Here's a named witness to the "Allahu Akbar" shout:

[struggle4progress]

Fort Hood soldier: I 'started doing what I was trained to do'
November 9, 2009 11:41 a.m. EST

Fort Hood, Texas (CNN) -- Pvt. Joseph Foster was filling out routine paperwork for his upcoming deployment to Afghanistan on Thursday when he heard a shout quickly followed by a burst of gunfire from just a few feet away.

"I was sitting in about the second row back when the assailant stood up and yelled 'Allahu akbar' in Arabic and he opened fire," Foster said Monday on CNN's "American Morning."

Foster, 21, said he wasn't clear about whether the gunman said those exact words, noting that "with that much adrenaline, you tend to forget things" ...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/09/fort.hood.foster/

[spanone]

1. 'he wasn't clear about whether the gunman said those exact words'...say no more

[Christa]

2. If I remember correctly

The first responder, the woman who shot him, could not remember him saying anything at all.

[Spoonman]

3. Seeing as she was not there

when it all started, your point is mute.

The guy is an extremist Muslim, the evidence gets stronger every day.

[devilgrrl]

10. "The guy is an extremist Muslim, the evidence gets stronger every day."

Does it now? What am I missing since I'm not bothering to follow this story but no one really knows what is what yet. So fill in blanks for me.

:popcorn:

[kestrel91316]

18. "moot"

[Bunny]

20. Oh for fuck sake, the point isn't "mute".

It's moot. Speak English.

[Rebubula]

22. First...

...why be a dick about it? Perhaps the poster is not as educated as you or English is not their 1st language. Does someone's lack of knowledge really piss you off to the point that you become a pedantic asshole?

2nd...according to Joey it is actually a 'Moo Point' - you know, it is like a cow's opinion, no one cares.

[Bunny]

24. Yeah, whatever.

[Rebubula]

25. Awesome Comeback!!

How is that arrogant asshole persona working out for you?

[Bunny]

27. Thank you. I think it's working out okay so far.

[AllieB]

48. So you agree with Spoonman that the killer was 'an extremist Muslim'?

[devilgrrl]

28. "The guy is an extremist Muslim, the evidence gets stronger every day."

That's what got me to be an asshole. I'd love to hear his answer.

[Rebubula]

32. No problem with your response

His statement deserved a response...not his lack of understanding of the English Language. My problem is with a person that berates another for a spelling mistake or ignorance of a word. It is petty and adds nothing to the debate. The error can be pointed out without being a jerk.

However...your Jindel picture always freaks me out! Too creepy...

[devilgrrl]

36. Sorry about the sig pic - not nearly as frightening as his in real life.

:scared: now, that's creepy.

BTW, I make stupid mistakes like "mute" "moot" all the time. I don't mind being called on it - I am glad to learn from it.

[Rebubula]

40. I have no problem...

...being corrected as long as the person is not mean about it. We all make mistakes and need guidance from time to time.

However, telling someone "for fuck's sake learn English" is not productive. It is mean and petty.


No need to apologize about the sig pic...I think that it is cool. And creepy.

[RaleighNCDUer]

50. Aw, give him a break.

He's from Texas, so English is a second language to him.

[MineralMan]

23. How can her point be silent.

Or, did you mean "moot?" Words mean things, you know...

[Hannah Bell]

37. lol. read the article. the "witness" couldn't remember if he said

"those exact words".

it's only two words, if he can't remember if he said those "exact" two words, his "witness" is worthless.

[Hepburn]

39. It's moot, not mute. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

67. Moot, moot, moot...

I'm not usually a grammar or spelling Nazi, but that error drives me nuts.

[zbdent]

69. Considering that we are constantly bombarded with the message that no lily-livered

liberal would ever put his or her life on the line and join the military forces (at least, that's what you hear from the RW talking heads ... unless the "liberal media" is quoting "phony soldiers"), and that the military is so totally in agreement with the Republican party on everything ...

I find it hard to believe that they had an "extremist Muslim" slip through the cracks so well for all those years ... I thought we had shipped all the threats to Gitmo ... I mean, isn't it the current lament that Obama was going to just plain release all the most dangerous terrorists into the United States if it weren't for the patriotic Repugniconvicts/Conservatives stopping him from kowtowing to his liberal base?

[intheflow]

71. The word is "moot." n/t

[Beaverhausen]

4. and a DUer who's sister was there said people told her he said something like...

..."I'm not going" or "You are sending me" Can't remember the exact quote.

[Bonobo]

9. Yep. And that's from A DU'er. More reliable IMHO. nt

[Soylent Brice]

19. edit:

took what you said as sarcasm.

[Bonobo]

30. He he, I don't blame you. But I was serious. nt

[Soylent Brice]

46. cool. right on.

:)

[Hepburn]

42. +1

[Soylent Brice]

16. that would be me. : )

my sister was there tending to gunshot wounds in the ER at the hospital on base. she said several soldiers who came in said that he screamed "i'm not fucking going!" repeatedly.

[Bonobo]

31. Have you considered contacting news agencies with that information? nt

[Soylent Brice]

54. yes and no.

here, anonymously, no risk.

go to the press and i risk putting my sister in trouble with her CO.

i'm waiting to see how it pans out, after then my sister (and a few of her fellow soldiers that were there) are trying to decide to go public with what they know, and what implications that could have. she's career, been in quite a while.

not sure she's ready to rock the boat just yet.

[Bonobo]

57. I HEAR you for sure.

Tough situation! Please, please keep us all informed, ok? (or PM me anyway)

[Soylent Brice]

63. absolutely.

[proteus_lives]

38. Wow, He didn't want to go to war but was fine with murdering American soldiers?

This guy sounds worse everyday.

[Bonobo]

43. He didn't want to go to war with other "Muslims". nt

[Hannah Bell]

47. you know this how?

[Bonobo]

52. I don't know for certain. I am speculating of course.nt

[Soylent Brice]

56. she was freaked out. she was telling me she knew who he was, because most of her patients

saw him as well.

she cares for returning soldiers, dental work/surgery etc.

the guy is certainly a wackjob, but what people keep forgetting is that there have 2 other shootings at this base this year alone already.

there's obviously a pattern here.

[Beaverhausen]

45. thank you. I had read what you said but forgot the wording they said he used

:hi:

[Soylent Brice]

58. no problem!

i stumbled in here, as well as all the other threads regarding this, because it's interesting to see what's being reported, and what i'm actually hearing from someone actually there.

[imdjh]

7. Yes, a defense attorney would seize upon that lack of certainty. Whereas a normal person...

.... would assume that that translates to "Sounded like that to me, I suppose it could have been something else in Arabic."

He might not be certain whether it was Arabic or Hebrew either. Most people wouldn't be. So let's just forget he said anything.

:boring:

[spanone]

12. he probably said 'merry christmas'

[imdjh]

14. I almost barf if I do the ::hock:: thing in the middle of some words.

Kind of like when I am trying to imitate Amy Goodman's voice, if I have had too much coffee I can get some reflux.

[WolverineDG]

13. It could also have been suggested

Reporter: "Did you hear him say anything?"

Soldier:"Yeah, but I couldn't really hear what he said."

Reporter: "Did it sound like 'blah blah blah'?"

Soldier" "Yeah, maybe, something like that."

end interview.

Reporter: "Soldier A says he heard the assailant say 'blah blah blah'"

I've seen this shading of the truth before.

dg

[imdjh]

15. This isn't child molestation.

But I confess I was thinking that it would be interesting if Americans come to hear "Allah Ackbar" before any kind of explosion or gun fire, in the sam way people report seeing planes burst into flames before or upon crashing, even though video doesn't show it.

[WolverineDG]

51. Didn't say it was

happens all the time with eyewitness statements, whether to reporters, law enforcement, or do-goodie social workers.

dg

[Egnever]

5. I really dont understand why people care about this

other than perhaps they dont want a backlash against muslims. Aside from that the dude was clearly unstable, these things happen all the time. Welcome to life.

[struggle4progress]

70. ABC reported the CIA had tracked the guy attempting to link up with al-Qaida. Another lie, it seems,

and part of a pre-packaged political game. Do you understand the role that mass media played in the Shoah, or in the ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia, or in Rwanda? Never again!

[Bonobo]

6. "I'm not fucking going" is what I heard someone said he said. NT

[Beacho]

8. So what?

?

[virgogal]

11. Who cares what he said,he's a murderer. Period.

[imdjh]

17. Rottweilers and collies.

If a collie attacks and kills a child, people are shocked, they assume it's because the animal had been abused or had lost its mind or the kid did something to it. If a Rottie attacks a child, they assume it was a vicious animal, bred and born to kill, trained to attack, generally untrustworthy and the owner must have a small penis and be paranoid to even own a dog like that.

[Sinti]

21. Does yelling "Allahu akbar" automatically

make you an extremist terrorist? Is that the consensus? If someone yelled "god have mercy" which comports to our style of thinking versus "God is Great" would that make them an extremist terrorist? I don't know, I'm having a hard time understanding this thing.

I'll tell you one thing, these extremists are the crappiest long-term planners I've ever seen. Think about this, you ram a small boat into a huge ship, and get the attention of the US Military - you just pissed off a gorilla. You blow up some innocent people in Kenya, and elsewhere, and not only does the US hate you, the people in Kenya hate you and all their friends.

They have no demands, except perhaps "stop enjoying your lives, you heathens!!!" I mean, really, what is it that they want - a Caliphate? If they're stupid enough to believe that's possible how is it they manage to stay so well hidden. Everywhere they show up the regular people are protesting them, the largest military on earth is after them and killing people all over the place... way of topic, sorry.

[Nye Bevan]

26. This may or may not have been Islamic terrorism

The "Allahu Akbar" thing suggests that it may well have been, but I don't see why it really matters. The guy is a mass murderer. And a murderer is a murderer, whether he is an Allahu-Akbar yelling Islamic fundamentalist looking forward to his reward of 72 virgins, or a right-wing nut who thinks that shooting abortion doctors is the will of God.

[Liquorice]

29. I don't know why it matters, but a victim who survived the attack said

Hasan yelled "something about Allah," before shooting him. I believe the victim.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-wounded_08.ART.State.Edition1.4bfd18f.html

[frylock]

33. maybe he said fuck allah y'all

[Liquorice]

34. LOL yeah, I kind of doubt that. Hasan is a fundamentalist. nt

[frylock]

68. Hasan is a fundamentalist..

please post links to back up your assertion. thx.

[The Magistrate]

35. Sounds Like An Honest Young Man, Ma'am

Sensible enough to be unsure....

[Bonobo]

41. And how does THIS sound?

"my sister was there tending to gunshot wounds in the ER at the hospital on base. she said several soldiers who came in said that he screamed "i'm not fucking going!" repeatedly."

[Liquorice]

44. It sounds to me like a friend of a friend of a friend said Hasan said... nt

[Bonobo]

49. Nope. More like a daughter of an actively posting DU'er. nt

[Liquorice]

53. It's not a direct witness like the victim who related what he experienced. nt

[Bonobo]

55. That is true. HOWEVER...

The "direct witness" equivocated and admitted to being uncertain.

The DU daughter heard it herself and heard multiple people claiming the same thing.

[Liquorice]

59. There was another direct witness that I posted about above who also

said Hasan yelled "something about Allah." This victim is named Najee Hull.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-wounded_08.ART.State.Edition1.4bfd18f.html

[Bonobo]

60. Of course both are possible too. nt

[Liquorice]

61. Yes, he probably said both things. nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

62. THAT sounds like the soldier that shot up Ft Bragg a couple years ago.

But of course, he was a christian, so he couldn't have been a terrorist.

[BeGoodDoGood]

65. No Way

He was most certainly not a Christian.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

64. "...yelled 'Allahu akbar' in Arabic ..."

Uh... "Allahu akbar" is Arabic, no?

[haele]

66. So, he vaugely heard something with a strong "A" ,and perhap an "R" sound

This is how "No way am I going" or Now way am I going over there" (reported by a DU'ers sister who was there and reporting what other soldiers were telling her what he was saying)> If I didn't want to go, this is how I would sound if I were agitated -
"No WAY am I FUCKING going over THERE!".

Now, we're in a noisy area, I shout that and begin shooting; and if you hear it garbled and confused (between the sound of shots), your brain would still be searching for the pattern of what I said when you try and remember the event. You only clearly hear the non-guttral, long hard sounds in the emphesized words; the "A" in way (w is soft sound), the CK'G in fucking (the F is short, the CK runs into the G for a hard K sound), and the "R" in there.

I would also be shouting "Jesus Christ" or "God" if I were vaguely Christian or Jewish, "Allah" if I were Muslim, or swear to other gods if I were religiously inclined otherwise.

So, after all that went on, someone tells you I'm a muslim terrorist. What would your pattern-seeking brain say you heard?
"(A)llah A(KK)ba(R)", the saying all the mulim terrorists shout before they set off the bomb or spray the area.

This is not an unusual occurance. In confused events, people will hear what they want to hear or they think they should hear.

My opinion - the guy went Postal. I don't think religion was the primary motive, I think being sent to what might be considered a unendurable place was the primary motive. Religion was a convenient secondary motive.
He apparently had few religious issues with staying in the Army for as long as he had (he was in at least 9 years - and as an officer, he could have requested retirement any time after 7 years instead of sitting out enlistments), he just couldn't stand being sent to the front lines.
If he hated the Army, the US, the occupation, the fighting of fellow Islamists as much as people think terrorist would have, he had the ability to retire and go out in to the general population and practice any time during Shrub's administration - when the call for "Crusade" was far stronger than it is now.

Haele