So we clench our fists in tight little balls and purse our lips and

[Skidmore]

sit right where we've been for the past few decades. No reform of any kind. We just agree with the Rs that the status quo is just hunky dory. What next?

What next is that health care costs continue to grow, coverage shrinks, and more and more sicken and die. Period. This is a fact.


There are some assumptions being made that I think just won't hold water. What we need to be working for is increased coverage AND huge oversight of the insurance industry, starting with losing its anti-trust exemption status and getting it out of the banking business. It needs to operate within the pool of revenue it collects from the policies it sells. Period.


But, if you want to sit there and hold your breath and dig your heels in, so be it. We'll spend another generation in the wilderness with no progress whatsoever being made.

[NYC_SKP]

1. We should let people w/o access sit and die while we fight over details. Fuck 'em.

:sarcasm:

I could go on....

K and R

[951-Riverside]

2. If they have a "pre-existing condition" they'll still die. Fuck details! n/t

:sarcasm:

[NYC_SKP]

4. The Bill is EVIL and Grayson, Conyers, Pelosi, Obama are all LIARS!

:sarcasm:

Alan Grayson: "This is a time for celebration."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4ZfeqOzVk

[Life Long Dem]

3. I'm not falling for the "better than nothing" when I feel it's not our best.

When I feel we can get more. We saw how the President handles the top CEO's. Our best just doesn't make it.

[Skidmore]

5. Fact: The legislation is halfway there.

Senate ways in and then we get a conference. No one is saying not to fight for additional progressive minded legislation, but totally killing ANY progress in the area of healthcare reform is not the answer either. In fact, I find it morally reprehensible, especially from this party that so long has deplored the RW emphasis on the fetus over the born. I find it just disgusting.

[Raineyb]

9. Once the senate weighs in the bill will be even worse than it is now

The Senate hasn't been remotely interested in improving things and EVERYTHING they've proposed has only been worse than the house.

What I find disgusting is the fact that the Democrats are handing us this shit sandwich after they sabotaged their own negotiations from the beginning. You NEVER negotiate from a compromise position if you're serious about getting something decent. And that's exactly what they did the second they declared that single payer was not on the table.

And now we're supposed to trust them to negotiate something better? Based on what this stellar performance?

Pardon me if I don't have as much faith in our party after this abysmal performance.

[Skidmore]

12. Well, start hammering the Senate. I've been doing it for

weeks. Turn the shit sandwich into a peanut butter sandwich. Stop whining. Throwing the sandwich away is equally counter productive.

[Life Long Dem]

13. I don't fall for the progress talk.

I just think we can leave the corporations out of this, negotiations and 'all'.

[Aramchek]

6. you nailed it. those who are throwing a fit about this bill, were breath-holding babies

for sure.

[lumberjack_jeff]

7. I think the trembling little chins are cute. n/t

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

8. Funny how drama queens like to accuse others of being drama queens

The petulant and immature position is yours.

Your supposed hard-headed pragmatism is like listening to Dick Cheney talk about how "serious" people favored the Iraq War.

Your view is not serious, it is corrupt which some take as seriousness since it lacks all connection to ideals. Some people reflexively associate contempt for principle with seriousness of purpose.



Actual serious people tend to draw the line at certain rights and principles, like not establishing religion in federal law.

[Skidmore]

10. Oh, I'm serious alright, and I understand that

doing nothing is doing nothing AND that it has consequences. I also understand that without care and resources already sick people become sicker and there will be many of them at that die while we wait around for everyone to get the clean victory they think they deserve. There is no Death Star to blow up. This is not Star Wars. Like it or not, we move forward in this nation in fits and spurts, because our government was established in such a manner that we are forced to hash things out. Now, let me set you straight on something, I draw the line at allowing others to die because I choose idealism. I choose dealing with real facts in the real world and working toward the ideal. Right now we are working on a giant step forward, one that was started decades ago. Civil rights and womens right and workers rights and now health rights are being fought. None have been resolved by a single piece of legislation or a single court decision. The battles are fought on many fields to move the nation forward.

[emulatorloo]

14. If I could rec this post I would. Good history lesson

[Skidmore]

15. Thank you.

Too often, people forget that change is a scary thing and happens in increments. And all to many seem to think that one fell swoop of the pen is all it takes to change law. With so many moving parts to the structure of our government, common sense should inform that nothing is static or resolved no matter how much ink is used.

[Egnever]

16. Well said!

[Bobbie Jo]

11. K&R

[emulatorloo]

17. K&R n/t