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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 09:57 PM
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Digby: 'The ruling elite could never allow an unambiguous liberal victory...'
Reflecting on last night's health care bill's passage in the House, digby is on point:



.....

I knew that after all the sturm and drang over the past few months over the public option, the number one liberal priority in the health care debate, there would be a price for its success. The ruling elite could never allow an unambiguous liberal victory. It would endanger their narrative that says fealty to business, religion, military and other authoritarian structures is democratically inspired. They have to maintain the fiction that the people prefer to be subjects. If politicians aren't convinced that there will be a price for being liberals, they might get the idea that they can actually govern liberally.

This is why changing the media narratives and forcing Democrats to use liberal rhetoric and reject right wing framing is as important to the process as anything else. By perpetuating this default, conservative ideology, even as they are excoriated for being liberals (see: Obama campaign) they permanently tilt the playing field to the right, even in a liberal era or one in which the only pragmatic answers to difficult problems are liberal.

This problem isn't just a matter of good negotiating or putting pressure on politicians. Yes, these things are important. But in my opinion, unless we begin to change how this country defines itself, and how it projects its values, liberal policies are going to be impossible to implement to the extent that's necessary. Everything in our system is designed to prevent it.

Universal health care is something any decent, wealthy society shouldn't even have to think twice about. It's a global embarrassment that the United States, the chest thumping superpower, is even having this debate at this late date. It's equally embarrassing that we have put together a Frankenstein of a system because our democratic government is in league with wealthy interests which are exploiting its people. It's hard to believe that anyone would call that system liberal, much less socialist, but as you can see every day on Fox news, it's set off a tantrum among a vocal minority that would hardly be less hysterical if aliens from a foreign planet landed in Washington. (And that hysteria is also a tool of the permanent establishment, funded by big money, and used as a way of keeping the debate focused on the right, even if it's taking on an absurdist quality.)

Any legislation such as health care reform must therefore be tempered by a liberal sacrifice, something real, a principle that will make them hate themselves and loathe each other for having done it. It cannot be a clean victory, lest they come to believe they can do more. In the end, the "moral" must always be that you cannot go too far left.

The Stupak amendment was designed to do just that, a power move easily predicted by anyone who has watched the way policy victories are managed over the last couple of decades. The one consistent characteristic is that they are never unambiguously positive for the left. The arguments are always self-servingly pragmatic --- "blue dogs have to vote their district" --- but the real purpose is to drive home the absolute certainty that liberals are never really in charge. That is why there is never any desire among the ruling elite to sell the idea that liberalism itself -- its philosophy, its values, its ideology --- is something positive with which a majority of people, including Blue Dogs, can identify. If the public ever came to believe that, who knows what might happen?


Health care reform is extremely likely to pass in some form. But let's not kid ourselves that it's passing because the Democrats and the public have seen the light and understand that we need to be a more decent society. It's passing because medical industry has been greedy to the point where it's now unsustainable. That presented an opening for liberals to enact some policies they have believed in for a long time. But they didn't do it by making the liberal arguments straight up and have created some kind of strange hybrid system for which the best argument is that it might lead to opportunities for more reform. It's better than nothing. But it isn't liberal and it wasn't designed to be. And just in case, the powers-that-be stuck it to the pro-choicers to make sure nobody got the idea that it was.




Profoundly depressing, digby. But all of it is true.



But, these days, the truth has been so contaminated by the poison of conservatism, that it is exquisitely painful to comprehend it in the madness swirling around us.



Thank you, digby, for giving truth a voice.




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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:19 PM
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1. ttt
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:24 PM
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2. "Universal health care is something any decent, wealthy society shouldn't even have to think twice
about."

And yet...I wish I had a nickel for all the times I've seen that notion diminished and denigrated right here on DU as some some sort of wild-assed kooky uber-lefty unrealistic minority view of a trivial handful.


Kicking and recommending.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:06 PM
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21. The rest of the civilized WORLD takes it for granted.
But it is much too hard for America.
Single Payer is just way too impractical.
Our politicians tell us that we should be grateful for the crumbs.
That is "The Uniquely American Solution".
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:24 PM
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3. True--the proverbial pound of flesh had to be taken, lest the left get
too full of itself.
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Roosesvelte Donating Member (85 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:36 PM
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4. It'll Get Better
Nothing this big happens all at once. Usually.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:45 PM
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5. True again--overall I'm still glad it passed. And welcome to DU!
Edited on Sun Nov-08-09 10:45 PM by TwilightGardener
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:56 PM
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7. Here's to hoping you are correct on that
and welcome to DU!

:toast:
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:12 PM
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8. Wishful thiking
by the time it goes thru the Senate, it will be even worse then it is now.


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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 10:12 PM
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24. +1 Like watching the movie after reading the book and wondering WTF happened to the story? nt
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placton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 08:10 AM
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17. is it you, Rahm, commenting again
strange how many low number posters pop up to tell us it will all be hunkey-dorey, ain't it?
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:13 PM
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22. Yep.
They are going to go back and "fix it" later.
Just like NAFTA.
Just like "The Patriot Act".
Just like "regulating Wall Street" after the bailouts.

"They" will cut and run before the ink is dry, and throw a "Mission Accomplished" Party for the TV cameras congratulating each other on what a Fine Job they did while slipping the checks from the Health Insurance lobbyists into their back pocket.


The most often told lie in Washington:
"We'll go back and fix it later".
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:03 PM
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19. Spoken like one who has spent very little time on this earth
or in this country.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 10:52 PM
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6. The very heart of it all is this line...
"democratic government is in league with wealthy interests which are exploiting its people"

We are a democracy of corporations and some corporations are more equal than others. The average citizen is simply a unit of production that, much to the relief of the ruling elite, is easily distracted by shiny things.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:47 PM
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10. Straight to the point. Very good, Vinnie.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:41 PM
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9. Good post. It also sent us the message that the religious right's views
will be considered over those of the party's women.

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:49 AM
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14. +1
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-08-09 11:48 PM
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11. I agree with Digby on everything except the "it's better than nothing" part. Thanks for
posting this, seafan.
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ProleNoMore Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 04:47 AM
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12. The Truth Hurts - The Corporate Oligarchs Must Be Taken Down!
eom
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:40 AM
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13. Good post
Rec
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 05:54 AM
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15. K&R
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 07:40 AM
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16. damn powerful stuff. endanger authoritarian fealty...eat the rich!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:33 AM
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18. The last Liberal President died in Dallas 46 years ago.
President Kennedy stood up to the War Party and paid for it with his life.

If he'd lived, the money wasted on war might've saved the planet and preserved the United States.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 06:05 PM
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20. Indeed. As it stands neither will last another 46 years. nt
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-09-09 09:24 PM
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23. LOL. JFK was a moderate who pissed off the banking elite
Edited on Mon Nov-09-09 09:25 PM by anonymous171
Nothing more. He was not a dove, just a realist.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:43 AM
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25. ''I find nothing funny about the assassination of President Kennedy.'' -- Kurt Vonnegut
Kennedy was president a little more than 1,000 days. He used every minute of that time to keep the peace.

If you're interested in learning, anonymous171:

Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-10-09 09:59 AM
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26. Thank you for enriching this thread, Octafish. Pure gold, you are.
:patriot:
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