President Barack Obama to announce extra 34,000 troops for Afghanistan before end of November.

[SIMPLYB1980]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/afghanistan/6526432/President-Barack-Obama-to-announce-extra-34000-troops-for-Afghanistan-before-end-of-November.html

"According to reports, Mr Obama is unlikely to make an announcement until after Nov 23 when Nato to consider requests to commit more troops. So far only Britain has pledged an additional 500 but US administration officials pan to brief counterparts in an effort to build support.

The delay will also give the US and its major partners in Afghanistan time to reach a "compact" on working with Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, to improve governance and reduce corruption.

Washington has already given Mr Karzai six months to clean up his act, according to Afghan officials, while Gordon Brown and Bernard Kouchner, the French foreign have both publicly made critical remarks about the Afghan leader. The Prime Minister said Mr Karzai's government "had become a byword for corruption"."

Good move Mr. President.
:thumbsup:

[earthside]

1. Kucinich for President!

It is time to start organizing to elect a president dedicated to shrinking the U.S. military footprint around the world.

[SIMPLYB1980]

6. LoL!

:rofl:

[DemBones DemBones]

56. Hear, hear!

[Xenotime]

2. I'm against the idea of sending more troops.

[Mari333]

3. he had better not do this

if he does, he will never have my support again.
I will forever campaign against him.
he will be in the same category as the neocons to me.

send your kid over if you are so supportive of his insanity.

[SIMPLYB1980]

4. Then go create a viable 3rd party, because

he is going to do it. :shrug:

[Mari333]

7. oh, go enlist.

I hate neocons. I hated the neocons of Bush and I will hate the neocons of Obama's administration. I can be a DEMOCRAT that hates NEOCONS in the democratic party.

[SIMPLYB1980]

9. Not a neocon, but I'll take whatever label you want to

apply to me. Obama is going to send in more troops despite what the pacifists want, you might as well get use to it. Or create your own peace party and take on the things you see as injustice from a Democratic President. I agree with his assessment and support him and my family that are fighting as we type.

[Mari333]

12. he is a neocon. anyone who supports this abomination of a war

is a neocon. a militarist. and should be on the front lines themselves if they support it. shame on anyone who supports sending our kids over to die for corporations and oil pipelines.

[SIMPLYB1980]

16. Obama is a neocon and DK voted for a neocon war?

:spray: :rofl: :popcorn:

[Mari333]

19. DK was wrong if he voted for attacking afghanistan

and we are wrong to stay there.

again, enlist. you belong on the front lines, bucko.


send your own kids, today.

www.mfso.org

dont send other people's kids whilst you sit at home and play video games and eat cheetos.

[SIMPLYB1980]

34. Go join the peace corps and put some action

into that anti Afghanistan rhetoric.

http://www.peacecorps.gov/

[Mari333]

38. go enlist. send your kids.

some of us have a pony in this race.

you are on ignore now, I hate neocons.

[SIMPLYB1980]

40. Don't have any kids, but I wouldn't discourage them

from joining the Military if that is what they wanted to do. Glad to be added to another ignore list. Keep that head in the sand.

[earthside]

20. Your family is fighting ...

... for what?

Does this include your mother?

And ... "the pacifists"? There vast majority of people against an escalation in Afghanistan are not "pacifists"; they are smart, intelligent, historically literal folks who understand that more troops in Afghanistan is just sending them into quicksand.

If Pres. Obama cannot adapt and be innovative and bold when dealing with the failed U.S. military occupation of Afghanistan, then it is time for liberals, progressives and Democrats to start looking for a new standard bearer that will have those qualities.

I've been dismissive of Rep. Kucinich in the past, but I'm really changing my mind -- my goodness, what he said about the health care bill applies to so many other issues: is this the best we can do?

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[spoony]

48. The poster uses his family to excuse his own non-service

and general chickenhawkery. As if someone else's sacrifices give him credibility on the subject.

[SIMPLYB1980]

49. LoL! And what do you do other than post on the internet

to try to end a war?

[spoony]

51. Even if I did absolutely nothing

it'd be better than being an armchair warrior. Of course, I have no particular interest in justifying myself to a person who cheers on drone bombers like it was a fucking video game.

[SIMPLYB1980]

52. So you say, but being an armchair peace activists is no different.

Oh well. I hope we drone bomb Al Qaeda a lot more in the future.

[QC]

5. How very, very hopeful and changealicious! n/t

[Autumn]

8. Disgraceful,

I hope he opens his eyes and stops this.

[SIMPLYB1980]

11. I hope you open your eyes and support this.

Clinton does.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/10/16/2009-10-16_hillary_clinton_says_afghanistan_needed_more_troops_attention_from_start.html

"WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Clinton says the war in Afghanistan has gotten short shrift from the start, hinting in an interview Friday she may press for more troops as President Obama reassesses Afghan strategy.

"Afghanistan has been under-sourced from the beginning," she told CNN. "The attention was shifted to Iraq. We've never had the kind of military or civilian commitment that our mission had, you know, been needing.""

[Autumn]

17. Clinton is wrong, so is Obama

and they are doing nothing but continuing Bush's policies. I didn't support Bush and his wars and I won't support them now just because they are Obama's wars.

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[TheCowsCameHome]

10. 34,000 will only be the down payment

100,000 won't win or end anything over there.

[SIMPLYB1980]

13. So you say, but you don't know.

I don't know if Obama's plans will work, but they are sound, and I support them.

[TheCowsCameHome]

29. Nor do you, or anyone else for that matter. It's a gamble, and a big one.

Too big, IMHO.

[SIMPLYB1980]

31. And not to big IMO. At least not as big as the

gamble that pulling out now would make the Taliban happy, and lead them and Al Qaeda to leave Pakistan and their Nukes alone.

[backscatter712]

14. Not good.

I only hope some new strategy is in the works, not just more troops. And I hope Obama puts Karzai on a very tight leash (at least he's publicly demanding Karzai get his shit together) because I'm failing to see the reason why Americans should spend tax money, fight and die on behalf of a corrupt assclown like Karzai.

Maybe if something like the Anbar Awakening comes together in Afghanistan, things will get better, but other than that, I'm not seeing it.

At least Iraq's quietly winding down. It needs to wind down faster, but if things continue to proceed we'll only be in one dumb, destructive war instead of two by 2012...

[JVS]

15. So much for being agaist stupid wars

[SIMPLYB1980]

18. Put that on a bumber sticker and sell it to the tea baggers.

:nopity:

[JVS]

21. But the teabaggers love war. OMG you and Obama are siding with the teabaggers!

I've discovered your secret!

[SIMPLYB1980]

24. Most tea baggers I know are Ron Paul acolytes.

Their talking points are almost identical with those on the left that don't support Afghanistan.

[JVS]

27. You know teabaggers?

I don't.

And what the teabaggers say has no bearing on my support. I'm not going to support stupid wars in order to spite the teabaggers. That would be stupid.

[SIMPLYB1980]

28. Yeah I also know some republicans, progressives,

libertarians, ect... I don't just hide form society by only being friends with people who's political ideas I agree with.

[theHandpuppet]

23. More war, no rights for GLBTs, reproductive choice threatened, huge bonuses...

... for Wall St. parasites, extended protection for torturers. How does everyone like that smell of change in the morning?

[SIMPLYB1980]

25. Yawn.

:nopity:

[Forkboy]

54. Quite unintentionally on your part, that post sums you up perfectly.

[Romulox]

30. This President...is not who I thought I was voting for... nt

[SIMPLYB1980]

32. He is exactly who I voted for. I paid attention to what he was saying.

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/07/15/remarks_of_senato...

"The greatest threat to that security lies in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where terrorists train and insurgents strike into Afghanistan. We cannot tolerate a terrorist sanctuary, and as President, I won't. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps, and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights.

Make no mistake: we can't succeed in Afghanistan or secure our homeland unless we change our Pakistan policy. We must expect more of the Pakistani government, but we must offer more than a blank check to a General who has lost the confidence of his people. It's time to strengthen stability by standing up for the aspirations of the Pakistani people. That's why I'm cosponsoring a bill with Joe Biden and Richard Lugar to triple non-military aid to the Pakistani people and to sustain it for a decade, while ensuring that the military assistance we do provide is used to take the fight to the Taliban and al Qaeda. We must move beyond a purely military alliance built on convenience, or face mounting popular opposition in a nuclear-armed nation at the nexus of terror and radical Islam.

Only a strong Pakistani democracy can help us move toward my third goal - securing all nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists and rogue states. One of the terrible ironies of the Iraq War is that President Bush used the threat of nuclear terrorism to invade a country that had no active nuclear program. But the fact that the President misled us into a misguided war doesn't diminish the threat of a terrorist with a weapon of mass destruction - in fact, it has only increased it."

[Romulox]

33. I know, I know. This is a thread for you to shout down anyone who disagrees with you.

It's not a very interesting schtick.

[SIMPLYB1980]

36. So if you knew that why did you show up?

Or did you keep your anti war views to yourself during the election so as to help Obama win? Shameful if so.

[Romulox]

41. To kick a thread that most here seem to take for the negative news that it is...

[SIMPLYB1980]

43. The negativity toward this thread is understandable.

But will that negativity do anything to change what is going to happen? I don't think so.

[JohnnyLib2]

35. REC

The decision needs full attention; it affects how the administration is and will be viewed for a long, long time, let alone
the impact on all the rest of us.

[NNN0LHI]

37. Most Americans as stupid as they are still think we are hunting the people responsible for 9/11

President Obama has to play the cards he is dealt unfortunately.

Don

[redqueen]

39. Who writes this shit?

"According to reports, Mr Obama is unlikely to make an announcement until after Nov 23 when Nato to consider requests to commit more troops."

"...when Nato to consider..."? Really? UGH!

[SIMPLYB1980]

42. Just people reading tea leaves, and our allies leaking info.

All of them point to the conclusion Obama is sending in more troops. Doesn't really matter who doesn't like it. It's obvious Obama is going forward with this. Time for people to get use to it, or do what they think is right and leave the Democratic party.

[redqueen]

44. I'm talking about the shitty grammar.

Fucking editors, do your jobs. x(

[SIMPLYB1980]

45. I can agree with that, but my grammar is

worse so I have no place to complain.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

46. The LBJ strategey of continuing a lost war. More cannon-fodder, more money, more CYA.

And, then a pretty monument to the dead.

[SIMPLYB1980]

47. LoL!

[Forkboy]

55. A picture of US foreign policy over the last 50 years!

[SIMPLYB1980]

57. LOL!

:popcorn:

[branders seine]

50. and his hitless streak continues

maybe we should bench him for awhile.

let him get his stroke back...

[SIMPLYB1980]

53. Guess they are letting the cat out of the bag.

CBS and MSNBC are reporting the same.