Recommend if you consider single payer to be the best option

[BolivarianHero]

I live somewhere that has it, and it's wonderful.

[Captain Hilts]

1. I had it under military medicine and while living in Tee Oh. nt

[BolivarianHero]

5. I live in Oh Tee :D

w00t!

[Captain Hilts]

7. I'm heading up there in a week. Can't wait to have morning coffee and bagel at Timothy's

under the CN tracks by the LCBO on Yonge.

[bjobotts]

150. Might as well say K&R if you prefer democracy to corporatocracy

[bjobotts]

151. WE are witnessing the corporatocracy in action.Defeating it means getting HC reform with a public op

[bjobotts]

152. It is all we are being"allowed" but will open the door to SP by getting gov.involved ins.

[bjobotts]

153. But why it's gotten this way is deregulation, tax cuts on the wealthy, and greed.

[bjobotts]

154. In other words republicans and corporate dems.

[bonnieS]

176. Of course.

That's why we can't have it.

[tekisui]

2. knr!~ Of course.

[KharmaTrain]

3. I Like Pie

[hay rick]

76. In the sky?

[juno jones]

4. K&R! n/t

[closeupready]

6. Gladly K&R.

n/t

[Odin2005]

8. +1

[NikolaC]

9. K&R

I lived in Canada for three years and never had to worry about medical bills, denials, expensive medications and tests, or pre-existing conditions. My inlaws, who are conservative, love their system. It was very disappointing to me that single payer advocates were not really allowed a chance to have their say in the reform debate.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. Sure, I'll recommend.

But like the Bush impeachment, it just isn't something that is politically plausible....at least not at this time. So I'll gladly take what we can get in the hopes we eventually move towards single payer.

[Enthusiast]

61. Yes it is.

If we turned up in huge enough numbers forcing the media to cover an event and simply told the American people what single payer really is, we could achieve our goal. It would take an inaugural numbers like effort but it could be done.

As a matter of fact, this will happen eventually anyway. With jobs and poverty on the increase as it is now it is only a matter of time before this country will be FORCED to adopt a completely socialized health care system. Let's save some time, lives and money and do it now.

[justinaforjustice]

11. We Need A Truly National Referendum on Health Care Reform

One of our major progressive organizations needs to organize a national referendum to learn, once and for all, if single-payer is "politically plausible" in the U.S. I'm betting the vast majority, if given the choice, would vote for "Medicare for All". Let's ask them:

1. No health care reform

2. Reform with Public Option.

3. Reform without Public Option.

4. Medicare for all citizens.

[BolivarianHero]

15. The Freepers would spoil their ballot in confusion...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gfXgxtBKpR8/SpAdQbETfiI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/5uxgyYwb3AY/s400/Say+No+to+Government+in+Medicare.jpg

[Sebastian Doyle]

22. No shit. If we can put civil rights up to a popular vote, we should be able to do so with healthcare

Of course Diebold would probably willingly hand over their cheat codes to Cigna and United Health Care to steal the results. :evilfrown:

But if it were done on paper ballots, no contest.

[justinaforjustice]

12. I Live in a "Universal Health Care" Country too-- Venezuela.

Health care is a constitutional right in Venezuela. There are thousands of free neighborhood health clinics -- and dental and optical services -- throughout the country. Public hospitals and diagnostic centers are free.

The only part of health care here that can be expensive is imported drugs -- thanks to the U.S. pharmaceutical companies patents. As a result, Even so, all those suffering from serious chronic illnesses, such as diabetes, MS, heart conditions, and the like, get their drugs free. Venezuela is building new factories to manufacture generics to lower costs.

[BolivarianHero]

13. B-B-But...TEH DICKTAYTER IZ TO BIZZEE KONKERING KULUMBIA!!!!

It took Bush less than a year to drop bombs on a foreign regime he had previously supported; and now Chavez wants to use the threat of war to neutralize a genuine threat to the security and the stability of Venezuela and its people and everyone is up and arms. Still, he's much too nice to bastards like Ortega and Ahmadinejad.

[redqueen]

14. How do you say... um... FUCKING DUH!

You should do another one...

"reccomend if you think single payer has a snowball's chance in hell of getting through congress"

Or just keep whacking off... your choice...

[ProleNoMore]

16. Single Payer Is The Only Rational Option

eom

[BolivarianHero]

19. Yep...

Health care reform does not address the waste-a-lot-to-get-a-little deficiency that created the ineptus for reform.

[muriel_volestrangler]

56. Nope, there's fully nationalised, in which the state owns the hospitals too

eg the British NHS. Though the chances of getting that in the US now would seem to be zero. The profit motive is still wanted for the hospitals, it seems.

[ProleNoMore]

57. Agreed, The Best Would Be The Elimination Of All For Profit Mentality From The System

eom

[tblue]

58. +1

[Enthusiast]

62. I will sign on. nt

[pundaint]

78. I don't want politics involved in the specifics of my healthcare,

Sharing the risk to make it affordable is one thing, but I wouldn't trust government to specify the modality of my care. For instance, with a wholly owned government delivery system, stem cell research probably would have made zero progress in America. Besides there is a large marketplace to keep hospitals in line once the insurance companies lose their influence over our bodies.

[PHIMG]

17. We need to remake our party such that Single Payer is possible. n/t

[pundaint]

80. If by remake you mean fire the bastards in the primary, fire the bastaards

in the general, then I agree wholeheartedly. We should fire all the Republican incumbents to if we don't have any Democrats to remake.

[PHIMG]

145. Yes fire them in the primaries, absolutely, that's what I meant.

And don't give any money to the DCCC or DSCC because they are the very institutions that opened the floodgates to the DLC traitors who now have a veto power over legislation in the Congress.

I won't give any money to DNC either because Tim Kaine is a DLC hack who is dismantling all the good Howard Dean did.

I'll only donate to primary challengers aiming to unseat Blue Dog democrats.

And I can't wait to donate to Obama's leftist challenger. No more no-contest primaries.

[dccrossman]

18. K&R

:kick:

[avaistheone1]

20. Hell YES!!

[Bluenorthwest]

21. It is the best option

[Lucy Goosey]

23. Oh, definitely, but..

Not only am I a loyal communist-socialist-fascist citizen of Soviet Canuckistan, I actually work for Canada's federal health ministry, so I'm clearly out to brainwash you all, comrades. :D

[kestrel91316]

24. K and EFFIN' R!

[Uncle Joe]

25. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, BolivarianHero.

[Echo In Light]

26. Rec

[Iggo]

27. Unrec.

One of the major reasons for having the Unrec feature was to cut down on the "rec this thread if.." threads.

[rhett o rick]

127. How's that workin for ya? nt

[Iggo]

129. Beautifully!

You shoulda seen it before.

EDIT: FWIW, I do consider single payer to be the very best option.

[rhett o rick]

134. Good, and I dont think unrecs are that big a deal. Peace nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. REC

:kick:

[inna]

29. rec+120!

:hi:

[philly_bob]

30. Easy and cheap! /nt

[MilesColtrane]

31. Since it was never up for a vote by the full House, it is not an option.

It would be wonderful though.

[emald]

32. Single payer is the only answer that makes any s ense

Why are we being "mandated" to pay for a profit margin for a private corporation? Really, I want change in health care. This bill, however, is a mash up only destined to enrich the pigs at the public trough. Insurance is not health care. We have a really good government system, the Public Health Service, of which I have some experience. How about expanding this into a fifth service, one not dedicated to killing or enforcing? Naw, makes too much sense.

[jtrockville]

33. We were robbed.

Single-payer was banned from the discussion, and never even scored. We deserve better.

[truedelphi]

87. Robbed and somehow many were convinced that

This is all that could ever happen.

[jtrockville]

96. Imagine how convincing leadership could have been if they'd

started from the position that single-payer was not only possible, but was the ideal. There could have been hearings where CBO scores were discussed. Sound bites could have been spewed across the airwaves on every talk show.

If the congress could sell the idea that warrantless wiretapping protects our freedom, couldn't they sell the idea that providing health care for all is a good thing?

[truedelphi]

101. I knew the minute that Obama let his notion of "Deficit Neutral"

Be defined as something that could not cost the Federal government much money and the figures that they were using for the alculations were the current inflated costs of everything from health care premiums to emergency room outrageous billing practices to drug costs.

We never had any discussion of the costs, of how much of it is over the top. Why are Big Pharma people allowed to gauge us from 2,000 to 8,200 percent of the cost of the price of the drugs, without that being investigated by Congress. A three thousand dolalr emergency room visit that costs the consumer all that for a simple ten minute ediscussion with the doctor.

And all the rest of it. That was the most important part of all of this -- the discussion of the profit motive. And as it stands, if someone somewhere discovers a simple inexpensive balm for a major disease, it is not allowed in this country - as no drug company will bother doing the FDA required testing once they know there are there are no big profit margins, then there is no reason to examine that substance.

[jtrockville]

126. FDA doesn't consider "we the people" their clients.

FDA considers the pharma industry their clients. So if it's not good for the pharma industry, we won't get it.

[rhett o rick]

128. If you think you was robbed, wait till you see the Senate bill. nt

[leftstreet]

34. K&R

[pleah]

35. K&R

[Aramchek]

36. nice try. but 'Single Payer' was never on the table

[Quasimodem]

41. "'Single Payer' was never on the table."

Yeah, there is such a thing as too much free speech.

[Aramchek]

44. it's the truth. if you don't even know that much, how can you accomplish anything

It's nice to be an idealist from time to time,
but somebody's got to get things done.

[RufusTFirefly]

48. Thanks for the circular logic

Why wasn't single-payer on the table? Because it was a bad system? Because people didn't want it?

Or was it because it was a threat to private insurance and to their marketing department otherwise known as the U.S. Congress?

We had/have a golden opportunity to take the colossal mistake of being the last "civilized" nation without single-payer to borrow the best from systems throughout the world and learn from their shortcomings to create a uniquely American single-payer system that is the envy of the world.

But, of course, that would require vision, courage, creativity and -- oh yeah -- democracy, not to mention a sense of compassion and community.

Never mind.

[Riverman]

50. Let's start from scratch!

[Egnever]

59. Doesnt matter the reasons

The fact remains it was never an otpion. If you want to change that you need to change the make up of the current congress dramaticaly.

[pundaint]

81. A coherent understanding emerges!

Yup, there is no changing these congressmen, so we must change all of Congress.

[dionysus]

70. it wasn't on the table because it didn't have the votes, pure and simple.

[RufusTFirefly]

72. But why?

That's my point. That's the circular logic part.

What was wrong with it other than it offended the insurance industry, Big Pharma, and their whores in Washington, who then rolled out a massive propaganda campaign to frighten and confuse the public?

Are you really willing to accept that kind of government? I'm not.

[dionysus]

73. i'm willing to accept a bill that isn't even close to being great, but that saves lives.

i think we're all well versed in how corporate money has corrupted politics. i think obama and the non-sold-out dems are trying their damnedest to get whatever good they can out of a bad situation.

the alternative of doing nothing will cost many lives.

[RufusTFirefly]

74. So, you'll be confronting rapacious corporations by making them even richer?

If so, that's a cousin of the insane "too big to fail" logic from the Wall Street giveaway.

[dionysus]

77. you're so fired up you can't even discuss this rationally anymore. you probably think the

insurance companies are cheering because their exemption from anti-trust laws would be stripped.

people dying for lack of health care won't give a shit if the government is paying the insurance companies on their behalf, but you'd rather these folks get nothing, and by extension, end up dead.

no one here loves the insurance companies, but does your hatred of them trump saving peoples lives? because it sounds that way to me.

[RufusTFirefly]

79. I detect some irrationality, but it's not coming from me

Have you read this article by the former Editor in Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine?

Is the House Health Care Bill Better than Nothing?


There are a lot of irrational people out there.

[nichomachus]

93. Except. of course, this bill doesn't do that -- it's worse than nothing at all

[Enthusiast]

63. True.

Advocating for single payer is the same as shouting "Fire!" in a movie theater.

[lib_wit_it]

117. They said that to John Brown about slavery, didn't they?

[Enthusiast]

159. Look at all the trouble he caused!

:sarcasm:

[truedelphi]

108. Actually if you research the early Obama, the guy who ran back in 2004

for the Senate Seat in Illinois, he said that Single Payer was the only logical plan that this nation should consider.

He went on to say that he needed us to provide a Democratic majority in the House and in the Senate, and a Democratic President.

Then he somehow became highly illogical and said (Circa Dec 2007) that although Single Payer was themost efficent and the cheapest and the msot logical, that we as a nation could not go there, because (Get this!) "We already have a health care system and we have to work with that."

And that is the Elephant in the Room that most ignore. That statement of his is the most illogical piece of claptrap that anyone ever ran and won with. How can a system be so broke that "we are in crisis" yet when it comes to fixing that system, we have to include the broken system?

This nonsensical health bill to be signed by Obama will haunt his Presidency. I think he was really close to losing in 2012 just because of his choice of Kissinger's Geithner/Bernanke destroying Main Street, but this will add to those who stay home or vote third party.

[Techn0Girl]

116. Precisely...

I voted for Obama to see some sort of Single Payer system or Universal Coverage . I most certainly DID NOT vote for him to see 40 million more people FORCED to pay private insurance companies for crap policies with $2000+ deductibles.

If this passes as is, I will not be voting Democratic next election. I probably won't be voting at all. Another George Bush? Fine. If that's where America is going then fine... this time I'll be ready with a passport in hand.

I am sorely disappointed at the Democratic Party today.

[Captain Hilts]

171. I know, DEMS took it off the table: Kennedy, Baucus and Obama took it off. nt

[man4allcats]

37. K&R - Single payer is the only option

that makes any sense.

[Hun Joro]

38. Without question. n/t

[earcandle]

39. Of course it is the best option, in terms of both cost and services provided.

[valerief]

40. Rec, rec, rec, rec, rec, rec, rec, rec!!!!!

Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
Single payer! Single payer! Single payer!
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Sinti]

42. It's the best, and most economical option

in the long run. If you want a really good system you'll have to go here, not for profit, focus on wellness, early detection and treatment of the disease instead of the symptoms. It's the only logical system to use.

We'll get there, I'm sure, as soon as they take the nonsense-making drugs out of the water. I think we have to phase all the insurance business employees into new jobs first, as well, maybe a bunch of them (rank and file not C-level) will transition over and and help run the program.

[Generic Other]

43. Of course we back this plan

The other however is the plan we have for now.

[Stevepol]

45. By far the best, not that facts make any difference.

[supernova]

46. I favor SP or an NHS type system

here in the US.

That would be idea and a free or nearly free co pay at the POS, like $5 or less.

But we have to defang the insurance companies first. That has become evident to me over the course of this debate. This bill goes a long way toward doing that. WIth the insurance cos as powerful as they are, meaningful debate and conversation about how to achieve heathcare for everyone isn't possible. With the provision that they must take all customers and not drop the very sick or chronically sick or cherry pick healthy patients, that means they will be spending more money on claims. That will mean less money for lobbying. Not nearly enough though. That brings me to the 2nd thing this bill does.

With the anti-trust exemption removed, individual members of the public are free to sue the insurance companies for bad behavior. That includes the very punishing class-action lawsuit. I predict in the coming years, big insurance will go the way of big tobacco. Here's the fun part though, not only will patients sue, I predict doctors and other healthcare personnel will sue for interference in their decisions. I predict decades of legal wrangling and bad publicity for the insurance cos.

No, they aren't getting off scott free here. They may think they have, but they are our on the way out. They just don't know it yet.

[Vincardog]

47. Do you mean the option that covers everyone and is the cheapest with no co-pays or deductibles? Who

would vote for that? How would the greedy executives afford their trophy wives and 8'th vacation homes?

[Riverman]

49. Single-Payer Yes, Congress and seniors have it now! the rest of

us thrown to the corporate, profit only motivated insurance and drug wolves! Thanks Dems and Obama!
Not change I will ever believe in, nor support!

[truedelphi]

86. Same here. I will never forgive those with (D's) after their names

that are really (R's)

[OnyxCollie]

51. K&R. nt

[Vidar]

52. K&R

[Greyhound]

53. K&R, but for the record, I hate these posts. n/t

[theFrankFactor]

54. Yup!

It was the most sensible option and therefore hacked off at the knees by Democrats and Republicans who serve corporations first and foremost.

[Blue State Blues]

55. We're not ready for Single Payer

let me be clear, I want Single Payer -- it is the most logical way to go.

But before the U.S. starts a Single Payer system, or as part of the establishment of it, we need to have very clear statements against discrimination, provisions for strict patient privacy, and clearly codified provisions that ensure treatment coverage decisions will be based solely on medical effectiveness and not any person or entity's moral objections to someone else's medical procedures.

[Enthusiast]

65. We only need the will and

we could be ready in less than a year.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

60. I had the equivalent of it under the Yale Health Plan in the late 1970s

It was great not to have to worry about expenses.

[colsohlibgal]

64. No Brainer

Life, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness...hard to have any of it when you're dead, suffering,bankrupt thanks to the blood sucking leech insurance companies.

People are going broke and/dying. It's wrong. Profit has no place when it come to our health.

[peace frog]

66. Absolutely the best

[Maineman]

67. Every election must be about health care for as long as it takes!

Single payer, yes.

[dionysus]

68. best, but unfortunately not viable in the current political landscape.

[Ardent15]

69. kick for single-payer. nt

[earth mom]

71. Huge Rec! The U.S. has officially become a corrupt third world country. nt

[defendandprotect]

85. It's the GOP's "third world America" . . . they're long been working for -- !!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

88. Have you even been to a third-world country?

I have, and I guarantee you that America is not one of them.

[stlsaxman]

95. Ever been to Appalachia?

I haven't but I've heard it's like a third-world country.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

104. No, but I've been to India.

Which I think fits the criteria far better.

[jtrockville]

97. Maybe not "third world", but certainly a "fallen empire".

We can no longer be considered a developed nation, that's for sure.

[lightningandsnow]

75. You rock!

:hug:

[Autumn Colors]

82. K&R (nt)

[defendandprotect]

83. Medicare for all -- everyone in, no one out --

[unaffiliated liberal]

84. My first post and first K&R

I've been reading here for months, using DU as a news aggregator, because no other source on the internet posts stories faster than you people. I finally joined just to K&R this post.

There is no health care reform without single-payer. Anything less is just a sell-out, IMO.

The Democratic party has so far allowed lunatic fringe conservatives to control the debate and the content of health care reform. It's time to take a stand and pass real health care reform, not this sick joke that's being foisted on us. It may already be too late but I'm still hoping for a miracle.

Grow a spine, Democrats, and use this once in a lifetime opportunity to pass true health care reform. Pass a real single-payer health care plan. Put the bastards that have had their way with our health care and our lives out of business for good.

[chill_wind]

119. Welcome aboard DU

:hi:

[unaffiliated liberal]

165. Thanks Chilly!

:hi:

Happy to be here.

[ProSense]

89. Easy to rec this. It is the best system, but in the U.S. at this time it's not pragmatic

Not only aren't the votes there, but does anyone have a realistic score of what it would cost and how long it would take to transistion to single payer?

Kucinich and Conyers decided it wasn't the right time for a vote on the Weiner amendment because the CBO score showed that it will "cost way too much" and feared that its defeat would damage the cause.

That wasn't a surprise given the details of H.R. 676. Single-payer advocates never did a good job explaining clearly what the immediate cost to transition would be. It's a fact that single payer will save money in the long run, but it involves a complete overhaul of the system: putting insurers out of business and people out of work. Medicare exists, but it serves less than 15 percent of the population (about 43 million Americans). The U.S. population is about 305 million. Government programs (Medicare, Medicaid, VA, etc.) cover about 30 percent. The other 70 percent are private. That means ramping up and expanding Medicare to at least four or five times its current capacity. its current capacity. It's a significant overhaul. Even in good economic times, the cost associated with such a transition might be a hard sell. In one of the worst recessions in history, and with the strength of the opposition, it's impossible to see how anyone could think that it was doable. On the other hand, a public option creates a new non-profit entity with the ability to expand.

Still, it would be interesting to see the CBO score of Weiner's amendment.

[grahamhgreen]

90. Wrong. It takes guts. And a leader who can step up to the plate when it's his turn to bat.

IMHO

[ProSense]

92. Wrong?

Where is the leader? The country just elected a President. All the candidates campaigned on health care reform. Obama won campaigning on his plan. Where is the leader? Who is the person who is going to convince the U.S. to vote, pay for and wait for a massive overhaul of the health care system? It took a few years to ramp up Medicare for 19 million people. How long will it take to change over to a single payer system serving more than 200 million people?







edited for clarity

[truedelphi]

98. Back at the time of MediCare, the lobbyists did not call all the shots

Obama wants this done, and he wants it done now, and he has already said he hopes "to be the last President to deal with the Health Care Reform matter."

I do remember a different Obama, the purer more average American-oriented guy who ran for the Senate Seat in Illinois back in 2004.

And he spoke about Single Payer Universal Health Care, and how it was the only logical choice we had. He also said that we would be only needing a majority of Dems in the House, and in the Senate and a Democratic President to make it happen.

But that Obama has been replaced by the Rahm/Obama, who is of a different make, model, logo, trademark, and set of talking points...

I suspect the 2004 Obama will be found in a closet and taken out and brushed off for the 2012 camapigns, but as a voter, I am of the mind that:

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[ProSense]

100. So Obama is the leader you're waiting for?

He campaigned on a public option. He will be the last President to tackle national health care when he signs this bill. Health care will be national and include a public option that will expand and become stronger over time.

[truedelphi]

103. Do you really believe that with the increased set of profits that the

Insurers gain through this piece of crap legislation, that the Insurers will not continue to have Lobbyists? That they will just ease back in a corner and let the Public Option be expanded?

No, I suspect that is not the case. They will continue to see that there is little in the way of a Public Option.

[ProSense]

109. Actually, I think the insurance companies are

somewhat screwed.

[truedelphi]

156. Pls let me know if tht Amendment ever becomes law.

Definitely a step in the right direction, but I don't give it much hope.

[winyanstaz]

91. K & R....

My middle son is over in Israel..and they have it and it works great.
If we can pay for it in Israel,, why not here for us?
It works in other countries...why can't Americans have it?

[anonymous171]

94. Rec'd

[mother earth]

99. Of course it's the best option.

[Jim Sagle]

102. Fuck yeah!

[Techn0Girl]

114. Wonderfuly thought out reply ....

Dear Jim,
In a time when the health care debate is occupying some of our greatest minds on both ends of the spectrum and engendering an enormous amount of introspection with regard to our health care system , I can't tell you how refreshing it is to see a mind such as yours struggle with the issues and come up with a two syllable response that allows us to see the debate through the eyes of an average internet denizen.

I look forward to your future comments regarding "What this country really needs" at a bar stool near me or perhaps while passing by the unemployment line some day. I can see you have made 1000 comments thus far and I frankly applaud what must be your use of an amazing use of a variety of single syllable and/or four letter words to add to the ongoing debate. Thank you so much for your efforts - keep up the work that your mother and other family members no doubt started so very long ago.

[Jim Sagle]

125. Obfuscation is not a virtue. Neither is changing the subject, or shooting the messenger.

[mmonk]

105. For transition purposes, yes, recommended.

We already have the framework through medicare. Therefore, the transition is easy unless the real purpose is to prop up the for profit insurance industry in a time less businesses will carry it and less people can afford it.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

106. Brought up on it

people in the UK think people in the UK are crazy not to want single payer

[TexasObserver]

107. Recommend

[LaPera]

110. Of course...It's the ONLY way to making sure every citizen is fully & adequately covered...

Republicans hate that thought....They believe in privatizing everything...which we end up paying more for, and getting less for our money (cuz corporations always cut corners in favor of profits) corporations collude, yet we have to go to them because there are no other options, while the corporations still receive our tax dollars in the forms of subsidies, tax breaks & incentives...Of course they don't want no real competition from the people, which is government...we are & pay for government...now serve us...not the greedy corporations.

[silverweb]

111. Absolutely.

And we'll get there eventually.

[KakistocracyHater]

112. yes I want to join the rest of the civilized world

even though they're starting to kill kids here during 'exorcisms'. That can be fixed next.

[GreenTea]

115. Me too!

[underseasurveyor]

113. Oh alright

Well gees:think:.. yeah duh:thumbsup:

[indimuse]

118. of course it is... ;)

knr!

[and-justice-for-all]

120. Hells yes!! nt

[gtar100]

121. I am happy for you. We should not stop pushing until

universal care is truly universal.

[ms liberty]

122. K&R n/t

[HughMoran]

123. Absolutely - K&R

I usually frown upon "K&R" threads, but you asked nicely :)

[bagimin]

124. k&r

[Agony]

130. Single Payer... ready for it now nt

[nilram]

131. ooh, rec'd and I never recommend the "recommend me" threads.

[Roland99]

132. Not only the best option, the ONLY option!

[donheld]

133. +1

[maxpower]

135. Pardon my French But Fuck yeah!!!!

Peace,
Max

[hellsbeagle]

136. k and r

[L0oniX]

137. KAY AND ARR

[ipaint]

138. Yes and thanks for this thread.

It's good to see the huge support.

[intheflow]

139. At last: Something a huge majority of DUers are able to agree on!

Although I'd give my eye teeth to be able to see how many unrecs this has gotten as well.

[Hannah Bell]

140. you 659 people are unrealistic. you want ponies, & they're only handing out sacks of horse poop.

you're too far left.

the american people are conservative, they don't like socialism.

they like the government enforcing rent payments to giant multinationals, good old capitalism.

join the mainstream, don't be weirdo losers.

[Rincewind]

141. I'm sure it means nothing,

but I am the 666th recommendation :evilgrin:

[Agony]

142. Float like a butterfly! Tee Hee Hee!

[tomp]

143. so this is how du REALLY feels about health care reform! k&r

edited to add: GO KUCINICH/MASSA!!!!

[WheelWalker]

144. I do.

:kick:

[WillyT]

146. Yep... K & R !!!

:patriot:

:kick:

[Vroomfondel]

147. K&R K&R K&R K&R

[tomm2thumbs]

148. K&R - lots and lots of K&R

[madmax]

149. K&R

[LSK]

155. K&R #700

[Divine Discontent]

158. rec 711 for good luck!

[BigBearJohn]

157. If everyone who rec'd this thread made 10 calls to their congressmen, that's be 7,000 calls!

(give or take)

[NecklyTyler]

160. K&R

[Brigid]

161. K & R.

We should not stop pushing for simgle-payer.

[democrank]

162. Single payer

Corporations aren`t people

[Dinger]

163. K & R & Dumb Question

What's the difference between the public option and single payer?

[G_j]

164. K&R

[Joe Bacon]

166. Add me.

Friends in Canada never have the problems that our right wing Press Whores allege.

[anniebelle]

167. K&R n/t

[itsrobert]

168. Yes single payer is the best. But UNREC!!!!!!!

This should be in poll format, not an appropriate use of the "rec" feature.

[seafan]

169. '...our democratic government is in league with wealthy interests which are exploiting its people..'

digby knows that score.


Regardless of the torrent of rhetoric, the kabuki dancing, the cat-and-mouse of the sellout *Democrats*, Blue Dogs and hell-no Republicans, and their armies of lobbyists, the fact that we would NEVER be allowed to talk about Single Payer was already baked into the cake.

So, the exploitation by the wealthy lives on. For now.



To offer single payer as our health care system would bring that exploitation to an abrupt and fiery end.


That is why it was *never on the table*.




And that is also why it is the only workable solution.

"Americans can always be counted on to do the right thing...after they have exhausted all other possibilities." ---Winston Churchill

[Agony]

170. Maybe someday we will use the the MOUNTAIN of dry powder we have accrued

and do the right thing. This is the time to be "blowing shit up", instead we build more dry powder warehouses.

[the other one]

172. Hi! I am rec #767 !!!

:hi:

[Orwellian_Ghost]

173. 770 recs

so far.

All time rec record?

[prairierose]

174. k & r..n/t

[ecstatic]

175. It is the best option. Now back to the real world...

where SP won't be passing anytime soon... :eyes:

[LWolf]

177. Too late to recommend, but I'll give it a kick.