self delete

[Motown_Johnny]

The SCOTUS decision Harris v. McRae proves me wrong...





http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1979/1979_79_1268

[FLDCVADem]

1. And I think

you'd get laughed out of court.

[Motown_Johnny]

2. please provide some reasoning for that opinion, or an example of another

right that is based on your ability to pay for it.


Please don't use the right to keep and bear arms since the government does provide arms for it's members of well regulated militias necessary for the security of the state (military and law enforcement)

[bobbolink]

3. .

never mind

[Motown_Johnny]

6. examples please

[bobbolink]

11. .

never mind--this is just silly.

bye

[Motown_Johnny]

18. your response was to general. please give specific examples...

[bobbolink]

20. welcome to my ignore list.

Stop playing games with poverty.

[Motown_Johnny]

22. Yes thank you... simply saying "all of them" : was not an answer

[cark]

4. Rights

I can't afford a gun and I can't afford any property, but the constitution says I have a right to own them....so when is the government going to give me mine?

[Motown_Johnny]

10. joiin the military and they will give you a gun.. you can also get public housing

[FLDCVADem]

19. Now you're just being silly

[bobbolink]

23. Unfortunately, I fell for the silliness...

When it comes to poverty, people either ignore it or just get ridiculous.

THEN they demand our vote!

:wtf:

[Orangepeel]

26. one does not have the right to join the military

a person might have flat feet or be gay or something.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

5. That makes no sense. I have a right to self-publish my novel.

Fill in the rest.

[Motown_Johnny]

8. you don't have a right to a published novel.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

12. Just delete the OP and move on. This is not getting any better.

[imdjh]

7. Freedom of the press

[Motown_Johnny]

27. Hmmm..... I don't pay for that. A free press is available to me without cost

I don't have the right to own a newspaper, but I do have the right to be informed by news sources not limited by the federal government (within certain limits)

[mdmc]

9. the right to vote

expensive government issued photo identification was not seen an unreasonable barrier to the right of poor people to vote..

yup..we have the right to pursue happiness..

[Motown_Johnny]

15. are you sure that you can't get the ID for free? My voter ID card is sent to me for free

but it could be different in different states

[mdmc]

25. sure up here in ny someone on welfare could get a caseworker

to help secure identification and such..

Down south blacks are kept from voting over $40 identification costs.

'least that what i heard..

[Motown_Johnny]

30. I thought that was challenged as a "poll tax"

but I could also be wrong

P.S. I lived in NY a while, near Hyde Park

[ecstatic]

13. Should this challenge take place at the same time healthcare reform

is being voted on? Or after? That is the question...

[Motown_Johnny]

17. this is purely hypothetical

I am simply trying to sort this out in my own tiny little mind

[tonysam]

14. The USSC also said it was okay the federal government can

deny to provide funding to pay for abortions, i.e., the Hyde Amendment, so it has already been done, and it was done in 1980. The "right" to an abortion is not absolute.

[Motown_Johnny]

21. McRae vs. Secretary of HEW 1/15/80

http://www.popline.org/docs/0383/800087.html


*snip*



Federal Judge John Francis Dooling, Jr., found the Hyde Amendment unconstitutional on January 15, 1980. The decision in McRae vs. Secretary of HEW

[FLDCVADem]

29. Yep

And overturned by the Supreme Court 5-4 in June 1980.

[Motown_Johnny]

31. That is the answer I was looking for, thanks

But man it still seems flawed to me.



http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1979/1979_79_1268

*snip*


Question:
Did the Hyde Amendment violate the right to privacy, the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment, or the Religion Clauses of the First Amendment?

Conclusion:
No. The Court held that states participating in the Medicaid program were not obligated to fund medically necessary abortions under Title XIX. The Court found that a woman's freedom of choice did not carry with it "a constitutional entitlement to the financial resources to avail herself of the full range of protected choices." The Court ruled that because the Equal Protection Clause was not a source of substantive rights and because poverty did not qualify as a "suspect classification," the Hyde Amendment did not violate the Fifth Amendment. Finally, the Court held that the coincidence of the funding restrictions of the statute with tenets of the Roman Catholic Church did not constitute an establishment of religion.




If the idea that people don't have a constitutional entitlement to things like a lawyer or a speedy trial unless you can pay for them this country would be even more fucked up than it is now.


I guess I am just a raging liberal who can't see the fairness in this.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

16. White Collar Justice System for Wall Street?

just sayin.

[anonymous171]

24. Rights are secured by the government.

However, I thought that the SCOTUS determined that the right to privacy guaranteed a "right" to an abortion, not that every American woman has the right to an abortion. Although I may be wrong. :shrug:

[Motown_Johnny]

28. I could be wrong too.. that is why I am looking for someone to provide an example

of a right that can be denied to you based entirely on your economic status