A Right Exists Only in One's Ability to Access That Right

[tekisui]

Since the founding of this country, women in the US have fought to expand both their rights and the ability of all women to access those rights. Rights without access are no rights at all. The liberal position is on the side with expansion and protection of civil liberties, especially women's rights.

It is disappointing that the Democratic Leadership allowed for compromises that are, without a doubt, on the opposite side of the debate. And for what? The blue mutts still voted against it. I don't blame the flea-ridden blue mutts. I blame the weak and ineffective 'leadership'. They courted the conservadems and allowed the party to be diseased, instead of owning them.

We need real leaders.

[get the red out]

1. I like the way you state that

What is a right worth if you have absolutely no access to it? It isn't a right at all.

But hey, if it is just silly females, they shouldn't be permitted to make their own health decisions anyway. :sarcasm:

White Christian MEN are the ruination of this country. Fuck them.

[slackmaster]

2. Does having a right imply that other people should be compelled to pay for your exercise of it?

Where's my free gun?

[tekisui]

3. The right is actively trying to strip women's rights.

We should be fighting back by expanding and protecting access to it. Any undo burden placed on women seeking medical care should not be accepted.

There is no unreasonable burden on your right to bear arms.

[slackmaster]

4. You're not really talking about a right here

The proper term is "entitlement".

There is no unreasonable burden on your right to bear arms.

That's a matter of opinion, and on that I happen to sagree.

[tekisui]

5. Women don't have a right to legal medical procedures?

That's a new one to me.

[slackmaster]

6. Yes they do have a right to legal medical procedures

The question at hand is whether they should be ENTITLED to receive those services at public expense.

[tekisui]

7. My question is why shouldn't their right be ensured through access?

[slackmaster]

8. "ensured through access" is a euphemism for creating an entitlement

I'm just asking for a little clarity in the language.

[tekisui]

9. I don't really care if it is called an entitlement.

I believe women are entitled to make their health care decisions. Do you see cancer treatment and diabetes maintenance provided by a public option as an entitlement?

Do you think federal tax dollars should go to cover those treatments?

[slackmaster]

10. Yes and Yes

I'm fine with entitlements for life-saving medical care for people who otherwise couldn't afford it.

[bain_sidhe]

11. Wrong analogy

This amendment is akin to not letting you buy insurance WITH YOUR OWN MONEY that covers the gun. Nobody's compelled to buy you a gun, nobody's compelled to pay for someone else's abortion. This amendment says that women can't buy insurance on the exchange WITH THEIR OWN MONEY that covers abortion. Such policies simply can't be offered on the exchange.

[slackmaster]

12. But they could still get abortions

They'd just have to find a way other than insurance to pay for them.

[bain_sidhe]

15. I didn't say they couldn't

And this isn't about whether they can or can't get abortions, or whether you can or can't buy a gun. It's about a few moralizing pricks telling women what they are and are not allowed to buy with THEIR OWN MONEY. Today it's insurance that covers abortion. Tomorrow? Who knows?

The closest analogy I can think of (your gun analogy doesn't really suit), is the government saying you can't buy car insurance that covers rollover accidents. Or head-on collisions. Or something, anything, that a few people find personally repugnant.

Or, how about this. It's like the government saying that no insurance policy in the exchange can cover lung cancer caused by smoking, because some people find smoking repugnant.

EXCEPT - the coverage they banned is ONLY used by women, and generally in what is, at least for them, an emergency. I can't think of any similar health concern that only applies to men.

[tekisui]

14. If a poor woman is depenent on the public option, she is in effect

having her rights restricted by the inability to access that right. Why not improve on protecting that right, by allowing her to access it?

[Echo In Light]

13. Real leaders are deemed "unelectable" by those w/a vested stake in The Game

[DatManFromNawlins]

16. I don't have a gun

Please provide one for me so that I can bear arms.

I don't have a house.

Please provide one for me so that I can rightfully deny soldiers access to it, as well as be safe from searches within.