If you think the House Bill is bad, wait till you see what the Senate passes....

[Junkdrawer]

It will make the House bill look like Single Payer for All.

This was supposed to be our Victory Day where the Democratic Base rejoices in triumph.

Deep, deep sigh.

[inna]

1. darn. you might have a point.

:(

[Junkdrawer]

3. Harry will have to find 3 or 4 Republican votes....

And those will NOT come cheap. I'm guessing just about all the mandates for pre-existing coverage will become suggestions or appeal boards before all is said and done.

And that's for starters.

[walldude]

19. I think all we will get is unregulated pre-existing coverage

and mandates. That will be the bill. People with pre-existing conditions will be forced to buy unregulated insurance at prices they can't afford and if they don't they will have to pay a fine to the government. Government wins, insurance companies win, we lose. Why should this issue be any different than any others.

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Smart of Congress to pass the bankruptcy bill before they mandated we all buy

private health insurance. :evilgrin: We are well and truly screwn!

[rollingrock]

2. It will make what we had under Bush

look like single payer.

[RKP5637]

4. I though we had voted in a strong democratic majority that would actively

work for the best possible. I'm starting to wonder what we voted in... I'm really getting a bit saddened with all of it...

[ProleNoMore]

5. We Voted In Hand Selected DLCers

eom

[RKP5637]

9. Makes sense now. Thanks! n/t

[kath]

14. yep - thanks, Rahm! WOOT!

:banghead:

[SammyWinstonJack]

22. Yep. nt

[Sebastian Doyle]

6. See that's the whole point.

We already KNEW the Senate Bill was going to suck ass the day it was announced that it would be "negotiated" by the insurance whore from Montana, the husband of the insurance whore from Connecticut, and the spineless turd from Nevada.

The House bill was supposed to be the GOOD one with a REAL public option. Now it also sucks corporate cock.

You cannot combine a pile of shit with another pile of shit and get a hot fudge sundae.

[Junkdrawer]

8. Gee, with all this horseshit, there has to be a pony somewhere!

Old AA joke...

[newspeak]

12. good one

:rofl:

[Life Long Dem]

11. Greed prompted the Saturday session.

That's what I believe the recent outcry was all about.

Then they call for a Saturday session. House Speaker Pelosi needed to get back to work to finish the bill, and after drawing a line in the sand, the stick was set aside so they may sign the bill.

[kath]

15. "You cannot combine a pile of shit with another pile of shit and get a hot fudge sundae".

heh - can I quote you on that? :evilgrin:

[Cleita]

7. Still see no reason, not to let them filibuster.

In the end it still will be a majority vote without the Blue Dogs and Olympia Snowe and a good bill could be passed. They don't want to upset their campaign donors, the industry that created this phony health care scheme to begin with. That's what is really going on.

[endless october]

10. the house bill is the bare minimum.

any more compromises, and we're basically better off not passing and trying again.

[newspeak]

13. yeah, and those who think this bill

will eventually lead to a strong public option or single payer, I'd think again. Once you give more power to the health insurance cartel, it will be even harder to get a true public option. To think, that the government is even going to provide some bailout for the for-profit insurance industry. I mean wall street and the health industry must really need our money. What I don't think your going to get is reasonable health care without government subsidies. Remember those subsidies go to the "gotta make a profit" health insurance industry. What a windfall!!!!

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. "What a windfall". Exactly!

[AllentownJake]

16. Just wait till the Democrats control the Senate by 60 votes

Than we'll get reform.

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. LOL!

:evilgrin:

[Orwellian_Ghost]

17. Ultimately

this about privatizing the health-care sector. That's where all of this is headed.

All other talk is mere shadow-boxing in the narrow bubble of congressional politics.

[QC]

18. But no matter how bad it is, plenty of people here will eagerly tell us

that this big pile of brown stuff is actually delicious chocolate, despite the flies and stench.

[DavidDvorkin]

20. What counts is what comes out of the conference committee

I'm waiting for that before I celebrate or weep.