Go ahead DLC'rs, keep attacking Kucinich. You are SOLIDIFYING support for him on DU.

[Go2Peace]

Please rec if you agree.

Regarding the folks who keep posting the attack threads; you just aren't getting it.

The majority on this board don't think in "Black and White". They are well read and understand that sometimes people make nuanced decisions. The majority on this board know Dennis' Record, and while some may not agree with his recent stand, they still know that he cares about people.

• They know that is is innacurate, and even untruthful to represent Dennis Kucinich as a "Republican" or "Blue Dog"
  
  
• They understand that Dennis plays a role, an important role, and often speaks for what the people want, sometimes even when it might not be the "washington" thing to do, if he thinks it is the BEST thing to do
  
  
• They know that, with HCR, he understood he would not kill it, and used the opportunity to speak up that this bill was not what the people asked for and really needed, and they understand they he did that because he CARES about the poor and the sick, and this was what he thought would be the part he should play in this bill.
  
  
• They also know that he is not perfect, and they understand that while he may make some mistakes, he is NEEDED to elevate the debate and he speaks LOUDLY to what the people are saying.
  
  
• They know that the vast majority of the votes that DK has taken were thoughtful, and intended to represent the people.
  
  
• They also understand that we we need more legislators like Kucinich, not less.
  
  
  Those who are acting like attack dogs and trying to confuse others on this board, labeling a well intentioned and honest representative of the people, smearing him with authoritarian and untruthful attacks, You need to KNOW that this is board is a full of PROGRESSIVE Democrats and your DLC style attacks are not appreciated here, and most of all, they WILL NOT WORK. We see through these kind of attacks, we know and recognize them well.
  
  So accept that you are on a generally progressive board (as evidenced by the many threads for DK that reach Greatest, a number of which had historical rec counts) and most here understand and appreciate men like Dennis Kucinich and will never agree with your black and white arguments.
  
  So how about we move on to something that maybe we can agree on?
  
  We really don't want to continue to fight on the terms that you wish to make your points. But we do understand that most of these posters have more in common with us in political stances than the opposition. So let's talk about things we can work together on,ok? This is very unproductive and it will not get you what you desire.
  
  Because we generally appreciate Dennis Kucinich, even with any real or "perceived" warts. And we are going to keep him.
  You aren't going to change that. Thank you.

[ixion]

1. kicked and recommended

:applause:

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. And another!

:kick:

[ixion]

58. yeah!

:hi:

[theFrankFactor]

139. Ultra Kicked and R'ed!

[bjobotts]

160. I hate to see Dennis turn bitter though I can't blame him.He is the measure by which dems compare

[bjobotts]

161. You are either + or - Kucinich on the progresive-liberal scale. He's the standard bearer.The best

[rudy23]

2. I think if they frustrate us to the point where we quit DU

they'll pop open some bubbly and say, "Mission Accomplished."

[rudy23]

6. Also, check out these links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6022082

Also, check my journal for more links where I try to shine some light on the roaches

[bobbolink]

67. They have already succeeded with many,.

Not that it matters.

We're just toilet paper to them.

The only thing that will get across to them is when we disengage in '10.

[Zodiak]

135. No, it won't

They'll just blame the left for disloyalty as they did in 2000.

When it comes to explaining electoral losses, the last thing the Democratic leadership will do is look in the mirror. They love the strategy of triangulation, and will continue to use it even if it doesn't work for them for getting things done for the American People. After all, even if the strategy doesn't work, it at least marginalizes the left and puts the right-wing of our party in the driver's seat. From there, they can work with the Republicans and get things done for their masters even if our party is not in control (in fact, what party is in control matters little under this paradigm...the only thing that changes is the rate of rightward shift).

[defendandprotect]

148. DLC is in the Democratic Party to destroy it . . .

and so is the DLC here --

It's all money based -- which is where the power comes from and the influence.

Including at DU, I presume?

[bobbolink]

190. Let them call us disloyal... we're becoming immune.

After being called unpatriotic, traitors and terrorists by the RW, the attacks of the DLCers really don't sting all that much anymore.

They just show how closely they are linked with the RW.

And, I agree with you... it matters little what party is in control. I think what we are seeing now is proof of that, and will very likely complete the total disaffection of the electorate. :(

[TransitJohn]

129. DU would lose 3 quarters of its paying membership if so n/t

n/t

[defendandprotect]

149. While their numbers are small, we don't know what

investment the DLC may have made in DU . . . ????????????????????????????????????????????????

[dionysus]

177. oh, so now DU is in the DLC's pocket? Skinner will love that accusation. seriously,

you guys need to get over the fact that dennis will never be more than a backbenching gadfly. and the idiotic notion that everyone who doesn't care for the guy is a DLC plant. is that the only way you can rationalize the fact that you're vastly outnumbered? by saying everyone else is paid by the DLC to post?

in case you didn't notice, there's no more than a couple blue dog\DLC posters on this board. i can only think of 3

[defendandprotect]

188. Kucinich is wholly valuable for his truth telling . . .

and, of course, neither he nor Howard Dean are going anywhere --
not while the DLC is in charge of Democratic Party -- and influencing the White House.

Obviously, if there are DLC'ers here, they support the website --

Who actually owns the website with Skinner I have no idea -- but there are numerous
possibilities, aren't there?

Meanwhile, DLC is against liberal/progressives values -- anything populist --

Naturally, they are against anyone like Kucinich or Dean --

[xultar]

3. I'm sure Dennis voted no only after being assured that it would pass without him.

If he had to, I think he would have voted yes. We had to do what we had to do to get it passed.

[bjobotts]

162. Pelosi got the votes she needed and after that told dems from red states to vote how they needed to

[bjobotts]

164. Kucinich knew he could vote against it without killing the bill so he could make his views known

[bjobotts]

165. If people here don't know that is how the rules are played then learn it.

[bjobotts]

167. Kucinch has always been a reliable voice of the people, right on nearly everything

[Political Heretic]

4. Sorry, but DU stopped being "generally progressive" a long time ago.

And much of what you say, while nice, is generally wishful thinking I'm afraid.

[ProleNoMore]

8. Agree With DU No Longer Being Progressive

eom

[QC]

11. It happened about two years ago. n/t

[glitch]

72. Blatantly so. nt

[natrat]

112. most of the unrec crew are from some dlc type pr firm i would guess

cuz god knows the junta has unlimited propaganda money to spend

[Go2Peace]

13. I disagree, there are very loud, and sometimes coordinated posters here, but we are the majority as

evidenced by the greatest page. Last time the attack dogs came out there were record breaking recs for DU, one with more than 270 recs, another that topped 350. There may have been higher ones but I have seen few with that many posts. I am convinced that the (sometimes silent) majority here are progressive. The DLC'rs and beltway thinkers just have a lot of time to post, and they work together, but they do not represent the site.

[Political Heretic]

17. Recs is a personal popularity contest, with cliques and factions - little more.

It's hardly representative of the mood or tone.

A better measurement would be to more consistently check the unregulated "Latest" page and judge the climate.

[Go2Peace]

37. If you would have watched the "latest" page, you would have seen attack OPs launched every 15mins

for a day and a half. That represents something but not DU.

[dionysus]

180. so what? people have been attacking obama that way for the last 8 months. but that's ok i guess.

[rudy23]

29. Agreed. But we better stay vigilant so it stays that way. nt

[Political Heretic]

92. Mind boggling.

Makes no sense.

[defendandprotect]

150. DLC is here to control conversations from moving into areas which

they don't want discussed . . .

the need for third parties, for instance -

the need to target and move on Democrats who are DINO's, DLC, Blue Dogs --

Only recently has that issue broken thru because it is so blatantly obvious --

and because Wm. Greider, Michael Moore and others have pointed to this necessity

in articles posted here.

Democratic Party is against third parties -- EVEN TO THE LEFT OF THEM -- and have

refused to do anything about stolen elections -- or to institute IRV voting which

would create new options for the American public.

DLC is now openly in the White House in case anyone hasn't noticed -- ??!!!

[aquart]

156. OMG. What utter assholery.

You need a defined enemy to march against, don't you? A vast conspiracy. It can't be individuals who sometimes find Dennis a pain in the butt.

I get that someone has to take the outside position and hold it. I do. And he does that with great courage.

Pretty much the definition of a pain in the butt.

[defendandprotect]

159. DLC is your friend?

That's major "assholery" . . . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[man4allcats]

103. Ditto. Unfortunately, there is a rather large DLC cheerleading

contingent here, cheerleading being the operative term. Cheerleaders don't think. They don't have to. They just need to yell loudly for the home team. If they did think, they would support Kucinich.

[dionysus]

118. no there isn't. there's maybe 2 or 3 posters here who are DLCers. it's pathetic you guys have to

resort to such a strawman.

kucinich is a grandstanding hack who has been an inconsequential backbencher his entire career. outside of DU most people don't even know who the hell he is.

[man4allcats]

182. Kucinich is Great.

All praise to Kucinich and irrelevance to the DLC infidels!

[defendandprotect]

189. Maybe 2-3 DLC'ers who admit it ... the rest in the closet here . . .

[defendandprotect]

151. If you were the DLC . . .

wouldn't you want to try to control this website as much as possible . . .

one way or another? Influence . . . investment?

[man4allcats]

183. What is your point?

I don't care if the DLC tries to control this website. It makes no difference to me. I'm gonna keep right on sayin' what I say regardless of who likes or doesn't like it - at least until Skinner boots my ass outa here anyway. But until then, all bets are off. I call'em like I see'em.

[TransitJohn]

130. It started with the takover of the Kerry guys when we supported Dr. Dean.

It's gotten steadily worse since. And when we mobilize and get out the vote, they act like it's their winning strategies.

[defendandprotect]

152. I haven't been able to get my son to vote after what they did to Howard Dean . . .!!!

[defendandprotect]

153. Kerry was another candidate who rated low, low, low and ended up on top . .. Really???

As many say . . . "they pick our leadership for us" -- !!!

[ProleNoMore]

7. I Stand With Dennis Kucinich

eom

[Echo In Light]

23. +1

[Bolo Boffin]

9. I was sad when I saw Kucinich had voted against the bill.

But his vote against the Stupak bill told me that his heart was in the right place. There are plenty of Democrats who voted FOR Stupak and then voted against the bill itself. That's where the real ire should be directed.

[chill_wind]

16. Exactly. n't

[Go2Peace]

34. Exactly.

[Bluenorthwest]

52. There were 24 of them! Two dozen.

[L0oniX]

84. The fucking bill is dead anyway. It's all been a dog and pony show.

The bill will never pass the senate and I would bet every last dollar I have on it.

[bjobotts]

169. Yeah because it meant you could "trust" that something was really wrong with it.

[stray cat]

10. And DU is the deciding vote in any election?

[Go2Peace]

14. Obviously not, and one of the reasons that the attacks are not needed nor desired

[rudy23]

26. The attacks are needed because Dennis has the moral high ground, and makes the DLC look bad.

It's only one vote, but it's a vote that speaks volumes from one of the progressive blogosphere's most trusted elected representatives.

[MrMickeysMom]

104. At this point, I don't see what can make the DLC look GOOD-

At each turn, we see - what? It's the status quo protecting all those who were elected a la special corporate interests. If this kind of strategy was supposed to solidify any faith in the DLC Democrats voted into office in 06 Party, I'll eat my new underwear.

Every political influence in this administration based from the DLC acts NO DIFFERENTLY. They are nothing more than a wooden spoon blending special interests with that of "running" this country.

Result? They're running it into the ground economically, and permanently widening the disparity of income, thus permanent underclassman. Welcome to the machine.

JUST HOW MUCH LONGER CAN WE HAVE PATIENCE? I'd like to shove my a hard-tipp boot up the collective ass of the DLC Democrats in office and GET THEM THE HELL OUT OF THERE NOW.

[tekisui]

70. No, but party activists are largely represented here.

Without our support(party activists), the boots on the ground will not be there. The donations will not be there. The phone calls and the door knocks will not be there. And, don't look to the blue mutt constituency to fill that void, they won't.

[Zodiak]

138. But they WILL blame you

They will accuse you of the circular firing squad and place all of their bad fortune on those disloyal liberals.

They will NOT examine the fact that their actions say only that they hate us.

[Egnever]

Speak for yourself please. I'll take a grayson over a kucinich

any day of the week. Dennis is an interesting side show nothing more. His impact is next to 0 as his legislative record attests.

[Go2Peace]

18. I'll take both of them. And if you were paying attention, some of these attacked Grayson as well

You need to leave behind the black and white thinking. If you like Greyson, you are more like us than unlike us. You fight against "your own".

[Egnever]

49. theres a reason I like Grayson and not Dennis

Grayson has shown his willingness to compromise to get things accomplished already despite being a firebrand. Dennis on the other hand stands on principle and the results of that be damned.

Sure I love a lot of the things Dennis has to say, but if he cant get on board after all the haggling is done then he just becomes an obstacle to progress despite his stance on the issues.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. Grayson is great, but he's been in Congress just a year

and has yet to even be re elected. There is not enough record there to even compare to DK's long tenure. It is a silly comparison, based on nothing.

[defendandprotect]

154. Somehow war always seems to get thru and accomplished . . .

doesn't make sense to anyone, but the right wing gets it done.

It's the power of money over government.

As long as we don't change that, violence and insanities will always win.

Meanwhile, let's not compromise with them.

[Political Heretic]

20. Graysons legislative record is no different

Given that he's a freshman. I appreciate people willing to tell the truth, so I appreciate both Grayson and Kucinich and I see no reason to trash one to support the other.

[Egnever]

48. Well one knew when it was time to get on board

the other didnt. Thats my reason for trashing one and not the other. You are right though grayson doesnt have an accomplishemnt record yet. I am willing to bet he will with time. He has the fire in the belly and he is willing to compromise to get to his goals. Something deniss hasnt learned.

[defendandprotect]

155. ... because compromise is such a great thing -- !!! Didn't Gore compromise for the DLC ...

in ending his populous speeches which so disturbed the DLC?

Afterwards, he deeply regretted listening to them.

[Enthusiast]

128. I would prefer we have Kucinich and Grayson

as they are both needed to stem the influence of corporate money that appears to have taken over the Democratic Party. To characterize Dennis as a side show sounds like the words of a stealth Republican to me. Dennis is THE example of a good Democrat.

[robinlynne]

12. Thank-you and kandr!

[skipos]

15. A majority of this board doesn't give a rip about this pro-DK vs. anti-DK pissing contest

as far as I can tell. There are about 150,000 registrations, and this thread probably won't get more than 300 recs.

[Jennicut]

21. But why bring that up? Some people want a war.

DK is okay, he has done many good things. I only really disagreed with this vote.

[Go2Peace]

24. Thanks for your thoughts, but why add to the posts then?

We are tired of it too. If you really pay attention you will see a pattern of purposeful trolling, 4 or 5 OPs and hour and coordinated recs, and we just got sick of it.

And by the way, name me all those +300 posts? That is quite unusual for this board. I have never seen a pro-DLC post hit 300, but DK is well liked here and his support is shown in high post counts. Just accept it. There are a lot of progressives who think he is one of the "good guys".

[skipos]

35. Why ad the posts?

Because I don't give a fuck about adding posts and this is a discussion board? Y'all can make 10 "DK rulez! Everyone who disagrees is a paid DLCer!" threads an hour, it won't piss me off. It gets tiresome, but it really isn't that big of a deal to me.


I can accept that it is easy to make the argument that DK doesn't accomplish much, and I can accept that it is easy to make the argument that he best represents progressive. Get off DU, and most Democrats aren't talking about him one way or another.

[Go2Peace]

46. well now that was agressive. I won't respond next time.

angry much?

[skipos]

62. No aggression whatsoever.

You are misreading my post if you think any aggression is there. Ignore my potty mouth. :hi:

[Go2Peace]

64. I did misread. Thought you said "get off!" DU to *me*. On reread that isnot what you said

sorry about that. I think I need new glasses ;)

[Number23]

78. Say it again, man!

Get off DU, and most Democrats aren't talking about him one way or another.

Not just Democrats, the whole damn world!!!

[redqueen]

57. +1,000,000

OH, THE DRAMA! :rofl:

[Number23]

79. +100. You win.

A majority of this board doesn't give a rip about this pro-DK vs. anti-DK pissing contest

The truth! It BURNS!!!!

[natrat]

113. yea but i bet a bunch of people detest the paid/professional dlc poster dynamic that goes on

[defendandprotect]

157. Yes . . .

This isn't exactly a wholly owned democratic liberal/progressive website --

we might give some thought to getting one?

[geek tragedy]

19. Yes, so the Kucinch fans demonizing Pelosi, Obama and everyone

else in the party as DLC sellouts doesn't make y'all purists and zealots.

:rolleyes:

Newsflash: Dennis Kucinich does not reflect the mainstream of the Democratic party. He does not have the support of 99% of the Democratic party.

[reggie the dog]

27. Using abortion as a bargaining chip with the opposition

when your party has an outright majority IS SELLING OUT!

[Go2Peace]

30. You are confused. I have never singled out any of them and my stands are generally against

corporate influence and centrist political angling. It does not work. I have rarely attacked an individual representatives, and definitely not on the level that these folks do.

[geek tragedy]

32. Um, have you not seen the posts around here?

Everything is Obama betrayed this, Obama took bribes that, Kucinich shows how awful Obama really is.

[Go2Peace]

40. We all see through our own "lens". I see the posts you talk about too,

Something the Obama campaign did very well was bring young people into the process. When I see the posts that take a hard line and try to claim that the Obama's intentions are bad, I figure they have not been around long enough to understand that the human mind is a very complex thing, and more often than not people *think* they are doing the "right thing", even if their ideology or background leads them to make poor decisions, policy, not listen to the people, or not take stands that are needed.

(edited for spelling)

[geek tragedy]

43. Every bad thing I said about Kucinich supporters

clearly does not apply to you. You are wise, my friend.

[MadBadger]

89. You equate anybody who is pissed off at DK as DLCers.

That's just fucking wrong.

[natrat]

115. dem party not monolithic, it relies on independent voters and they are fleeing quickly

[winyanstaz]

144. I am a Kucinich fan..but I am not "demonizing" anyone in the dem party...

with the exception of traitor Joe.
However, I will post the truth as I see it about anyone in this party or the other.

[Bobbie Jo]

22. Ah...the resident DU Expert opines again.

Facinating....please continue. :popcorn:

[Go2Peace]

31. Glad you like it ;)

[rudy23]

25. Check out these links --- I'd posted them in the wrong place upthread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6022082

Also, check my journal for more links where I try to shine some light on the roaches

[Go2Peace]

41. The link didn't work?

[rudy23]

44. Sorry, it's fixed now. nt

[MuseRider]

28. It is all stupid.

Everyone has a right to feel and vote how they want. People who feel the need to bully and continually knock down others are insecure or just mean. Don't pay any attention to it. You can't defend him because they are so certain they are right and they want you to know you are crazy to support him and a traitor. Just let them be. They are unhappy and angry and you do not need to be.

[azmouse]

33. GObama!

He's President.

[inna]

36. Gladly K-d & R-d!

:kick:

[NikolaC]

38. K&R n/t

[golddigger]

39. K&R

:kick:

[bobthedrummer]

42. Yep.

[WeDidIt]

45. You sound just like an Orly Taitz maniac

On the Birther boards, like Freerepublic, anybody who DARES to belittle Orly Taitz is automatically labeled an "Obot".

Here, anybody wwho DARES to question Kucinich is automatically labeled a DLCer.

Two sides, same coin.

[xultar]

54. +1

[Forkboy]

56. And yet you do the same thing going the other way.

You sound just like an Orly Taitz maniac

It would appear your coin has you on it as well.

[Go2Peace]

61. Now you are comparing Kucinich to Orly Taitz?

Your comparison is a red herring.

[EFerrari]

87. Unlike the illiterate denizens of Freak Republic

you know the difference between belittling and questioning and labeling -- right?

[Orsino]

47. I could almost unrec for the wishful thinking in the subject line...

...but I applaud the content. :thumbsup:

[earth mom]

50. Kucinich 2012!!!

:woohoo:

[Individualist]

51. +1

[pampango]

53. Are you saying you think DK would have voted for the bill if Pelosi needed his vote?

"They know that, with HCR, he understood he would not kill it, and used the opportunity to speak up that this bill was not what the people asked for and really needed, and they understand they he did that because he CARES about the poor and the sick, and this was what he thought would be the part he should play in this bill."

That's an interesting opinion which I haven't seen here before. It wouldn't make him unique, since all congresspeople do that when their party needs them and votes his/her conscience at other times.

I read that 55 of the 57 members of the Progressive Caucus in the House voted for the HCR bill. If DK wanted to be the "voice of the poor and sick", since enough PC members did vote in favor that his vote wasn't needed, that's great by me.

[redqueen]

59. I get the impression that most of the people praising his no vote here

really do want the bill killed. And most probably believe that he'd have voted it down even if it didn't have the votes.

[Go2Peace]

60. I think there is a good chance that would have been the case

But one of the problems with the HC bill is there was no transparency. None of us have the slightest what has been going on behind the scenes. It's all guesswork. My thoughts are based on DKs fairly consistant charactor. He cares for the sick and poor.

[mod mom]

63. I think it's great of have a man of principle represent the people! Not my congressman but I donate

to his re-election because of his principles!

[timtom]

65. K&R

Yeah, I've come up against a couple of those bozoids a few days ago. Just frothing at the mouth while intoning, "What has he accomplished?"

This really is a monument to DLC talking points:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6912454

[KittyWampus]

66. BLACK AND WHITE THINKING! Are you kidding? What a hypocrite. Who could be more b&w than Dennis

Can't vote for a bill cause it isn't perfect.

[redqueen]

68. *roffle*

Excellent point!

I don't believe he'd have voted no if it had meant the bill would die.

There was some major-leage horse-trading going on, and I'm sure Dennis trades with the best of 'em.

[sabrina 1]

69. So, aside from him being one of 39 Democrats who voted

against the bill, what issues do you disagree with him about?

[Mithreal]

71. K&R

[bvar22]

73. Here is some interesting data about DU and Dennis Kucinich:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3649440

The conservative "Centrists" are an extreme minority at DU.
They scream very LOUD, and group attack Progressive threads, but their numbers are actually quite small.

Historically, there have been periods where allegiance to Political Parties or Charismatic Politicians has superseded commitment to Good Policy or Humanitarian Values.
Those periods have ended badly.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[BeHereNow]

74. And, may I add, they actually think their "group attack" methods are not noticed...

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Too funny!
My ignore list is short, but concise.
They stand out like tone deaf pedophiles in a boys soprano choir.

BHN

[bvar22]

75. The majority of the crude disruptions..

...are caused by a belligerent group of about 5 Centrist/Conservatives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeremy-scahill/rahm-emanuels-think-tanke_b_185203.html

[BeHereNow]

77. Just about the exact number on my ignore list...

imagine that!

[bvar22]

110. I truly hope they are getting paid, because...

...anyone who works that hard for FREE is a fucking idiot.
:rofl:

[chill_wind]

114. LOL! I can't tell you

how many times I've said that exact_same_thing to myself, the last 3 days especially.

[QC]

76. That poll was done before the invasion of the True Believers. n/t

[Number23]

81. Wow. You actually have charts and graphs to monitor this foolishness??!

Good grief. I honestly don't know whether to laugh or just shake my head at how stupid all of this is!

Edit: Okay, I see now it's really just one poll, some links and I think you've been running around telling everyone to check your journal. Still seems like a bit much for a minor Congressman out of of Ohio that the vast majority of America and the world couldn't give two craps about but whatever floats your boat!

[bvar22]

107. Full of shit....as usual.

"I think you've been running around telling everyone to check your journal."

Please provide a link, or everyone will know you are just spreading lies.

[Number23]

181. What's the "full of shit as usual" crap about?? You act like you know me.

You don't.

And if the simple, BENIGN comment "I think you've been telling people to check your journal" gets your panties this twisted, I think I'm beginning to understand your faith in and obsession with Dennis Kucinich. :rofl:

[bvar22]

185. I know your DU persona.

I have read your posts.
After observing a common characteristic of all your posts, I was able to formulate a general hypothesis:
You, DU Member "Number23", are full of shit.

Now, you CAN disprove my hypothesis by providing a link to your belief stated here:
"I think you've been telling people to check your journal"

If you are unable to support your claim, then my hypothesis stands.
Case closed.

[Number23]

186. lol Babe, some Midol might help your day. Or maybe a good dose of Metamucil

Your hysteria is actually quite hilarious. And it's too funny that you consider me "full of shit" when I couldn't name two posts that you've made on this whole damn web site in the years that you've been here and that's including your "Dennis is being stalked by the DLC! See my poll and charts post!!one!" in this very thread. You damn sure ain't made an impression one way or another on me, hon. But most idiots don't.

And I'll take being deemed "full of shit" by a deranged madman any day of the week. It's sure as hell better than having the deranged madman agreeing with you.

[Egnever]

83. Considering the results of the election

I would say that poll is a testement to the fact that theres a large portion of DU that lives in fantasyland.

[EFerrari]

88. No, the poll is a testament to the fact that Wall Street has more influence

on elections than we do.

[Lorien]

122. Bingo. nt

[Enthusiast]

132. And therein lies the problem.

Fuck freeptards, whether the pose as Democrats or not.

[Kaleva]

93. A poll influenced by name recognition and anti-Clinton bias

Hillary had voted for the IWR and Obama was an unknown in Oct. of '07.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

106. Thank you for this

I was getting down after reading all these centrist/DLC types on here throwing Dennis under the bus. One particular comment called me a "left wing teabagger", I thought that was beyond the pale. It is good to see this poll and you are absolutely right there have been periods where "allegiance to Political Parties or Charismatic Politicians has superseded commitment to Good Policy or Humanitarian Values" And yes those periods have always ended horribly. I hope it doesnt end badly this time.

[dionysus]

119. anything to keep the notion you guys are somehow the majority on DU eh?

:rofl:

[Lorien]

123. We are indeed. nt

[dionysus]

124. ROFL

:rofl:

[ProSense]

80. Yeah, that worked during the primary. LOL! Kucinich is

completely wrong?

When he pronounced a public option dead, he was talking crap.

When he voted against SCHIP, I thought his vote sucked, and his vote against the House health bill is a big FAIL.

[stranger81]

82. k&r [n/t]

[PHIMG]

85. I hope he runs for President again.

And I just want to point out that Markos at DailyKos hates him with a white hot passion and that's a good reason to stop reading that POS site if you do. (Read OpenLeft or FireDogLake instead)

[Desertrose]

86. K & R for Dennis & progressives n/t

[Kaleva]

90. majority of progressives think DK is irrelevant

if one argues that the base of the party is progressive/liberal and that the base is most influential and active in primaries, why did DK get so little traction in the presidential primaries he ran in? Can't place the blame on the MSM for ignoring him as the OP makes the claim progressives (at least on this board) are well read.

[HamdenRice]

91. NEWSFLASH! In real world, Kucinich's poll ratings climb dramatically from 4% to 4.05 % !!1!

[republicansarewhores]

94. Definitely

K&R!

RAW

[Techn0Girl]

95. DIVIDE AND CONQUER

The best way to eliminate an opposing group is to destroy it from within. Some of it can be done by plants and astroturfers who manufacture dissent within the group. Other parts of it can be done by employing what the Russians used to call "useful idiots" who only see one side of the issue and go around and create the dissent with just a little push (like an anti-Kucinich thread for example.

Regardless of how the dissent is created the damage gets done.

We need to grow beyond simple-minded black and white thinking that does no one any good. We need to stand together on the important points.

Or we will fall and be lost.

[rudy23]

125. Yep. That's why you're seeing the terms "left wing teabagger" and others equating progressives w/

right wingers. I think we're seeing the beginning of a loooooong divide and conquer strategy from the DLC. And we thought we slayed this beast last November. We were had.

[Kitty Herder]

96. K&R

[jeanpalmer]

97. No one can destroy DK

not here, not anywhere. No matter what they say. That's because he is right on the issues.

I favored Obama over Hillary, voted for Obama in the general, but would have no problem voting for DK in 2012 in a primary. Would work for and contribute to him because he stands for what I believe in. If Obama sends more troops to Afghanistan, he will cease to exist for me. It's a defining moment.

DK has a lot of grass roots support. People were fed a choice between Hillary and Obama in 2008. Hillary won't be there in 2012. DK might be. That grass roots support would show up in 2012 in a primary if Obama doesn't change. I see DK as a potential alternative to Obama in 2012. If people stay pissed at Obama, it will happen. Challenges have happened before, McCarthy drove the other LBJ out. DK could take care of the current version.

[JTFrog]

98. Talk about LaLa land.

Fucking A. I've heard it all now.

DK is gonna primary Obama out of the 2012 race. :crazy: :crazy:

"If people stay pissed at Obama..." His approval numbers are staying between 50-60% not 20-30%. There just aren't enough purists or PUMA's in this country to support your little fantasy and if you think any Rethugs are gonna cross party lines to vote for DK... well give me a few weeks to stop laughing.

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

But hey, knock yourself out. I'm sure you'll be just as negative over the next three years as you have since you got here. :shrug:

[jeanpalmer]

99. No one thought McCarthy would successfully

challenge LBJ in '68. LBJ also had very high approval ratings after his landslide victory in '64. But MCarthy drove him out in '68. We could have equivalent amounts of unrest in 2012. A lot depends on the economy and the wars. If the unemployment rate rises to 13%, that approval rating will fall. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHmxIMR1DFq0 And if the wars are still ongoing, that's more trouble. If there's a lot of unrest in the country and the party, I don't think a primary challenge is farfetched. You can see on DU Obama would lose a good part of his base.

I'm negative on Obama because he lied to us and doesn't have a clue about these wars. He won't institute the change our country needs. He's more of a caretaker, that's how I see him. The country cries out for bold change, but all we're getting is the same old same old. OTOH, I'm positive on DK. He's a real Democrat. Time to face up to it bud.

[JTFrog]

101. "You can see on DU Obama would lose a good part of his base."

Just keep those zingers coming!

:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:

Keep on dreaming... "bud".

[dionysus]

121. kucinich will never win a single primary. he'd further cement his legacty as a laughingstock if he

runs against obama.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

100. "The majority on this board don't think in "Black and White"."

And yet... That's all Kooky Kucinich does...

:dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:

[NorthCarolina]

102. K&R for America's Congressman!!! nt

[spiritual_gunfighter]

105. Hell yes!

K&R I am not going to let the corporate DLC Dems on this board malign one of our only voices. I know why they are doing it, and I am not leaving.

[bvar22]

108. Despite the failed group attack by DU's 5 Conservatives,

...this thread remains at the top.



"Centrism"....for those who are Half-Republican.

[dana_b]

142. the silent majority

includes a lot of DK supporters who, don't dislike or hate Obama as some think, but do like those who stick to their principles.

[fascisthunter]

109. damnit! Don't tell them That!

shit was working so well... kidding. It's working out that way irregardless, but yes, their phony attacks on the man are sheding more light than I think they realize. Too late now...

[Lex]

111. 101 recs

:thumbsup:

[Enthusiast]

116. Dennis took a principled stand

against the business as usual legislator. This is what we need more of, not less of.

[dionysus]

117. you know what i find amazing? there's a subset of DUers who can trash the president

and his supporters day, after day, after day, after day, and that's just fine and swell. noble even.

but say anything about dennis, watch the pampers fill and see folks howl in outrage. suddenly everyone is a nefarious DLC agent.

apparently they can dish it out but can't take it.

[suzie]

127. +100

[billh58]

173. +1000

Exactly!

[redqueen]

175. "they can dish it out but can't take it."

Yup.

[ooglymoogly]

120. Thank you for that reality check which has been obvious to many of us;

However it needed to be said as succinctly as you have said it ....kr nt

[swilton]

126. I agree with Dennis' Stand!

I think what's left of the health care reform initiative is now largely an effort to save Obama some embarrassment. Any reform has been taken out. I blame any number of our Democratic Party leaders - the least of which is Dennis. If we can't get health care reform with majorities in our legislture and executive branches, what can we expect?

[Scarsdale Vibe]

131. "Would you have changed your vote if yours was the deciding tally?" "No."

I'm merely taking Saint Dennis at his word when he says he would have killed hundreds of thousands of people given the opportunity.

[shireen]

133. we have DLC'ers here?

:wow:

[dionysus]

174. seriously, i know of 2 or 3. but the new meme is that anyone who questions dennis is a DLC plant.

:rofl:

[redqueen]

176. You forgot "rovian".

:rofl:

[dionysus]

178. can i borrow a roffle?

:evilgrin:

[redqueen]

179. But of course!

:D

[PurgedVoter]

134. K&R odd how misunderstood DK is.

I keep hearing people call him an extreme liberal. People seem to think he is wild, brash and strange. Here is a little perspective. When I joined DU, it was a bit of a brave act. In our most paranoid moments, many of us feared that we might well be endangering our families and ourselves by speaking out. Outrage after outrage had passed, each one seeming a deal breaker and yet * kept on going.

During this time, DK, spoke out. At a time when Prison Planet was beginning to sound pretty reasonable, DK never fell back, he never retreated and he never lied. Seems to me his positions and stands have always been closer to reality than the DLC, DNC, or whatever the opposition ever said. He is braver, more honest and more often right than just about anyone else on the political scene. Sad that those qualities are so rare today as to seem extreme.

[jeanpalmer]

184. Dennis is extreme

He wants to end the wars, provide single payer health care, and take down the Wall Street fraudsters. That's the kind of extremism in the Oval Office I could come to like.

[Deep13]

136. Strawman. FAIL. nt

[neuvocat]

137. He voted the same way Michelle Bachman did.

[Bryn]

140. K & R

:kick:

Dennis :loveya:

[Zodiak]

141. While I agree with most of the content of the OP

I have to also interject that I do not subscribe to the notion that there are a bunch of paid DLCers running around on DU. I think we undermine ourselves when we level such an accusation because, frankly, we have no evidence of that. Authoritarian-type personalities would explain that much easier...those who see which way authority leans and then get behind that with all of their might. Just because we are Democrats does not mean we do not have authoritarians of our own...we do, just not in the proportions you see on the other side (30-35% of the human population are considered "authoritarian personalities"). They tend to coalesce around power centers, and Dennis Kucinich most certainly is not that.

Now I have noticed that the types of posters you identify are extremely prolific....probably a hundred posts a day each. I honestly do not see why people have such time for that, but then again I live in my own skin, not someone else's.

My ignore list has the ones who are the personal attackers, along with a couple of overzealous lefties who engage in the same behavior. It is sad, really, that people are willing to hurt one another and insult each other's intelligence over these important issues. If they are so important that you'll be an ass about it, they are important enough to deserve an honest debate.

Just point the BS where you can, refuse to engage them in the personal attacks and name-calling, and otherwise stick to your principles. DU continues to have a progressive majority despite the number of prolific centrist-leaning posters. The progressives are posting less because of the virulence of the attacks over the last year or so, but they are still here reading....and thinking as they always have.

For the record, I support DK's vote so long as it would not kill the bill entirely. Seems he did just that, so I see no reason to complain about him. He is right that the bill is faaaaar less than we deserve or could have done if the game were not fixed by power-brokers within our own party.

But DK has good company because the centrist-leaning DUers and personality-driven DUers have already engaged in gang-ups on:

Rachael Maddow
Keith Olberman
Thom Hartmann
Ed Schultz
Johnathan Turley
Paul Krugman
Matt Tiabbi
Cenk Uygar
Helen Thomas
Howard Dean

The crime is always criticism of a right-wing position taken or episode of triangulation by the Democratic party or the administration, but the accusations are always "attention whore", "unhinged fringe", "stupid", etc. We've been around this block so many times now that the whole exercise is comical.

[winyanstaz]

143. K & R.....

Dennis is a man of the people...and we know it well.
His voting record speaks for itself.
His intelligence speaks for itself.
And now we will stand behind him against these kinds of attacks.
You GO Dennis Kucinich!
Thank you for all you have done and continue to do for the taxpayers and citizens of America!

[defendandprotect]

145. DLC influence is poisonous on the Democratic Party . . . it's the corporate-wing --

Rahm Emmanuel is poison -- yet Obama eloped into the White House with him.

Any corporate control over the parties or our people's government is poisonous.

DLC represents government of, by and for the elite/capitalists/corporations.

LOVE DENNIS KUCINICH -- he's a courageous man walking a very tough road for a long time

and my best wishes are with him that he may continue to do so!

[defendandprotect]

146. kick

[StillHopingForChange]

147. Kicked and Rec'd

[ChiciB1]

158. I Realize Bernie Sanders Isn't Actually A Democrat... But He's My Kind Of Guy...

Seems he's NOT liking THE BILL and is generally turned off by it, so what will people say when HE says NO?

I DON'T like the bill, and I actually think it would be better if they scrapped it and started ALL OVER! Wishful thinking won't make it so, and besides "eye" am only "one" who doesn't matter that much! But "eye" will stand up for Bernie Sanders myself!

It's quite DIFFERENT from a defector like LIE-berman who is simply a vile contemptible turn coat! Mr. LIE is just so full of himself and cares NOT for many others! Please CT, KICK HIM OUT!!

But, Bernie on the other hand is to the Senate what Kucinich is to the House! At least for me!

[sheldon]

163. Dennis is a rare fellow.

One of the few that I truly respect in politics.

[LatteLibertine]

166. I like Dennis, always have

Yes we need more people like Dennis in Washington. Unfortunately, the political reality is we live in corporatist nation and lobbyist influence is darn near overwhelming in Washington. I'd like to see that change and am open to ideas.

Support on DU isn't going to get it done. We're laying the groundwork for the return of the Republicans.

Our party is very flawed and I'm not interested in the alternative.

I'm no Blue Dog and I'm no Progressive, I'm a proud LIBERAL.

[JetCityLiberal]

168. k&r

:thumbsup: Go2Peace.

Right with ya!

Paul

[Autumn]

170. Under the bus with Dennis Kucinich,

most of the other people I like are under there with him. :kick: for Dennis Kucinich.

[billh58]

171. It appears that

the entire, but underwhelming, 2% of Democratic voters nationwide who "support" (worship?) DK are all members of DU. Dennis the Menace is one of 435 House Representatives who sometimes says pleasing things, but accomplishes little, and exhibits zero leadership qualities.

[NorthCarolina]

172. Kick!!! nt

[Last Stand]

187. I'm sending DK $100 for his troubles.

I don't give much to politicians because I hate the idea that they go to the highest bidder rather than voting their conscience, but Dennis is the clear exception. He won't win any elections on my modest donation, but I'll vote with my wallet on this issue.

And thanks, DK , for being a true voice of the people. :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: