I'm not the only one speculating on the link between shootings and SSRI drugs

[Th1onein]

This is from The Examiner:

http://www.examiner.com/x-8358-Detroit-Substance-Abuse-Examiner~y2009m11d6-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-His-own-patient

Malik Hasan is the shooter responsible
for slaughtering 13 people and wounding 31 othersNidal Malik Hasan, the army major responsible for slaughtering 13 unarmed people, and wounding another 38 on Thursday the 5th of November at Fort Hood military base in Killeen, TX, may have been treating himself with psychotropic medications.

The major was about to deploy overseas, and didn't make it a secret that he was dissatisfied with the move. According to retired Army Col. Terry Lee, Major Hasan frequently argued with military personnel about their support of the wars in Iraq, and Afghanistan, and tried to weasel out of of his pending deployment, according to Fox News in Dallas.

The Huffington Post reported that soldiers deployed overseas used to be given an anti-malarial drug called mefloquine, but in 2002 three soldiers murdered their wifes, and the drug took the heat for possibly causing their behavior. The drug has serious side-effects including psychotic behavior. Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth did a story on the Fort Bragg murders in 2002.

It would also be interesting to see whether Major Hasan was being given this drug as he was about to be deployed overseas. Given his already suspecdt behavior, this may have sent him over the edge.

[KittyWampus]

1. pure conjecture. Edit- and I posted about Lariam on DU YEARS ago and at one point was attacked

by a DU Science "expert" as being against vaccines.

[Th1onein]

14. Oh, I expect to see those people on this thread, too.

Why one thing has anything to do with the other, I don't know. I guess the assumption is that if you are against one drug, you must be against them all. Silly.

[Richardo]

2. One would think that after your baseless yet fervent prediction re: 900 deaths from Hurricane Ike...

...that you'd be out of the speculation game and waiting until the facts came in. Guess not.

[Th1onein]

7. One would hope that you're not here to hijack this thread.

We'll see, though....

I relied on, obviously, a bad informant, and bad information regarding Hurricane Ike. Can't say that I was thinking real straight either--I had family members missing (thank God they were found a few days later, out of harm's way). Mea culpa. Nobody's perfect, friend.

But I'm not the only one saying these things about SSRI drugs and these mass murder sprees that we are seeing almost weekly now. There are a lot of people talking about this, and I'm concerned because we're not hearing anything in the mainstream news on this topic.

You should be, too.

[Th1onein]

26. The facts will never come in unless someone asks the question.

And the media is not asking the question, are they?

You know, you can come on here with your snipes and try to kill this thread (and I'm sure that's your purpose) but all you're doing is hurting this forum. You're trying to quash the questions that should be asked. And that serves no one.

[Jackpine Radical]

3. We knew years ago that Prozac was related to increased suicidality,

even though it took the FDA decades to figure that out.

And there is a general disinhibiting function that happens when you take anti-anxiety drugs, and stimulant drugs as well. These would be the three most common psychiatric drug classes in the military, the ones a military psychiatrist would be most likely to use.

[stray cat]

9. It causes you to be a well planned organized murder plotting for weeks or years?

[Th1onein]

11. LOL. I doubt this murder took weeks or years to plan. Don't you?

I mean, come on. If he had taken weeks or years to plan it, surely with all those weapons on an Army base, he could have come up with something better than two handguns in a crowd.

[bettyellen]

17. he bought the guns and started back at the mosque in August after his car was keyed, so yes weeks.

[Th1onein]

19. So, you are guessing that his "plan" started when he bought the guns?

I don't think that's a good guess.

[Th1onein]

15. Thank you, Jackpine.

And it disturbs me that this question has not been asked by the MSM. I am worried that we're going to see a trend, starting with the closing of the records on this with the Virginia Tech shooter.

[Buzz Clik]

4. "...may have been treating himself with psychotropic medications...." and maybe not.

[Th1onein]

13. I know. But why isn't the mainstream media asking this question?

Don't you think it's a pertinent question? Instead, we're hearing about the possibility of jihad, just because he's a Muslim.

[Dreamer Tatum]

21. Because of Occam's Razor nt

[Jackpine Radical]

25. Occam--aint that some kinda Ay-rab name?

(And yes, I know fully well who William of Ockham/Occam was.)

[Odin2005]

5. Oh, you again.

:eyes:

[Th1onein]

8. Don't have anything intelligent to add to the discussion, huh?

Thought so.

[Th1onein]

16. Well, now we see that you ARE here to hijack this thread.

Thanks for showing your true colors. Since you have nothing to add to the intelligent discussion of this issue, I'm going to put you on Ignore.

[stray cat]

6. And more than one person thinks Obama is not an American.....

Two opinions or more do not coorelate with factual

[Th1onein]

10. Nah? But that SHIT is a subject for mainstream media, isn't it?

These drugs are linked to increased suicidality and violent behavior. This is a question we need to ask, and have answered. Why isn't the media asking it?

Come on...this guy in Ft. Hood was a psychiatrist and about to be deployed to Iraq. Don't you think it's a pertinent question to ask? What kind of medications was he taking?

[Statistical]

12. A dozen soldiers out of millions kill their wives (after returning from horrors of war) and it must

be the drugz that did it.

See these 3 (plus a dozen more) killed their wives after getting the vax.

Of course in the correlation = causation category they fail to notice that every single soldier who killed his wife also drank water in the preceding 48 hours.

See big water doesn't want you to know how it causes people to kill people.
I bet the shooter in Texas also drank water.
The men who assassinated Keneedy, MLK, and tried to assassinate Reagan all likely drank water.

See it is all lining up.

Anyone who disputes my "proof" is a tool of Big Water.

[Th1onein]

18. Your analogy of my arguement reeks.

Try again.

[Sinti]

20. Why would you insult someone with a false premise such as this

There are not "millions" of American soldiers. Soldiers did come home and kill their wives before the drugs were invented, but there is a correlation between psychiatric drugs and violence in the civilian world - the military is not immune.

Certain psychiatric drugs have negative effects on their users, it's not really a question at this point. It's part of the side effects that have to be listed in the PDR, and the user needs to be told about them before taking the drug. These drugs impact the brain in various ways, and at least in some cases with highly negative outcomes.

Why on earth would you make a statement like this? Do you have proof that there's no correlation, because if you do it would make a lot of doctors' lives much easier.

[timtom]

28. Oddly enough, I don't recall anything similar from the Vietnam era.

The drugs involved were generally illegal mind-altering drugs, though. Perhaps that made all the difference.

[spoony]

22. Tragedies really do bring out the agendas in people nt

[Th1onein]

27. Just take a look at some of the news stories on SSRI stories.

Many of the reports having to do with SSRI use in the news is a report on a tragedy, isn't it? Time and again, the use of these drugs has caused people to go berserk and become violent, killing as many people as they can take out, at one time. If pointing out this fact is an "agenda," then thank God someone has that agenda.

And, once again, I'm not saying that these drugs don't help a lot of people. They do. But they are given out like candy, and PARTICULARLY SO to our armed service members. Without counseling, without monitoring. Nothing. Read the article I posted a few days ago, from Military Families Speak Out. We claim to support out troops, yet when one of them goes crazy, we are quick to pin the "Islamic terrorist" label on him, instead of even asking the obvious question: what kind of drugs was he on?

Instead of taking pot shots at me, why aren't you asking this question? What is YOUR agenda?

[Dreamer Tatum]

23. Just goes to show you, no mere fact is ever a match for an agenda

Which was demonstrated by the OP with her strident insistence that the deaths of hundreds were covered up by
the government during Hurricane Ike.

[SOS]

24. It certainly wouldn't be the first time:

http://ssristories.com/index.php