years would have been a lot better without Bush. Thanks Florida.

[Uncle Joe]

95. Without the corporate media's near two year war against Gore's credibility by using continuous

slander and libel against him prior to the selection, the race would never have been close enough for Bush to steal.

It was the Florida Supreme Court which called for a full state wide recount, it was the U.S. Supreme Court which determined that voting by different methods was ok but counting the ballots wasn't and that an arbitrary date was more important than determining the will of the people.

Al Gore won Florida but lost the U.S. Supreme Court battle to have the ballots counted.

[Individualist]

59. Who fucked up 2000? DIEBOLD!

[maxpower]

84. Diebold did exactly what they were hired to do

Unfortunately they achieved their goal.

[tblue]

35. Aw geez. Give the guy a break. He's sorry. PC Police, take five.

[customerserviceguy]

41. The statement that the South killed JFK

is full of as much nonsense as the assertion that equal marriage is going to harm straight marriage. Sorry if that makes me "PC".

[maxpower]

97. Apple and oranges

[Jamastiene]

102. Honestly, I think I understood what you were trying to say.

We are frustrated down here too. You think it's bad to be outside looking in at this stupid shit. Try living amidst it. You'll go bald from pulling your hair out, get high blood pressure from the stress, learn to duck when they get drunk and start shooting their guns off all hours of the day and night, and hide when you see certain ones coming toward you, because you are sick of being told you are going to hell and preached at and you know that's what they are going to do. You know which ones are going to do it before you actually meet them. You can tell by the glazed over look in their eyes. You see them coming and can spot that shit from a mile away. You KNOW they are going to preach at you. You learn to not make complete and full eye contact until you've discerned whether or not they have the glazed look. If they do, you quickly avoid eye contact and get the fuck away as soon as you can.

You think it's easy for southerners who have evolved to live amidst all the Neanderthal Republinazis who haven't evolved yet? Hell, they act like something is wrong with US! They'd shit in their hands and throw it at us if we didn't at least civilize them that much. Do you realize what kind of miracle it is they don't throw dung in the Halls of Congress? It took us decades to civilize them enough to not embarrass us that way. It may take decades or even centuries more for them to evolve and stop all their shit. Please, I beg of you, come down here and help us potty train them, at least. Throw us a line here, huh?

[imdjh]

6. Well, he was a yankee. nt

[maxpower]

10. From my state of Illinois

If anyone is interested they are erecting bronze of Lincoln statues of his circuit he rode as a circuit court attorney. I have a picture of my child at 4 of them. She love Abe and has since she was 5.



Peace,
Max

[imdjh]

14. Kennedy was from Illinois?

[maxpower]

20. I don't think he was

Bit the Kennedy's still own the Merchandise mart, one of the biggest building in the sates.



Peace,
Max

[proteus_lives]

37. Didn't Kennedy's dad steal the election for him in Illinois?

;-)

[maxpower]

69. Didn't Bush's brother steal the elections for Bush?

Or was it Katherine Harris.

[Louisiana1976]

17. +1

[Cetacea]

51. No conspiracy: people in the south cheered when JFK was shot. Cheered!

It was the best place to pull it off. Bobby and MLK weren't presidents and didn't have the massive ..ahem..."security" that JFK did.

[redqueen]

72. Oh really? Prove it. (nt)

[Freddie Stubbs]

57. It was LBJ. They guy some DUers want Obama to be more like

[maxpower]

71. Your proof is?

I thought there was no conspiracy, LHO acted alone.

[redqueen]

74. Many DUers fucking LOVE to bash the South.

I say fuck 'em... they're obviously not too bright, so let em enjoy their hatred & bigotry.

[customerserviceguy]

78. Quite true

It's sad to see. And they wonder why folks from flyover country don't want to work with them.

[maxpower]

80. Like who?

[anonymous171]

92. IT WAS THE KNIGHTS OF THE GOLDEN CIRCLE! I´M SERIES!1!

[Jamastiene]

101. DU Civil War Battle 3,653

NEXT!

[Kaleva]

108. The grassy knoll was packed that day.

[babylonsister]

5. Yuck. I don't feel abandoned, or ignored. Legislation is difficult, as is ruling

a country with so many problems created by the previous admin. I'm not giving up nothin', but you give up too easily. I refuse to, especially after idiot son.

[bbinacan]

8. A few points about the South

Not all of us are rednecks. Get off your high horse. The South ultimately lost because Lincoln was shrewd enough to declare the Emancipation Proclamation
which, by the way, kept England and France from siding with the South. And Lincoln's address only freed the slaves in Confederate States, but not in the North.

[imdjh]

16. some more

Won't you come with me to Alabamy
Let's go see my dear old Mammy
She's fryin' eggs and boiling hammy
That's what I like about the South

Now there you can make no mistakey
Where those nerves are never shaky
Ought to taste her layer cakey
That's what I like about the South

She's got baked ribs and candied yams
Those sugar-cured Virginia hams
Basement full of those berry jams
An' that's what I like about the South

Hot corn bread, black-eyed peas
You can eat as much as you please
'Cause it's never out of season
That's what I like about the South

Aahhh, don't take one, have two
There's dark brown and chocolate too
Suits me, they must suit you
'Cause that's what I like about the South

Well it's way, way down where the cane grows tall
Down where they say "Y'all"
Walk on in with that Southern drawl
'Cause that's what I like about the South

Down where they have those pretty queens
Keep a-dreamin' those dreamy dreams
Well let's sip that absinthe in New Orleans
That's what I like about the South

Here come old Bob with all the news
Got the boxback coat with button shoes
But he's all caught up with his union dues
An' that's what I like about the South

Here come old Roy down the street
Ho, can't you hear those tappin' feet
He would rather sleep than eat
An' that's what I like about the South

Now every time I pass your door
You act like you don't want me no more
Why don't you shake that head and sigh
And I'll go walkin' by

On, on, on and on and on
Honey, when you tell me that you love me
Then how come you close your eyes

Did I tell you 'bout the place called Doo-wah-diddy
It ain't no town and it ain't no city
It's just awful small, but awful pretty
That's Doo-wah-diddy

Well I didn't come here to criticise
I'm not here to sympathise
But don't tell me those no-good lies
That a lyin' gal like you can devise

You love me like I love you
Send me fifty P-D-Q
Roses are red and violets are pink
If I don't get all fifty, I don't show

She's got backbones and turnip greens
Ham hocks and butter beans
You, me and New Orleans
An' that's what I like about the South

[maxpower]

18. I am not blaming the south

I know it may look that way, but you have to admit they vote mostly red. I lived in this south when I was younger, there are great people. I hope I didn't offend. But facts are facts.


Peace,
Max

[Individualist]

58. +1

[maxpower]

83. The slaves weren't free until the Civil War was over

And the agrarian south couldn't keep up with the Norths manufacturing. The north blockaded the south. Learn a little history.

[maxpower]

90. The Emancipation Proclamation didn't free a slave

Until the war was over. The South had their own President, why would they listen to Lincoln. And the agrarian south couldn't keep up with the Norths manufacturing. The north blockaded the south. Learn a little history.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

9. You people voted for Hubert Humphrey. And you killed Jesus. n/t

[maxpower]

50. You got me

I got is my way-back machine and killed Jesus. We did vote for Humphrey and got Nixon. I think that is pretty good trade off don't you?


Peace,
Max

[Soylent Brice]

61. easy there, Dr. of Journalism.

lol

[HipChick]

11. I grew up in Europe...nothing there happened overnight..it was blood,sweat and tears too..

[Lord Helmet]

13. Step back from the ledge.

Way too much drama at this point in the process. Sausage-making isn't pretty.

[maxpower]

33. Thanks,

I am not on the ledge, but I hoping for sea change.

[maxpower]

32. iam sorry

No defense, I am sorry if I offended anyone sorry,

PEACE,
Max

[tblue]

36. Don't worry about it, sweetie. I understand. You have a good night, okay?

They jump on everything here sometimes. I guess we all have to be careful about generalizing. But I know you meant no offense to anyone here.

[Political Heretic]

38. This was all great until you launched into a bunch of idiotic bigotry.

First paragraph, +1

Rest of post, :puke:


"fuck you to the south."

Surely we can come up with something slightly more sophisticated than that.

[maxpower]

47. How many lives were lost in the Civil War

And I know it wasn't all about slavery. Sorry he should have told the South to go and see how that would work out for them. And your are correct I could have come up with something a little more sophisticated, but I chose not to.

[Political Heretic]

62. Like I said, bigotry.

Your mistake is in speaking of "the south" as if there is any one such entity, rather than millions of individuals with their own contextual differences, and then making generalized statements about that artificial entity.

I was born in the south, but my ancestors were from the north. It was my parents that moved south. So what does your civil war blathering have to do with the people who have moved to an fro and all around since then? By the way we moved back north again.

How much time does one have to spend in the south before they count in your "the south" generalization? 1 year? 5 years? What if someone moves from the north to the south - do the inherit your insults and generalizations upon crossing a certain line?

What states should we include in this "south fucking?" Tennesse, which elected Al Gore? Or Arkansas, which elected Bill Clinton? How about Georgia, which brought us Jimmy Carter?

I've never met a "The South." But I have met people who live in southern states and some of them are brilliant and some of them are ignorant and vile. Pretty much like every place else I've been.

[maxpower]

96. South of the Mason/Dixon line

Is usually how we delineate between north and south. I lived in the South for 12 years, and the treatment of the blacks and Cubans was deplorable. You are using examples from at least 20 years ago. You also gave us Saxby Chamblis, Lamar Alexander, Jim Bunning, Jim DeMint, and who can forget Lindsey Graham. All helping our cause.

[Political Heretic]

39. By the way, Europe is drifting rightward, and has its own serious problems.

It is so much better than here in so many ways. But before we glamorize it to death. Many countries in Europe have lost left-ground in recent elections, liberal ideas still face opposition, and more responsible social programs and policies are complicated, expensive, and have their own host of challenges and issues....

It's totally worth fighting for, and what's implemented right now in many places in Europe leaves the US to shame across many categories of quality of life. But its a battle.... there is no utopia on earth.

[SIMPLYB1980]

44. Yawn.

[kjackson227]

45. Yet again another devisive, discriminatory, and prejudiced posting...

for people who happen to live in the south. I guess when we're in a bad way, we always feel the need to blame someone... what ashame that we Dems can sometimes be our own worst enemy... and then you have the nerve to end this vile and disruptive post with the word "Peace". Yeah, right... good luck with that.

Since you profess to "love Abraham Lincoln", then I'm sure you've heard of the phrase "a house divided against itself, cannot stand". I think we all should heed this advice.

[maxpower]

53. Of course our country is such a peaceful place now

Right?

[WilliamPitt]

46. "The south has done nothing but put a burr in our saddles, and they killed Kennedy"

Sweeping, staggering ignorance.

[maxpower]

52. Well

The southern Dems, after the Civil Rights act, changed to Repiblicans. Even Johnson said the dems lost the south after the signing of the bill. Sorry will, strange fruit hangs from trees down there.

[Jamastiene]

104. Correction: SOME of the southern Dems went Republican.

The rest stayed in the Democratic Party and became full fledged Dixiecrats. Guess what? Those Dixiecrats are called Blue Dogs today. They are the problem inside our party. Think I don't want a true progressive Democrat to vote for locally? Think again. What I wouldn't give to see the Dixicrats finally laid to rest in history where they belong and actually replace them with real progressive Democrats.


Liebermann is still not ours though. He belongs to y'all. We don't want him.

[maxpower]

64. Sorry if offended your delicate sensibilities

Mr. Pitt

[redqueen]

77. deleted

[maxpower]

66. Of course all people a treated equally in the South

Am I correct. To be called ignorant by such an erudite individual such as yourself really makes my day. Thanks Will.

[Cetacea]

49. It was mostly southerners who rejoiced at JFK's death. And 2000...

It could be argued that if one was going to kill a democratic president in the sixties, the south would be the easiest place to pull it off.
And it was also the easiest place to steal a presidential election.

Treason lives and breathes in the south. I know. I live there.

[imdjh]

54. Bullshit

[maxpower]

89. That was my point

Thanks

[anonymous171]

94. And bankers were the ones who gained the most from it. nt

[treestar]

56. You are sitting back and waiting for "our party" to do something

Rather than trying to move the country leftward, and that's why the country is so rightward.

You're living up to the repuke stereotype of a liberal, just expecting the government to do things for you and not even willing to fight that the government do things for others.

You should be out running for a school board seat just like a right winger would do. And supporting the leftmost viable party, like a right winger would do. We have to give them one thing, they have energy. They never sit and complain that their party has abandoned them, they go out and do.

Look at all the teabag protests with nary a one from the left. Every time they are energetically calling Senators and campaigning for this or that, even in a minority. We seem to do a little work and then sit back as though we can expect everything to fall into place.

[maxpower]

63. Bullshit

I am on a school board, I volunteer every day at my daughters school. I canvass and knock on doors to get a democrat elected. I busted my ass to get Obama elected. I visit my asshole representative's office often. We have to majority in both houses, yet we get "bipartisan" shit from elected officials. Well fuck that, the republicans shoved through disgusting legislation not giving a shit about being bipartisan. Let's use the nuclear option on the filibuster like Frist wanted to. Nope, we have to play nice.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

60. Yeah. Broadbrush region bashing!

Woo-hoo.

That damn southerner Lieberman, from that red state....Connecticut......always fucking things up.

[maxpower]

65. Of course the bluedogs

Are helping the cause.

[maxpower]

67. I realize that the south has made wonderful contributions to society

We've got Coke and peanut butter.

[Jamastiene]

105. Ahem, don't forget Dr Pepper

:P

[Jamastiene]

107. And Andy Griffith.

Don't tell me you don't laugh your ass off at that show. :P

[redqueen]

76. lol

:loveya:

[maxpower]

73. Would it have made any difference if I said Red States

If so, that is what I meant.

[Texasgal]

81. Basically you made your own bed.

Now you must lay in it.

[maxpower]

98. Will do

[Uncle Joe]

82. The problem is, you're working against your own best interests by

throwing the baby out with the bath water and making it easier for the people you claim to despise to use divide and conquer to manipulate the peoples' emotions.

No state is totally red just as no state is totally blue, they do trend toward certain areas of idealogical thought; in large part because of history and culture, but if you want to convince more people to believe as you, don't insult their homes.

[anonymous171]

88. FDR and every democratic president up to Carter were bouyed by the Southern vote

Remember that.

[Stinky The Clown]

91. Maxie, Maxie, Maxie ...... I gotta Unrec ya, guy. That South bashing is SO misplaced.

Your issue is with Dumbfuckistan, not "the South". Dumbfuckistan, unlike the South, is not a real place, It is a Brigadoonian state of mind.

And in case you haven't noticed, what is left of our manufacturing base includes MANY factories in the South and in red states.

In fact, even the term "red" states is not so broadly true anymore. Obama was a serious electoral player in former red states like Georgia and Mississippi and Alabama and .....

Those places are all purple, my friend. Not red.

Their populations are still slightly favoring of the Dumbfuckistanians, but not by all that much.

By the way, next time you find yourself in Atlanta or Nashville or Jackson or Birmingham or Tulsa, look around. Losta rock solid liberals down there.

I get your angst.

But rail against the Citizens of Dumbfuckistan. They're located in the State of Their Minds ...... and that is EVERYWHERE, friend.

[Jamastiene]

106. North Carolina went blue too in '08.

Don't forget North Carolina.

[Jamastiene]

99. I'm liberal and sick of it too, but there is one major flaw in your OP

Lieberman isn't from the south...thankfully. He's alllll yours. Don't push him off on us. We don't want him. You can keep him. We have enough assholes down here.

[maxpower]

103. Please see this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6986449. I have apologized and explained my reasoning, or lack there of. Again sorry.

Peace,
Max

[Synicus Maximus]

109. unlike all those northern democratics

like LBJ, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Al Gore.
Oh. they were from the south.....never mind.

[jeanpalmer]

111. Got your point

max. Most of the oppoosition to progress is coming from the red states, including the south. That's a pretty mild observation that's accurate and self-evident. No reason for anyone to take offense on that. If they live in the south and want to take it out on someone, let them take it out on their knuckle-dragging politicians.

[maxpower]

113. Thanks for that

but I would like this post to go away. I am a peaceful, loving person who was in a bad place when I posted. I let my emotions get the best of me. To all whom I offended, let me have it I deserve it. Please do me one favor and read my apology. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6986449

Thanks,
Max

[MilesColtrane]

112. "they killed Kennedy."

George H.W. Bush is from Massachusetts.

[BoneDaddy]

114. Jesus

then I am not your liberal then.

[Cleita]

115. It has nothing to do with being a bleeding heart liberal and everything to

do with the rise of an elitist class of billionaires on both sides of the aisle who feel that they can ignore with impunity those of us who question their actions.

[DatManFromNawlins]

116. How many Southern companies received bailouts?

You northerners are a bunch of conceited, delusional fuckups.

With SIXTY Senate seats and a sizeable majority in the House, you STILL fucking blame the South for problems which are caused by MONEY from NORTHERN interests. Hell, a NORTHERN President just gave a TRILLION dollars to NORTHERN business interests, and you're still whining. None of you gave a flying shit when it was Southern textiles, agricultural, and furniture businesses going under, but "OH NOES! WE CAN'T LET THE UAW COMPETE WITH FREE MARKET LABOR!"

Give me a fucking break.