So where did the wave of anti-choicers come from?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

I had not known that so many DUers were of the "bad women should have to pay for their fun" or "government is supposed to establish religious principles in health policy" schools.

Who knew?

Where did this come from? Did the dismissive anti-choice crowd just decide that if Obama is cool with it it must be good? Or was there always this much contempt for women's rights (a contempt women are perfectly capable of holding) simmering under the surface without a position sufficiently self-righteous to embolden folks to come out with it?

It's a trip.

[Sebastian Doyle]

1. Same place all the other anti-Democratic bullshit comes FROM

if you get what I'm sayin'......

[Cherchez la Femme]

48. Yet they all seem

to be the presidents best supporters. Funny, that.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

61. It's only fun to say that they are Hillary's best friends.. not Barack's.

[PeaceNikki]

2. It's unreal. And sad.

[Sinti]

3. C Street - the Cedars

CNP, and any other number of theocracy-promoting groups. There's basically a cult out there pushing for theocracy from every front they can. It's not just Republicans and never has been. Dems just don't generally do it in the daylight. We are hesitant to address it, and that is a problem, IMO.

http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/organizers-mainmenu-223/writer-staff-mainmenu-291/larry-jones-mainmenu-275/5732-the-c-street-house-a-republican-and-democrat-can-of-worms

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/24/bart-stupak-c-street-demo_n_244156.html

[cali]

4. beats the hell out of me. and surprises and dismays me.

fuck the anti-choicers. just fuck 'em.

[ZombieHorde]

5. K&R I am being accused of being "tricky" and trying to "piss people off" just for asking.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6958148

[Hepburn]

6. Maybe some don't recall what it was like prior to Roe v. Wade?

Unbelievable bullshit on here about how women truly and really are 2nd class citizens ~~ and not merely to another person, but second class to a fetus.

:puke:

May those who are looking forward to the return of the coat hanger and back street butchers rot in hell.

Take a clue: What the woman wants is more important than what the hell is in her womb. If you don't support that ~~ then IMO you need to get the hell out of here.

JMHO

[Enrique]

7. I haven't seen it

are people really saying anti-choice things here?

[Odin2005]

8. DU is infested with misogynists.

[tridim]

9. Where did your quotes come from?

Certainly not DU.

[ProSense]

18. That's exactly what I'd like to know. n/t

[tridim]

25. After waiting an hour for the answer it's now clear.. They're ass-quotes. nt

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

27. Your dumb question didn't seem to warrant a response, but since you persist

Ronald Reagan was of the "pay off the rich and let the poor fend for themselves" school.

I doubt Ronald Reagan ever said that.

How would you punctuate that sentence?

It is a characterization and the use of quotes is only controversial to someone intent on reading for contention, rather than comprehension.

[tridim]

30. Your fake quote problem is a big problem.

Quotes mean someone spoke the following words. You use them to create strawmen that simply don't exist on DU.

Asking for a citation is never a dumb question.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

32. A "straw man" readily visible as real to most people in this thread

Your blinkered dismissal of what you don't want to see may serve you psychologically but it doesn't work as a reality to impose on others.

[tridim]

35. Keep digging.

They're still 100% made up, straight-from-the-ass quotes that no real DU'er would EVER say or has EVER said.

[The Magistrate]

37. Here Is A Direct Quote From last Night, Sir, Copied And Pasted

Owing to rules against calling out, i will not give a name or a link, and if you wish, you can of course call me a liar....

"I'm talking about irresponsible people who just want to have fun and pay no consiquences."

[tridim]

41. Thanks, why was that so hard for the OP whom I posed the question?

However the OP also claims "so many DUers" (a proper use of quotes BTW) agree with this quote, and that thread doesn't indicate general DU support at all. Quite the contrary.

Still a strawman and a big old stinkin' broadbrush.

[tigereye]

73. boy, that's an old and tired quote - straight from the anti-choice crowd

back in my clinic escort days. Total bullshit.



:hi: sir!

[The Magistrate]

40. And Another Item, Sir....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6963482

[tridim]

43. That post isn't a quote, it's a third party report of something someone said to someone else.

[The Magistrate]

44. Lower In The Thread, Sir, You Will Find a Link To The Post Quoted

The quote is accurate.

[tridim]

45. Got it, still one person's opinion is not the same as general DU support.

[The Magistrate]

46. Let Me Be Blunt, Sir: There Was a Good Deal Of This Sort Of Swill Posted Last Night

It was not necessary for me to look to find these two example; one was remembered, and the other popped up on the Latest listing. A real search would doubtless find scores of examples. The O.P. did not exaggerate in any serious manner in his complaint. The proprietors, of course, do not bar members for holding anti-abortion views, so people holding such views have every right to comment here. But people who find their comments outrageous have every right to complain about it.

[tridim]

47. Opinions are fine, broad brush accusations are not.

I wouldn't have had any problem with the OP if the quotes were A) Cut-and-paste accurate and B) Attributed to the posters instead of DU in general. It offends me as a long time DUer and a 100% pro-choice defender.

[uppityperson]

51. I know we have had our differences, but I wanted to say thank you.

seriously, thank you very much for your support.

[snake in the grass]

60. Here's another person's opinion...

...from August 27th of this year:

16. Abortion is being shamelessly promoted here.

As if it is a good thing, easy and quick and with no repercussions. Just because I am not interested in standing out in front of a clinic with tape over my mouth doesn't mean I like the idea of it actually being promoted like this.

25. Point is, there are options.

And absent medical necessity, abortion ought to be the very last resort in dealing with an unexpected pregnancy. It is not at all a simple or quick decision.

33. Contraception and maybe even abstience(sic) come to mind.

The entire thread here.

That kind of church lady irrationality is offensive.

[sabrina 1]

58. So, you support this bill which just threw

a woman's right to make her own medical decisions, out the window? Btw, that's not a quote, it's a question! I
will look forward to your response, but until then, I assume since you do support the bill, women's rights are not a major concern of yours.

[Mithreal]

59. The anti-women rhetoric on DU is real.

[Brickbat]

10. Women are second-class citizens everywhere.

Even in the "progressive" movement. Sometimes especially in the "progressive" movement.

[Le Taz Hot]

14. It's NOT the progressives

that are marginalizing gays and women. Look again, it's the Party Faithful.

[Brickbat]

20. *Shrug*

I wasn't speaking of a specific caucus or group of people, and I wasn't speaking specifically about the Stupak amendment. The left? Democrats? Progressives? Really all of society, when it comes down to it, of course.

ETA: I've seen enough self-described progressives throw surprising things under the bus that the term doesn't mean much to me, frankly.

[Le Taz Hot]

21. I'll cut you some slack because you're new.

But fair warning, Progressives on DU are a distinct group and differ greatly from the goose-stepping Party Faithful. There may not be a difference to you but there's a BIG difference on DU.

[Brickbat]

31. I know, I've seen it.

Which is why I didn't capitalize it. Trust me, I've been around, and new names on old bottles don't do much for me.

[Sebastian Doyle]

34. More like the Party faithless (since they have no faith in ACTUAL democracy)

Of course, I'm speaking of the Demented Lovers (of) Corporatism.

[The Straight Story]

11. There are a lot of folks who believe 'your body, your choice' is not good(nt)

[chill_wind]

12. It IS a trip.

A growing contingent of regulars here capable of rationalizing anything and everything.

[chimpymustgo]

28. That's it - it's more rationalizing than being anti-choice ( I hope). Some folks gotta believe in

their heroes.

[Horse with no Name]

13. When they shoved out and tag-teamed all of the progressives

during the primaries.
There are some folks who think a "win" is a "win"...and it doesn't matter if the prize is a shit sandwich.

[donco6]

17. +1

[cali]

22. st ill making shit up and whining, I see.

No one was shoved out during the primaries. that's a wholly false canard.

[Horse with no Name]

29. And here is one of the most vile offenders now

Color me shocked. Not.

[cali]

33. wait a minute, I thought I was supposed to me anti-choic e

according to your brain dead theory, sweeetums.

[The Magistrate]

38. Actually, Ma'am, Most Of The People 'Purged' In Primary Season Were Centerist Types

The expulsions, you may recall, were concentrated among supporters of Sen. Clinton, who tended to be more 'main-line' types than other-wise.

[Horse with no Name]

50. Not talking about the Hillary purge, Sir

But there were a lot of folks (who are still technically members here) that were run off by the tag teams.

[The Magistrate]

52. To Put It Bluntly, Ma'am

People who agitate against a Democratic nominee for President running a winning campaign can expect a hard time on a board which openly states it is dedicated to advancing the election of Democrats. So can people who feel called upon to routinely denounce the actions of a Democratic President and Congress en toto.

[Horse with no Name]

53. So advancing Democratic candidates at the expense of Democratic principles

is the ultimate agenda? Am I understanding you correctly, Sir?

On edit:
At this point in time, we have the knowledge of how well THAT worked.

[The Magistrate]

55. What Does That Mean, Exactly, Ma'am?

This is a commonly encountered line, and in most instances the only definition for 'Democratic principles' the utterer can offer is, 'what I think is the right thing'. Yet the candidate who is said to be advanced at the cost of sacrificing 'Democratic principles' generally has been voted for in a primary and in a general election by a great many Democrats, and the utterer can advance no ground for stating as fact the candidate does not reflect the values of the bulk of those Democrats who voted for him or her. You must be prepared to consider that a great many Democrats may have a different answer to the question 'what are Democratic values?' than you do, and must also face the possibility that there is no authority or objective standard you can appeal to for a measure declaring you are right and all these others are wrong.

[Horse with no Name]

57. I'm talking about well-defined platform issues, Sir, not wedges

Things like civil rights. Things that Democrats have traditionally ALWAYS stood for that are currently being traded like pogs.
I'm not necessarily talking about the wars between the Presidential candidates, but instead some of the infighting between the Harold Ford's (which I don't consider a progressive candidate) and some of the other candidates (which we now are calling the Blue Dogs).
I assert that those in this party that are willing to trade ANYONE'S Civil Rights are neither democratic nor are they Democrats and they should be purged. They are interlopers destroying our party from within.

[apocalypsehow]

68. I laughed my ass off when that crowd of so-called "progressives" got their well-deserved

Tombstones.

What a bunch of anti-Democratic (edit to say: and RACIST against our nominee) swine they were - especially the ones named "Maddy"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Starry Messenger]

15. A little of both.

There's always been a strain of contempt for women here and now that our party is giving their imprimatur to our expendability it is boiling right out. It's usually the same people who laugh with cruelty at the gay posters here. Lots of the usual suspects around today.

[Greyhound]

16. K&R.

[left coaster]

19. An undercurrent of contempt for women and women's issues is still as American as apple pie...

The following was well observed, and written almost 40 years ago.. but, don't kid yourself, it still holds far truer today than it should.. all across the globe..


Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...think about it
Woman is the nigger of the world
Think about it...do something about it

We make her paint her face and dance
If she won’t be slave, we say that she don’t love us
If she’s real, we say she’s trying to be a man
While putting her down we pretend that she is above us

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t believe me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Ah yeah...better scream about it

We make her bear and raise our children
And then we leave her flat for being a fat old mother then
We tell her home is the only place she would be
Then we complain that she’s too unworldly to be our friend

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t believe me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yeah (think about it)

We insult her everyday on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she’s young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world...yes she is
If you don’t believe me take a look to the one you’re with
Woman is the slaves of the slaves
Yes she is...if you believe me, you better scream about it.

We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance


-JL

[Cherchez la Femme]

49. My sig line

has referenced just that since almost my start here
in a form where it wouldn't get erased, of course

Just a year & 8 months... but thank you for posting it

[seabeyond]

23. this is same kinda argument repugs used with war. no to war, you want to allow terrorist to murder

us in bed. why do you hate america

they base the argument to the most ridiculous to shut people up

the people that are thumbs up with the health care have all kinds of argument from what i have read. there may be some that feel a female that gets an abortion should pay.... but i dont know if the reason is pay for their fun. but there are a lot of other arguments with this abortion thing that is beyond and have nothing to do with what you suggest.

you paint a dishonest argument to rally around

i dont appreciate that approach at all. resolves nothing. no thinking to it. a waste of time.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

24. Funny that you assume I am talking about you

I paint an honest picture of what I am painting a picture of.

[seabeyond]

26. funny you would assume i assume. i, in no way, thought you were talking about me

i have hardly been in this debate. i dont have a lot to say on it. i have mostly been reading the threads, listening to all sides, and what this bill will do, or not do.

not much discussion from me

so no, i never thought your comments had anything to do with me

and no, you dont even kinda paint an honest picture. it is a very dishonest picture. which is the only reason i posted on this thread.

[The Straight Story]

39. Do you firmly believe and stand behind 'your body, your choice?'

Or do you do so only sometimes? And if only sometimes, where do you draw the line?

[ljm2002]

36. The rabid right has controlled the terms of debate...

...for so long that people are unaware of it and adopt their thinking.

First they accept the "partial birth abortion" terminology. The fact that 99% of such procedures are done when the woman's life is in imminent danger is simply ignored and emotion rules the day.

Second they accept that the right to privacy -- the basis of Roe v Wade -- does not apply to abortions, because after all, it's a baby we're talking about. So we stop talking about the woman altogether, she is merely a vessel for the baby, who is viewed as whole, and cooing, and innocent and cute as a button -- and utterly defenseless against the evil harlot who wants to kill it.

Third they actually believe that they have the right to stick their noses into the most private decision a woman can make, because they want to impose their own morality on us.

Just for the record, I have a deep belief that women have the right to abortion if that is what they choose. It is part of my own spiritual thinking; therefore, it is just as protected as any belief the damned Christo-fascists have.

[LWolf]

42. Good question. nt

[bluetrain]

54. They showed up during the primaries in enormous numbers and drove many of the real progressives

away from this site. There was no effort made to rein their misogyny in and they overtook DU. I had a Mod apologize to me for their behavior, but was told there was nothing he could do.

[QC]

63. Bingo. n/t

[apocalypsehow]

65. Bull. Fucking. Shit. n/t.

[New Dawn]

56. Its from the same people that oppose Single Payer. They are just being consistent (right-wing).

[tekisui]

62. They rode Obama's coattails into DU and the Democatic Party.

Fuckin' blue mutts and blind apologists have corrupted and diseased the party. We need a purge at the representative level and here at DU is Liberalism is to have a place in either.

[ecstatic]

64. I see many DUers saying a flawed bill is better than no bill

but since when does that equal the things you said in your OP?

[apocalypsehow]

66. Got a link to these supposed "quotes"? Or is this just more whiny asshattery?

:shrug:

[Fumesucker]

67. Read the thread, quotes have already been posted. n/t

[apocalypsehow]

69. Where? Repost them here, genius. n/t.

[BeHereNow]

71. WOW, that is SOME comment in your profile.

Thanks for the honesty and the warning.
BHN

[apocalypsehow]

72. And it is heartfelt, trust me. I always thought right-wingers were the biggest pricks on the planet,

until I started posting here. Then I figured out that our side has nothing on the Right when it comes to people being dicks.

One supposed "progressive" here on DU, disagreeing with me about Obama vs. Hillary during the primaries, actually suggested that my (then) five year old daughter would be better off dead than having me as her father. He gleaned that info off of my profile page, and proceeded to make his despicable comment. And this poster was not a "freeper plant" or right-wing troll - he's still posting right here on this forum, and has a big thread up now.

That's when I put that quote on my profile page.

[Bluenorthwest]

70. they have been here disguised as merely anti gay

they are the same old hate crowd, the right wing, religious, speaking in circles.