In July, Kucinich said the House bill held insurance companies accountable

[ProSense]

Kucinich Strengthens Health Care Bill

Secures Four Amendments in Health Care Reform Bill

Washington, Jul 17 -

In addition to securing a historic victory for states’ single-payer health care, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today won adoption of four other amendments in HR 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act. The Kucinich amendments:

• drive down the cost and increase the access of prescription drugs by ending the pharmaceutical industry’s practice of manipulating physician prescribing habits to pharmaceutical representatives;
• ending the insurance industry practice of raising costs or decreasing coverage for Americans during the time Americans are not allowed to switch plans;
• require the disclosure of insurance company costs like advertising and marketing costs, as well as executive compensation, that use consumer’s money to increase profits instead of covering care;
• improve access to integrative medicine by requiring its consideration for standard coverage and by requiring the identification of integrative medicine providers .

“With the addition of this language, this is a stronger bill that will protect Americans and hold health insurance companies accountable to their customers,” said Kucinich.

(emphasis added)

Does the bill no longer do these things?

[Go2Peace]

1. Stop SPAMMING OPs , we know you hate DK already!

[ProSense]

3. Don't like to face facts? n/t

[adamuu]

5. Whatever. Half the first page of GP is a big DK jerk off

at the moment

[Cha]

32. Can't handle the truth..too bad.

[Davis_X_Machina]

2. The bill must have changed...

...because DK doesn't. Except on choice. Just before beginning a national campaign.

[adamuu]

4. HAHAH. nice.

DK is an unreliable ally.
Even when he happens to support something I agree with, I am apprehensive.

[rollingrock]

18. The bill did change, for the worse

when Pelosi stripped out the state single-payer amendment, which was the only thing in the bill that COULD have held the insurance companies accountable. that was a huge blow to the bill, and probably the biggest reason why kucinich turned against it.

[greennina]

6. He lied.

So what. Politicians do that every day. Why are you making an issue of this lie? What's your agenda?

[ProSense]

7. "He lied." "What's your agenda?"

Do I have to have one to call out someone you claim is a liar?

[greennina]

8. You call him a liar.

Back-up your claim, or are you just trying to make him look bad?

[ProSense]

21. I did no such thing. The fact remains that the OP statement contradicts his current claims. n/t

[AllentownJake]

30. It was in July of 2009

Oh July when people were still talking about a robust public option to November of 2009 where people are happy with anything that remotely looks like one.

What this bill looked like in development in July of 2009 is a lot different than what it looks like in November...of course you know that.

[Cha]

33. She already backed it up if you would

open your eyes..you could see that.

[AllentownJake]

36. Than our President is a liar

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6963256&mesg_id=6963256

If you want to pull statements from the past and hold people accountable.

[SammyWinstonJack]

47. +1. Chess playing and all that jazz.

:evilgrin:

[HughMoran]

10. Thank you

His "followers" are going to slam you for telling the truth (even though they all say that Dennis speaks "truth" to power.) It's the grandstanding & hypocrisy that pisses people off.

Thanks!! :hi:

[Luminous Animal]

29. Nope. What was voted on and passed was HR 3962.

What Kucinich was touting in the link was amendments added to HR 3200. Only a side by side comparison would reveal what was stripped out of the final bill but one thing we know for sure is the single most important Kucinich amendment that Pelosi stripped out was the ability for states to create their own single-payer system.

With Kucinich's ERISA amendment stripped, states will NOT be allowed to set up their single-payers systems.

[AllentownJake]

9. We need the 3 post rule back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvK_R3dh54M

[HughMoran]

11. What is it that the terminally miserable say here? Oh yeah "why are you trying to silence me!!"

What's the matter - are the arguments starting to hit home?

Not wanting to thank god for the lying grandstanding hypocrite any more?

You're being very transparent here...

[AllentownJake]

13. I think this is the OPs 20th topic on the same subject in one day

It is called beating a dead horse. If I was engaging in this type of behavior you'd be calling me a rageaholic or what was it edited to yesterday...Mr. Grumpy.

I made three OPs on this debate and you want me drawed and quartered... she's free to do it...but it is called spamming for a reason.

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[AllentownJake]

19. One poster

posting nonsense over and over again, and a bunch of cheerleading zombies casting their support for said thread is not a genie in the bottle situation....it is the same as a picture thread of BO

[HughMoran]

25. So the picture threads get under your skin too huh?

Well, I have to agree they don't do much for me either (bet you didn't expect that when you clicked on my response :rofl: )

I do think what is going on here is an appropriate tit-for-tat. In fact, if you hadn't added insult to debbie's horrible timing of a thread, this may not have blown out of proportion like it has. That's why I made the genie comment - I think you might wish you hadn't help to catapult this into the destructive shitfest that it's become. JMHO, but I'm rarely wrong about these things.

[AllentownJake]

26. I didn't think you like the picture threads

However this is just as much spam...seriously quotes from July 2009 before the bill was out of any committee? It is intellectually dishonest and Pro knows that.

How the hell did I turn this into a shit fest...I posted an opinion, honestly when I posted that I expected to get 180 unrecs and for it to sink like a rock.

[treestar]

43. Don't you post a lot of threads?

and aren't they always negative?

Pot meet kettle.

[ProSense]

20. Facts are annoying, huh? n/t

[AllentownJake]

23. Was the bill out of committee in July?

How about President Obama's statement that mandating people to buy insurance is like mandating the poor to buy a house from March of 2008...is that relevant today?

[HughMoran]

12. Keep posting so long as you're getting negative recs

The negative recs are tacit admission that you're getting to the Dennizombies.

[JackRiddler]

27. I wonder what you'd say if it was positive recs.

[rollingrock]

14. Was that before or after Pelosi stripped out his single-payer amendment?

I'm thinking it was before.

[Luminous Animal]

15. Yes.

[ProSense]

22. These issues have nothing to do with his single-payer amendment. n/t

[rollingrock]

24. Yes, it does

it says so right there at the beginning of your post,

In addition to securing a historic victory for states’ single-payer health care, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) today won adoption of four other amendments in HR 3200, America’s Affordable Health Choices Act. The Kucinich amendments:...


when Pelosi took that critical amendment out of the bill, Kucinich had every reason to turn against it.

[ProSense]

28. They are separate amendments that have nothing to do with the single-payer amendment. n/t

[rollingrock]

31. Does the phrase 'in addition to' mean anything to you?

DK lists all the reasons why he supports the bill, INCLUDING the states single payer amendment. if you take out the biggest reason for his support of the bill at the last minute, as Nancy Pelosi has done at the request of the WH, then naturally he is going to have a very different opinion of it. how hard is that to understand?

[ProSense]

35. Obviously, you're going to ignore reality. n/t

[rollingrock]

38. I give up.

Are you in the Twilight Zone or what? I guess there's just no reasoning with some people. its kinda scary.

[Luminous Animal]

37. It was a different bill, also.

Kucinich was talking about HR 3200. The bill that passed is HR 3296.

[rollingrock]

41. That would do it

some may easily fall for Pelosi's bait and switch tactics, but DK isn't one of them.

[slipslidingaway]

40. Only certain words have meaning to the OP, forget the first sentence...

and anything else he said about the bill.

:crazy:

[Odin2005]

16. St. Dennis a LIAR? Please say it ain't so!!!

:rofl:

[Cha]

34. They don't care..lies mean

zip to them.

[slipslidingaway]

39. Why ignore the first sentence ....

"In addition to securing a historic victory for states’ single-payer health care..."

The Dems stripped it out of the bill, presumably at the request of the administration.

[ProleNoMore]

42. ProSense Is On A DK Rampage Again

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[ProSense]

44. Not my fault you can't deal with criticism of Kucinich. n/t

[ProleNoMore]

45. I Am Dealing With The Criticism Just Fine - One Suspects The Pushback May Be Challenging

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[azmouse]

46. kick