I'm morally ambivalent about ED meds for men

[supernova]

I hope with this bill most plans will not reimburse men for their boner pills. They should have to pay for them out of pocket because I find it disgusting and unbiblical that anybody over 50 wants to have sex.


:sarcasm:

[Initech]

1. I'm a guy and I get absolutely repulsed when those ads appear on TV.

Seriously the last thing I want to hear about on TV is people's bladder control and erectile dysfunction issues. :puke:

[supernova]

6. The ads are in a class all by themselves

class of what, I have no idea.

[rbixby]

20. I just think that one commercial is funny

Where the couple is having a romantic bath at the beach, in 2 separate bathtubs. Reminds me of the Dick van Dyke show

[customerserviceguy]

27. If I want to watch something resembling

sex in a bathtub, I'll just turn the channel to arena football.

[XemaSab]

26. Oops! I crapped my pants

http://www.hulu.com/watch/10308/saturday-night-live-oops-i-crapped-my-pants

[ThatsMyBarack]

39. That and ads for incontinence supplies.

:puke:

[Lars39]

2. And why are we paying for penile implants and for surgeries for

bent penises? Men should pay extra for policies that include those types of surgeries. :sarcasm:

[supernova]

13. That's just elective cosmetic surgery

They should pay for that themselves out of pocket

[Lost-in-FL]

3. A "prayer treatment" will be more effective. nt

[Warpy]

4. Having that pecker die is gawd's will

and we should not be forced to pay to interfere with gawd's will.

[supernova]

10. Amen, sister

They should suffer the consequences of whatever gawd decides to deal them.

[D-Lee]

28. It would be useful to tell ED men to be tested for diabetes ...

These conditions can be a sign of something else wrong.

At least these ads could say something helpful and go beyond those SMIRKS!

[Warpy]

36. There's not a single smirking winking male in those ads

whose lights I don't want to punch out. Seriously, that's not suggestive, guys, it's infuriating.

Perhaps if they dropped limp willie drugs from the bill, those companies could no longer afford those disgusting ads.

[City Lights]

40. Now you're talkin'!

:thumbsup:

:rofl:

[DearAbby]

5. hear the side effects to these drugs

four hour boners, geezus keerist, all those men with lack of blood to their brains...can you imagine?

question: Are all the GOP men on ED meds?

[golddigger]

18. LMAO!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[KamaAina]

31. Well, we know Bob Dole is

:P

[endless october]

7. i just would like to see them stop advertising them during mealtimes.

i mean, seriously, wait until after 7 to sit in your damned tub outside. i'm trying to eat over here.

that also goes for prostate pills, adult diapers, and other "hygiene" products. please, not during the 6-7 dinner hour.

[Xipe Totec]

9. The one with the worried looking pooch is creepy n/t

[SPedigrees]

21. I'd add toilet bowl cleaning products to that list.

And I'm enraged at having to listen to bs ads by insurance cos and credit lending institutions that have ravaged our society and are still doing so.

[happy2bhere]

38. I'm so glad I have no tv antenna

I often wonder the questions children ask when the commercials come on...

[Ignis]

8. Well played.

:thumbsup:

[lumberjack_jeff]

11. Since you have a moral problem with boners and are paying the bill, you're entitled to an opinion.

Ideally, a large nonprofit with a nearly $1b budget can help pick up the slack.

[Vinca]

12. Exactly, supernova. A fellow should be responsible for himself.

Don't come to me for boner pill coverage.:rofl:

[Neecy]

14. Oh, I agree

The little "Viva Viagra" jingle is enough to make me join you in your moral crusade to make men pay out of pocket to bring their limp dicks back to life.

[supernova]

17. Arrghghhh! Thanks for the earworm!

x(

The original song was bad enough, but Viagra has made it so much worse!

[Hannah Bell]

25. i hate all those grinning & chuckling guys singing that. seriously creepy.

[nichomachus]

15. One small quibble

The bible is replete with stories of 500, 600 and 700 year old men having sex -- so the unbiblical part doesn't hold up.

(And since we know that the bible is the inerrant word of god, we must believe that the life expectancy of people before the invention of the germ theory and antibiotics was nine times what it is today.)

[Angry Dragon]

30. I was told on the Catholic Answers website

that incest was okay from Adam's and Eve's time for a while until there were enough people so incest was not needed any longer. Also that man has become more inferior over time. So this would give credence to your theory of declining life expectancy.

[lunatica]

16. If they won't pay for abortions howsabout they pay for vasectomies then?

Ya know, the reversible kind. So men can fucking father a child when they want one after signing a contract of course, for child support.

Stiff but sterile is a great soundbite! Catchy and succinct.

[NMMNG]

19. Hear, hear

IMO any health plan that doesn't cover abortion should not cover boner pills. Likewise anybody who "disapproves of" abortion shouldn't be allowed to have boner pills. I'm sick to death of these moralist grandstanders who treat women who have sex like "sluts" who deserve to be punished. Men's sexuality is outright embraced and their role in unintended pregnancies ignored. Viagra and Cialis are given out like candy by pharmacists who claim their god won't allow birth control pills. What a crock of bullshit!



(I'm also sick to death of every other late-night commercial being for one of those "male enhancement" things but that's another subject...)

[TheKentuckian]

22. While I agree with the sentiment I see this as apples to oranges

ED is closer to fertility treatments or for a treatment that helps a woman be comfortable having sex or enjoying it more.

Unfortunately, there is no male analog for abortion to cover/not cover. I don't get the tit for tat fervor rather than locking in on this disgusting amendment like a laser beam. There is no tit for the tat here. Old men getting a break on boner pills or not has no direct correlation to restricting a service only women may need. Its not like payment for boner pills one way or the other impacts this at all.

I've been blasting this the whole way but I think the talking point is silly and inaccurate as if women would be willing to trade reproductive freedom for themselves if only old men give up or pay for these pills. I don't see why anyone would want to belittle this crucial argument by trying to get on even ground with a wholly different issue.

[left coaster]

23. EXACTLY!

And I thank you for posting.

[dreamnightwind]

34. +1

And equating ED meds with contraception (the plan apparently not paying for the birth control pill?) is also a false equation.

The birth control pill, IUD, other means, are more closely related to condoms. I don't recall ever getting reimbursed by my insurance company for condom purchases.

Now, I'd be all for it, I think people should be having children only when they're ready to take on all that responsibility, and I'm no proponent of abstinence.

Boner pills? I don't know if they should be covered, probably not, interesting to see how outraged this makes some of the women on this board though, don't they get the benefit of these pills? Maybe they're tired of having sex with their husbands who they no longer find attractive (to which I say getting old happens to both sexes) or maybe they're young and don't like to think about older men having sex (understandable, but perspective is everything, and it changes a little every day you get age). I dunno, I'm probably way off base here, if so I'll probably hear about it. I'd rather understand than inflame, so that's fine. Still, I have to say I'm surprised and disappointed by many of the sentiments I'm reading on this issue today.

FWIW, I'm as pissed as anyone about the Stupak amendment and the direct involvement of the lobbyists for the Catholic Bishops. Looks like a great way to have a lot of unwanted, uncared for poor children brought into this world, and a lot of unsafe, back-room procedures to do abortions on the cheap.

[dustbunnie]

37. I'm not sure I get the outrage over the concept of boner pills.

I can't imagine not having sex with my beloved and hope we do so into our flabby, wizened old age, if we make it. I hope we die trying. Like a couple of the other posters, I don't equate penis pills with abortion either. A better comparison would be hormone replacement at menopause.

I do get the outrage over the idea of society paying for them though. Far as I know, it isn't only older men who use them. I know young men who go clubbing and bar hopping take them to offset the effects of alcohol. Some of my gay friends have intimated that they use them for those especially hot, weekend getaways.

Men get benefits for having a good time. Women pay for the sometimes unfortunate result of having a good time.

[lunatica]

35. Women go through menopause which naturally puts an end

to their fertility. Meantime women are made to carry 90% of the burden of fertility and it's by-product, while men aren't pressured to do anything to curb their fertility. Your argument isn't accurate at all.

In the last couple of decades there has been pressure to use condoms but that's been because of AIDS. But have someone mention that both men and women should use condoms or birth control and the Right goes batshit crazy.

Both sexes need to learn how to control their activity around their own fertility. If more men would be actively proactive there would be far less need for abortions. Especially with teens. Is a 15 year old girl supposed to take the 'It's like wearing an umbrella" whine and then be the one who has to take care of the result? I say both a equally, EQUALLY (!) responsible.

Men get Viagra and women get menopause. How nice.

[Skittles]

41. hilarious how men say condoms interfere with sensation

yet still manage to come very quickly while wearing one

[dreamnightwind]

42. uh...

Menopause = infertility, Viagra does nothing to address fertility, only the ability to have sex, which last time I checked isn't affected by menopause.

I agree with you regarding responsibility, I'm just policing false equation here, and for whatever reason there seems to be an awful lot of it.

Also, FWIW, condoms aren't perfect, since they can slip or come off, even if put on correctly. Rarely, but it happens. A number of the abortions I've heard about have been from condom use that didn't prevent conception. I think condoms are great and highly encourage people to use them, but part of this discussion should include pregnancy that still happens even with condom use.

[dustbunnie]

43. Menopause can definitely affect one's sex life.

Loss of desire sucks for women too.

[lunatica]

48. How about a birth control pill for men?

What's wrong with that? And it would be nice if menopause were given as much time and thought as Viagra. Women have pretty debilitating symptoms that would be nice to be able to get rid of while getting a nice boost to our sex lives.

Not important to you maybe. But 99% of women who have gone through menopause would gladly welcome a woman's version of a sex pill. Especially if it did away with the symptoms of menopause.

[dreamnightwind]

49. Sounds good

Re a birth control pill for men, I'd welcome that as another option. Whether or not I'd use it would depend on what else it does to my body (a concern I share for women taking the pill). I've worn condoms most of my adult life because the alternatives all involved some chemical or device that I didn't want to mess up my partner's body. Condoms interfere with the feeling on both sides, and are a buzz kill at the exact time when you don't want a buzz kill, plus they're not 100% effective, but overall they were a good way to go.

Also any research or product that would help women with menopause would be great, and if it increased their interest in sex at that point in their lives that would be even better.

Not sure what any of this has to do with coverage of ED meds but not birth control in the health insurance corporation enrichment legislation. Maybe you think that if it were men taking birth control it would be covered? I doubt it, the Catholic Church still prohibits birth control use last I heard, and as I mentioned earlier we aren't currently getting reimbursed for condoms, though they're cheap so maybe that's part of the reason, still I don't think they'd include birth control even if the shoe was on the other foot.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

24. What do you have against recreational drugs?

I'd like the plans to cover Viagra AND Marijuana. Preferably at the same time.

:hi:

[Harry Monroe]

29. If I have an erection lasting more than 4 hours, I'm not going to see a doctor

I'm going to put that sucker to good use!!

[David__77]

32. True true!

lol

[safeinOhio]

33. Will smiling Bob

get his male enhancement pills covered?:spank:

[undeterred]

44. If these wanton irresponsible men choose to have elective erections

I shouldn't have to pay for it.

[unc70]

45. Ignoring the sarcasm for a moment,

When having a serious discussion about ED drugs, keep in mind they are often used following surgery for prostate cancer and often help regaining "control" of various functions even before the big "quality of life" issue.

[Bonobo]

46. I'm "up and down" on the issue as well. nt

[JVS]

47. People aren't usually ambivalent about things that they consider digusting and unbiblical

[lib2DaBone]

50. Agree.. No money for Abortion.. No boner pills....

That seems more than fair to me?

And please (for Gaaawds sake) dont give any boner pills to the church.