Thank GOD we didn't have to rely on these assholes to pass CIVIL RIGHTS legislation.

[chimpymustgo]

This whole process has been an abomination. Lack of LEADERSHIP and COURAGE all around. This is a MORAL issue that should not have been compromised so readily - really from DAY 1.

The health care bill is AWFUL, but the abortion restrictions (approved by the non-tax paying Catholic Church) just take this into another circle of hell.

We started this fight with majorities in BOTH houses, with the political winds at our backs, and we fucked around and ended up with THIS? And the Senate bill will be even worse - if it passes at all.

We have squandered the political opportunity of a generation or more - to affect meaningful and DESERVED change for people. It's infuriating, embarrassing, and heartbreaking.

[Coyote_Bandit]

1. Exactly

Meaningful healthcare reform is my line in the sand. I will definitely consider this piece of shit proposal that has masqueraded as healthcare reform the next time I vote.

[Triana]

2. Ditto that...my sentiments exactly. DISGUSTING. n/t

[Sebastian Doyle]

3. If the current DLC controlled Congress had been faced with the Civil Rights Bill

They would have instead reinstated slavery, and told us it was the "first step on the road to equality".

[glitch]

6. No kidding.

And if we don't lap it up with shit-eating grins on our faces, we're whiney babies pitching clenched-fist tantrums.

I resent members of our party being craven, but I REALLY resent their insistence we join them.

[NoPasaran]

12. And Dennis Kucinish would have voted the same was as Strom Thurmond

[bvar22]

14. DLC controlled Congress?

DLC controlled White House:

The DLC New Team
Progressives Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

[Sebastian Doyle]

15. Unfortunately, this is also true

But I was specifically referring to last night's shitty vote in the DLC controlled House.

[ProleNoMore]

23. The DLC Continues The Death Of Democratic Principles

eom

[kenny blankenship]

4. Subsidies for the KKK in exchange for voting rights. Mandatory enrollment in White Citizens Councils

(with dues automatically deducted from your paycheck) in exchange for desegregation. After watching these feculent links of "health care reform" sausage drop out of DC, it doesn't sound so crazy. If the current bunch of DLC weasels had been in power back then, there probably would be compromises like the ones in my subject line.

[rurallib]

5. Lyndon Johnson, Mike Mansfield and Hubert Humphrey led the charge

One other thing. There were a few sane Republicans back then - eta - before the "Southern Strategy" became one of their central tenets.

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[kenny blankenship]

11. Keep talking - you're doing great!

Tell me more about what it would be like to be "surrounded by 200,000 queers." Talk dirty to me, baby!

[rurallib]

16. Damn - what did I miss?

[aquart]

8. Didn't it take an assassination to pass all that?

IIRC.

[chimpymustgo]

10. It took LBJ knocking heads and doing whatever it took to ensure JUSTICE prevailed.

[aquart]

17. LOL!

As I recall, Kennedy couldn't pass a thing till he was dead. Johnson used the hundred days to ram it all thru, even if he had to use narrow passages.

[onenote]

9. you realize that it took repub support to get civil right legislation passed?

And that the repub party back then doesn't even remotely resemble the repub party today.

[redqueen]

25. Shhhhh... logic and reality are not welcome on these threads. (nt)

[pansypoo53219]

13. today's RITE WING gnews make it so

talking heads and navel gazers nitpick at EVERYTHING so nobody moves and the gnews can feel smart.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Actually, we do have to rely on this crew for some civil rights laws - actually a repeal - DADT

We know how that will go.

[HamdenRice]

19. More really, really bad history. It seems contagious these days. Democrats were MUCH worse in 1964

There were many Democrats in both the House and Senate who were downright, outspoken segregationists. At least no one in the party these days is proudly "pro-evil." The party was much more corrupt, paid off, and controlled in "back rooms," before the introduction of the primary system.

Civil Rights bills were passed with the assistance of liberal Republicans -- the Jacob Javits type Republicans -- as well as northern Democrats.

And LBJ, every historical illiterate's favorite example of "moral leadership" on civil rights had spent years killing civil rights bills in the Senate.

Martin Luther King was excoriated during his lifetime by the left as an "Uncle Tom" for preaching patience, non-violence and giving LBJ the benefit of the doubt on eventually coming up with a bill.

All that is conveniently forgotten so we can make up bed time fairy tales about how much better things were back then.

[DailyGrind51]

20. Oh, but the "free market" would have taken care of that too, eventually, say, in the next millenia.

[Vidar]

21. K&R

[bluetrain]

22. K&R

[pleah]

24. K&R

[ecstatic]

26. Do you know it took 100 years from the time slaves were freed

to the civil rights legislation?

And that there is still work to be done when it comes to civil rights?