Fort Hood Shooter Awake.. Able to Talk.....

[lib2DaBone]

Hope he has some big body guards.... someone may do a "Jack Ruby" on him...

If he is guilty.. so be it.. but if he isn't?

http://www.star-telegram.com/texas/story/1745997.html

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. You can bet he's heavily guarded.

I would think they would want to question him.

And he may be facing a court-martial. He NEEDS to be able to talk.

[lib2DaBone]

2. Aftr he recovrs from his gunshot wounds.. he is looking at the Gas Chamber...

.. but I would like a chance to hear his side of the story.

[proteus_lives]

6. I think all the dead bodies are his side of the story.

[DireStrike]

10. Yes but WHY

It isn't enough to condemn a crime. The more complete course of action is to understand it.

[Canuckistanian]

3. A comment my wife made about him

They're going to be making every effort to save his life, to make him able to stand trial - then they're going to give him the death penalty.

And this happened in Texas. He's already a dead man walking.

[DearAbby]

11. They will swab his arm with disinfectant before inserting the lethal dose

sounds just as ridiculous

[Texasgal]

14. Just an FYI

The MILITARY will convict him...not the State of Texas.

[Canuckistanian]

21. Ah, that's right

It's all in the military, he's a Major committing a crime on a base.

Never thought of that.

[Hangingon]

32. Most Canadians I've met are mentally slow.

[uppityperson]

33. Said by a Texan. huh

[Hangingon]

34. Proudly said by a Texan who doesn't take to Texas bashing.

[uppityperson]

44. If you don't like people bashing a state, why do it yourself?

pot-kettle

[Canuckistanian]

38. My my, you're a charmer, aren't you?

How the hell did you ever manage 1000 posts here with that fucking condescending attitude?

[Hangingon]

42. I speak when I have something to say.

I do not care for the Texas bashing many posters here have towards Texas. It is particularly irritating when it it comes from some one who admits they do not know what they are talking about.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Texas has nothing to do with anything at all.

He's a military man, who did his bad act on a military reservation. His fate has nothing to do with any civilian court whatsoever. He could have done this in downtown Berkely, and if it happened on a military reservation, he'd still be subject to courts martial by the military, and punishment by same.

You're right about dead man walking though, and I say that with no remorse whatsoever.

[Canuckistanian]

23. I just realized that

But the military doesn't have a death penalty for murder, does it?

[cherokeeprogressive]

25. Article 118 - UCMJ

Any person subject to this chapter whom without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he--

(1) has a premeditated design to kill;

(2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm;

(3) is engaged in an act which is inherently dangerous to others and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or

(4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson;

is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct.

[TicketyBoo]

27. I have a hunch

that he'll be tried for treason as well as murder, and I believe there is still a military death penalty for treason.

A quick Google search finds this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/6531599/Fort-Hood-massacre-Barack-Obama-would-have-to-sign-death-warrant.html

[w4rma]

30. There is definitely one for treason. (nt)

[amandabeech]

39. He'll be tried by a military court martial, because the shooting happened on a base.

The State of Texas judicial system won't be involved.

The military will be fair, but this guy will be locked up for the rest of his days at the least.

The army hasn't executed anyone since the early sixties, but there is a death row at the Leavenworth military prison in Kansas.

[Retired AF Dem]

45. "The State of Texas judicial system won't be involved."

It depends on what kind of jurisdiction that part of the base had. Is it under concurrent or exclusive jurisdiction? Some bases have areas of concurrent and exclusive jurisdictions. If these shootings took place on the base that has both, Texas does have a say. If it has both the Army could decide to let Texas have it since the military hasent done an exeuction in decades.

[devilgrrl]

4. Did he say Allah Akbar when woke up?

Other than that crack, I have nothing further to say about this story. At this point, no one but the shooter and the authorities know what really happened. Until then, I'm bowing out.

[amandabeech]

40. No, he said, "I want a lawyer," like every American who watches "Law & Order." n/t

[WeDidIt]

5. Yesterday I was totqally neutral on whether or not he was a terrorist

Today, I'm leaning towards him being a terrorist with the new information.

[Nikki Stone1]

7. Jack Ruby....now there's a worry.

A Muslim patsy, eh?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

8. Quadriplegic was initially reported.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

9. Quadriplegic?

What a fucking clown. If he is paralyzed, we should rehabilitate him to the best of our ability and once healthy, hang the fucker.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

12. It was reported he was completely paralyzed.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

13. I hope he can still talk.

There needs to be some closure on this issue before he is executed.

[Cali_Democrat]

15. State sanctioned murder in any circumstance is just wrong.

Life in prison would be better.

Let him reflect on what he has done for the rest of his life.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

16. Some hot blond nurse bathing him would likely be considered torture.

[Cali_Democrat]

17. LOL. n/t

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

19. Thanks.

[Brooklyns_Finest]

18. Nah

I prefer execution.

[proteus_lives]

20. What about those who don't care?

"Let him reflect on what he has done for the rest of his life." I've heard that from anti-DP folks before. Have you considered that mass-murderers like Hasan or thugs who blow people away for their wallets don't care about the people they kill or ever will.

[TicketyBoo]

24. Yeah.

He's being heralded as a hero in radical Islamic circles.

[haele]

28. We don't know. We only know he snapped.

The Major was a psychiatrist working with PTSD patients. He also had a chance to leave the military and go into private practice at least 2 years ago if he couldn't handle the religious issues or the potential for even greater harassment than what he was getting or even just deployment angst; he certainly knew the process that could have gotten him retired (officers can retire after 7 years) before he got to this point.

He didn't blow people away for their wallets like a street thug who don't know any lifestyle other than that of an animal.
He got lost in the pressure of his life, snapped and went postal, went into the red zone, whatever you call it. That has happened in the Military before, it's not just a Muslim issues, he was far from the first soldier to do something like this, even within the past 10 years.
When he comes out of it, there's a greater chance that he will see those faces day and night for the rest of his days, and he will consumed by ghosts.


Haele

[TicketyBoo]

29. He's not the first?

I believe he's the first soldier to do multiple murders within the US and on a military base.

At least I can't recall others, and I think I would remember, but if I've missed it, maybe you can enlighten me?

[haele]

31. You want published accounts or accounts that get covered up as non-stories

because no one went to the media about the problems on base?
Going postal over deployments, promotions, demotions, and other personal stresses does happen.
So, for your accounts - Do they have to be strictly US base shootings?
Do you want the "walk into the workplace and start spraying bullets", or do you just want the "come home to housing and shoot your family or friends"?
Do you care about the shootings into crowds offbase, that get labeled "drive by" and hidden as gang related, because someone freaked out over a personal matter after their return from Iraq and wanted to "teach someone a lesson" while that person was hanging out with a loud and unruly crowd at a Taco Bell?
Do you want the failed attempts that don't get reported?
Here's a couple off the top of my head, but perhaps they don't meet the rather narrow criteria you set up -
Failed attempt, Oct, 2005 - Ft. Campbell, KY,
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-114129145.html
5 soldiers shot at during workout by fellow soldier. Shooter in custody.

OCONUS Base Shooting, May 2009 - Camp Liberty, Bagdad
http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/05/army_shootingupdate3_051209w/
5 soldiers killed by 44 year old SGT on 3rd tour at mental health clinic. Shooter in custody.

Base Shooting, Ft. Bliss, TX (causing lock-down timeline for newscast(probably domestic, so it's not "terrorism" right?), July, 2007, 2 shot, 1 dead, shooter in custody.
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/19272562/detail.html
and here's a telling bit from that timeline, the newsroom comment for 9:20 a.m. "If the shooting information is correct (again no confirmation from Fort Bliss) that's two shootings in 20 days on post."

It happens; a similar situation happened at my active duty station back in 1982 when I was a 1st Class shift supervisor at a Combat Systems training command and it was never reported other than in the city Obits -
One of the other shop shift workers - just a kid of around 20/21- was up on CO's mast for popping positive for weed. The day he was to go to mast, he came in an hour before shift change with his worldly belonging packed in his car, walked down the hallway, pulled out a 22 cal and shot at (wounding) our Division Officer and Division Chief who "had it in for him" according to his co-workers, put a couple more holes in the bulkhead and hallway, then shot himself when security came running.
I came to work 10 minutes later and found myself in charge of two shifts worth of traumatized sailors, as well as coordination with the base quick reaction team for the activation of the emergency recall and "critical event recovery" procedure for our unit.

Was it a terrorist act, with base facilities attacked and two people wounded? No, it was a sailor going postal over something he just could not "man up and take responsibility" and go through with.
And one thing I remember from what his supervisor said about the event - this kid was often called a loser; as he was rather slow, and refused to work in the lower level (underground) shops (he was afraid of demons and ghosts), gay (he was shy, didn't have a girlfriend and the locker-room mentality of his shop was such he must have been gay to the other guys), and an animal (poor hygiene) enough during his career; he just couldn't handle it.

As for the Ft. Hood shooter - who likewise "couldn't handle it", like the others of his ilk, I'm not excusing him; I'm explaining him. What we need to do as a society is to realize that we have to be able to recognize when someone is reaching the snapping point and either start removing some of the stressors or remove the person from that point; they have become harmful to themselves and others.

Major Hasan had given quite a few serious warning signs over a period of years that there were problems; and as he was in the military, there is no earthy reason other than a sadistic sense of power over him for those in the "leadership" positions of his chain of command to keep him in the position where he would snap and harm himself and/or others.
He should have either quit (which he could at least three years ago) or been removed from the military long before he got to this point.
Now, 12 people are dead, even more wounded, and he gets to be executed from a wheelchair. Because of lack of leadership that allowed him to be in the position where he felt his only option was to go postal.

Haele
(edited due to spelling, don't want to be a freeper...)

[uppityperson]

35. "I'm not excusing him; I'm explaining him." Thank you.

[TicketyBoo]

37. If you want to go for political correctness

I am a former postal worker.

Hasan didn't "go postal." He went "Islamic terrorist," shouting "God is great!" while mowing down as many "infidels" as possible. It is my belief that he wasn't shown the gate because of fears of accusations of religious persecution, political correctness gone exceedingly awry.

Your first link? Nobody was actually murdered.

Your second link? 404 error. File not found. And not in this country.

I found this for a Ft. Bliss shooting: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D97C0NA81.html

in April. Domestic. Husband (civilian) shot and killed his wife (who was a soldier). Domestic. For sure, he terrorized his wife (and her family, probably), but not actual terrorism, no. One dead. Not multiple soldiers shot.

Another shooting was not on base, but was in housing for base personnel later in April: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517816,00.html

The July shooting at Ft. Bliss? I can't find a story on it, other than the timeline link which you posted. It appears that one person died. Not multiple murders. No apparent motive listed.

So, no, none of these things you cite indicate this level of violence. To my knowledge, this is a first for this set of circumstances.

[Texasgal]

41. It wouldn't be "state sanctioned"

The MILITARY will decide his fate.

[Raine]

43. Yeah he was counting on dieing, it would

be worse punishment especially having to live on and on while paralyzed.

[liquid diamond]

26. hahaha

[TornadoTN]

36. He's already requested a JAG

Feds tried to question him, he invoked his right to an attorney and a veteran JAG was assigned.

Answers won't be coming soon.

[Retired AF Dem]

46. He didn't request a Jag

Jags do the prosecuting. He requested a lawyer from the area defense council. The news never gets it right.