Wow, one of the most DISGUSTING cartoons I've seen in awhile

[ButterflyBlood]

[cordelia]

1. That is way messed up. NT

[blonndee]

2. WTF? That's SICK. Who the hell would even think of

drawing such a thing? How dare that cartoonist put those words in the mouths of the murdered victims?

[crim son]

4. A fair number of DUers

would appear to espouse the sentiment.

[Redstone]

11. Unfortunately, that's true. Fortunately, there are MANY more than them who don't.

And it's made me feel good to see so many DUers argue against that ridiculous idea so much more clearly and logically that I ever could, because I get consumed with anger when I hear or read someone saying something as moronic as "Well, all the students should have guns too."

Redstone

[Critters2]

19. Me too.

When I hear this crap, I start out debating. I end up ranting.

[piedmont]

24. Would you please point to a DU post that seriously advocated ALL students get guns?

[Redstone]

33. Oh, spare me. You MUST have seen them. If not, use the search function. Nice strawman,

by the way.

Redstone

[piedmont]

43. I think you must not know what a straw man is.

If you did, you would understand that YOU were using one, not me.

[Redstone]

3. Disgusting, yes. Revolting. Sickening. I could go on, but I need to go vomit now.

Redstone

[piedmont]

5. WAAAAAY un-called for. Disgusting is putting it mildly. nt

[muntrv]

6. Is Mike Lester an expert marksman? I'm curious as to how he knows that

if the victim had a gun, he would have survived.

[realisticphish]

7. beyond the vileness

and bizarre concept of timing and delicacy, did anyone else notice that the speech bubbles appear to be casting shadows?

[Kiouni]

8. i think the artist needs help too.

the talked about missed warning signs well, here's a big one!

[ComerPerro]

9. that's fucked up, but the NRA would love it

[rusty charly]

10. "Got a last wish?"

"Yea. That you had gotten therapy"

[Rocknrule]

12. You got this from Fox News, didn't you?

[depakid]

45. No, it's from the Rome GEORGIA Tribune

and it's about what one would expect from that neck of the woods.

[patrice]

13. That's the NRA Using the deaths of the VT students for self aggrandizement.

[Reterr]

14. Where is that from?

God thats repulsive...

[gatorboy]

15. Who knew that dialog bubbles cast their own shadows.

[Cabcere]

16. Nauseating. n/t

[mudesi]

17. Republicans don't know humor

Really.

[gatorboy]

18. The sad thing is they probably think THAT'S funny.

[rusty charly]

20. here's the range of his "opinions":

http://www.caglecartoons.com/archive.asp?artistID={F8ECF45B-DEF5-4444-93C3-B01E3607ACFB}

here's the osama conflation (believe it or don't)

http://www.caglecartoons.com/viewimage.asp?ID={92E6B3D0-F408-404C-853C-6FF26A67295E}

[KAZ]

21. Let him know what you think. Link.

[e-mail]

[Colobo]

22. I got mixed feelings about it

It is distasteful, but I wish someone had killed that bastard before he went on and killed 32 innocent people.

I got no sympathy for the guy.

[Initech]

23. Who the fuck thought that was funny?

:puke:

[BlooInBloo]

25. Statement of fundamental mentality? My wish would be that he DIDN'T have a gun.

[karlrschneider]

26. You find this obvious, if somewhat crudely put fact offensive? Why?

Oh, I forgot...people who are threatened by an insane murderer aren't allowed to defend themselves. The government will protect them. Except when it doesn't.

[Matsubara]

27. That's not why it's offensive.

It's because it's an obvious and crass exploitation of fear, not to mention fundamentally dishonest, since it is doubtful that students merely being armed would have prevented it.

If this kid had had access to only a knife, not easily available guns, the body count (if any) would have been much, much lower.


(It's also highly likely that the whole student body being armed would lead to a lot MORE shooting incidents on an annual basis.)

[karlrschneider]

31. Well, "if" and "highly likely" don't meet any sort of logical standard.

If you are ever threatened by a psychopathic killer with a gun, I hope you have one too. It might not be the ideal response but it beats the shit out of sitting there waiting your turn for execution. Or maybe you're a fatalist....

[Matsubara]

32. Handguns are strictly controlled in the country where I live and crime is very low...

...so that's highly unlikely.

And the cartoon is also based on a HUGE "if" - If the victims had had guns they might have been able to use them in time.

[karlrschneider]

34. That is true. I have been to Japan many times.

I have a lot of dear friends there. Even in Hiroshima, which might seem odd to some people. But I do wonder if you refuse to believe the situation COULD have been mitigated if there had been one or more trained and armed people in the crime scene. I was not there so I don't know precisely how the killer operated but I do know this much: he had to at least look around at different people if he was preparing to shoot them. I carry a small but effective .38 caliber revolver that I can pull out and aim in 2 seconds. If I had been in that room, I would have at least TRIED to nail the guy. Maybe I would have failed, nobody can look back in time to see but don't you think an attempt to minimize the slaughter would be worth a try?

[Matsubara]

36. Let's assume you are properly trained in gun safety and a good shot.

Then let's assume you were there, and your adrenaline didn't get the best of you and you actually took out the kid before he got you, then great.

But for every trained responsible gun owner there are five who don't know what they are doing and who would screw it up royally.

On the other hand, if hadnguns had been strictly controlled for the last few decades, by this point even black market ones would be hard to come by and chances are the kid would have been forced to use something less lethal and more easily stopped.

I think that in the case of this particular shoooting, the relative merits of our scenarios are a draw, but the other benefits of a gun-free society far outweigh the drawbacks. Most gun crimes are committed by a person who knew the victim - a jealous husband shooting his wife in a drunken rage, or a young gang-member wannabe killing a classmate over some perceived disrespect. The easy availability of handguns allows these crimes - which the culprits often soon regret - to happen more often. But I'm sure you're aware of the stats and that gun owners are more likely to be shot with their own guns than one belonging to a stranger...

[beevul]

35. I tire of asking this...

"It's also highly likely that the whole student body being armed would lead to a lot MORE shooting incidents on an annual basis"


Can you show just ONE post in the last 48 hours that suggests arming the entire student body?

[Matsubara]

38. So I guess what the gun-lovers are REALLY suggesting...

...is to arm only those students who are destined to be targeted by the crazed gunman?

Okay, consulting crystal ball...


LOL

[beevul]

44. i'll take that as a no.

"Can you show just ONE post in the last 48 hours that suggests arming the entire student body?"

I guess you can't.

Enjoy your straw.

[Evoman]

28. ...............

:puke:

[ends_dont_justify]

41. because making a cartoon about it is inappropriate

It's why christians find offense at jesus cartoons, muslims at mohammed cartoons, etc etc. Decency.

[LanternWaste]

47. Ummm.... what's the fact you are referring to?

Ummm.... what's the fact you are referring to?

As for me, it's disturbing because it's using the deaths of innocents to further a political agenda. What normal person *wouldn't* find that offensive?

[HughMoran]

50. More guns = less deaths?

LOL - that's flawwed logic also.

Yes, I have a gun in my house to protect myself.

Yes, I leave the bar when I know someone is packing.

I do NOT hang out with people who are paranoid.

[Forkboy]

29. Charming.

:puke:

[AZBlue]

30. Is that the new NRA logo?

Suits them perfectly.

[sakabatou]

37. Warui (bad)

[Tiggeroshii]

42. baka

would be apropriate as well

[sakabatou]

51. Or it's variations

Like "bohen-baka"

[Swamp Rat]

39. I vandalised that shitty cartoon

Suck on this Lester:

[ends_dont_justify]

40. MSNBC hosted that???? WTF is their problem?

:wtf:

on edit: htt p://cag le.msnbc.com/new s/VirginiaTechShootings/i mages2/lester.jpg thank god for firefox and 'view image' feature

[LeftishBrit]

46. That is sick

I wonder how it must make the parents of the victims feel.

Revolting, at a time like this. I'm amazed anyone would publish it.

[Hobarticus]

48. Lester's long been a right-wing hack...

Need a reactionary cartoon? He's your man.

[HughMoran]

49. Heh - being a RW hate monger is a tough job

...but some heartless ass-hole has to do it.

Pathetic.