The Hill - "U.S. Chamber, employers oppose House healthcare bill"

[TomCADem]

I think Dennis Kucinich would be very surprised that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce opposed the House bill. Hopefully, Kucinich and Lieberman will side with the people, and not the U.S. Chamber of Commerce:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/65477-us-chamber-employers-oppose-house-healthcare-bill

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U.S. Chamber, employers oppose House healthcare bill

The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and a coalition of nine business groups on Thursday urged House lawmakers to vote against Democrats' newly unveiled healthcare bill.

In a letter sent to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) this afternoon, the collection of employers and trade groups charged that House Democrats' latest effort "falls short of the bipartisan goal of controlling costs and jeopardizes employer-sponsored coverage."

While they did reaffirm Democrats' rationale for healthcare reform, they ultimately said the provisions in the majority party's new bill would adversely affect the entire employer community.

Evidence abounds that as much as one-third of health care spending may be unnecessary. This is why the employer community has been so proactively engaged in the reform effort," they wrote. "Unfortunately, we do not believe the House bill, taken as a whole, achieves meaningful, long-term control of U.S. health care costs and therefore urge all members of the House of Representatives to oppose the legislation."

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[robinlynne]

1. Dennis always sides with the people. Do you?

[TomCADem]

3. He Sided With The U.S. Chamber of Commerce On This Vote

Or, are you saying he voted in favor of the bill? The only other people who opposed the bill were Republicans and conservadems.

[robinlynne]

6. read his statement. he sided with the people, who want universal health care.

What exactly ahve you done for healthcare for all americans? Did you work 1% of the time Kucinich did? or Conyers? or Weiner? or Grayson?

[TomCADem]

9. He Voted With AHIP and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce On This Bill. Period.

He may be right on other issues. But, if he is voting in agreement with the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AHIP and AGAINST the AFL-CIO and the AARP, then he is on the wrong side.

[robinlynne]

11. You are full fo shit and I wish you would shut up. period. We are all getting tired of hearing your

crap. We know what you think. Most of us disagree. putting you on ignore.

[TomCADem]

14. Why Are You Defending USCC and AHIP and Attacking the AFL-CIO and AARP?

Please explain why you think the USCC and AHIP are right on this bill and the AFL-CIO and AARP are wrong on this bill. Most of "us" disagree? Who is us? The GOP, the USCC and AHIP who opposed the bill?

Well, then the proper site you should consider if Free Republic, which is filled with folks who (like the USCC and AHIP) oppose the bill.

[robinlynne]

16. I think YOU are wrong. It's that simple. enemy of my enemy is my friend? bullshit.

Have you ever read the Greek philosophers? Your argument is like the sophists, at the very beginning before people learned how to actually think things through. It is very simple, and very wrong.

[TomCADem]

20. Once Again, Why Do You Think The AFL-CIO and AARP Supported The Bill?

And why did the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AHIP oppose it? Next thing you know, you are going to tell me not to trust the recommendations of the Sierra Club and to trust the American Petroleum Institute on a climate change bill.

This is my take. With all due respect to Dennis Kucinich, I think the AARP and the AFL-CIO might have the better read on this bill. Even better, the opposition of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and AHIP should speak volumes.

Yet, for all your ad hominem attacks, you fail to reconcile the positions of those Democrats who opposed the bill with the AARP and the AFL-CIO.

[robinlynne]

21. not relevant. at all to why kucinich voted as he did. not even a tiny little bit.

[TomCADem]

25. Hey, Why Stop There? What If A Republican Really, Really Believed ...

That the bill would lead to the creation of death panels and that a vote against the bill was a vote against tyranny, socialism and forced euthanasia?

Should we also give that Republican a free pass because they voted against the bill based on their pure thoughts? Should they also get a little asterisk by their name?

[robinlynne]

27. comparing republicans to kucinich is like comparing ..lieberman to a progressive.

aint no comparison. get that? If you want to compare someone to Republicans go after the blue doggies who voted for the sustak amendment and against the bill. Those are people ON THE RIGHT who don't want health care for the people. Not one who fights more than most others for health care FOR THE PEOPLE. The only guy who wrote THE BEST AMENDMENT POSSIBLE for all of us you want to attack?
enough. Your arugment isn't intelligent enough to continue wasting keystrokes on.
sorry but you need to start thinking. You have the capacity.
really.

[robinlynne]

24. let me put it simply. Because right wingers vote aginst the bill, that does not mean that someone wh

who votes against the bill is right wing. Thinking that way is called a sophism. It is a very elementary way of looking at things, which misses most of the important contexts in which things happen. for example if a does not equal b, and c does not equal d, that does not mean that a equals c. It just does NOT. Think it over for a moment.

[robinlynne]

18. Read soly mack's psot. those are the people you should direct your anger

towards. You will do well at free republic. they think just like you do.

[tblue]

13. For different reasons, tho. I have no quarrel with that. The bill is very problematic.

And I think he knew it would pass without his vote.

[robinlynne]

19. The poster of this thread is not intelligent enough to discern reasons people may do things.

or who is really doing right by our country. just throwing out some anger without any thought attached. over and over posts and more posts. hopefully he will go away by tomorrow.

[TomCADem]

22. ...says the person with profanity in the title of their post...

:hi:

[Newsjock]

2. Fuck the U.S. Chamber of Commerce

I'm not normally so blunt and content-free, but that's about all I can say about this.

[TheCowsCameHome]

12. x 2

......if not more.

[HughMoran]

28. x2000

I hate those scum-sucking pigs with a passion. CC members will get NO business from me.

[tblue]

30. +200000

[Luminous Animal]

4. Odd that you suppose that Kucinich was not already aware

of the Chamber's position.

[TomCADem]

5. Giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Hawkeye-X]

7. AHIP was running their usual crappy ads again tonight on ABC

while I was watching football.

Hawkeye-X

[TomCADem]

10. Conversely, the AFL-CIO and AARP Supported The Bill, AHIP and USCC Opposed It

[Cha]

8. Well, we just got ourselves two new people in

Congress who voted for the Bill.. Bill Owens and John Garamendi who ran when the Congressional Seats were vacated bc President Obama appointed the Reps to positions in his admin.

So tough shite US chamber of commerce.

[Selatius]

15. The health care bill would've went down in flames if the Progressive Caucus decided to vote no.

They were unhappy with the watered down compromise, and if they had actually decided to essentially veto the bill, people here would be cursing the entire Progressive Caucus instead of just one man. As it stands, it's politically easier to attack one man who has in the past been constantly ridiculed and belittled than an entire segment of Congress with a progressive history.

Would we be equating the Progressive Caucus with being on the side of the US Chamber of Commerce? Hardly.

[TomCADem]

17. The Progressive Caucas Would Not Have Gone Against The AARP and AFL-CIO

Let me put it this way, the AARP and AFL-CIO gave the thumbs down, then the bill would never have even gotten a vote. Likewise, I seriously doubt that the Progressive Caucas would have gone against these groups, and if they did, I would not necessarily trust the members in Congress over the AARP and AFL-CIO.

[Selatius]

23. It works both ways. The AARP supported the abysmal effort known as Medicare Part D.

That has done nothing but worsen the financial state of Medicare to the benefit of the pharmaceutical industry. Ideally, we should judge an issue by the merits of it alone, not where others lay on the same issue.

[madrchsod]

26. once again an epic failure

just every country we compete against on the world stage has universal government run medical care/payment. business across this country would jump at the chance to dump health care companies and co-buy into the medicare program.

another lie perpetuated by the health care insurance companies

[chill_wind]

29. Of course they do. They were also the biggest lobby, along with Wall Street Dems,

for the bank bailout. This is news to you?

[Jane Austin]

31. I'm an employer and

I support the house bill until we can get something stronger.

We should have single payer, then maybe we could give our employees a meaningful raise instead of putting all that money in insurance premiums.

[treestar]

32. Why wouldn't employers want to be relieved of the burden

One would think they would be for single payer.