I was away most of yesterday...Why are people calling for Kucinich's head? n/t

[Subdivisions]

[valerief]

1. He voted against the insurance mandate bill. nt

[Subdivisions]

8. So are we supposed to kick him out of the party now, or what? n/t

[WeDidIt]

21. It's time for a primary challenge

Kucinich is an obstructionist of the progressive agenda.

[valerief]

22. Oh, no. I love DK. nt

[ProleNoMore]

11. Roger - He Voted Against A Wall Street Style Bailout Of the Insurance Industry

eom

[Barack_America]

17. Which also happened to be the most serious attempt at reform we've seen since '94.

[ProleNoMore]

20. So - A Bad Bill Is Still A Bad Bill

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[Barack_America]

28. "So" will not save the 45,000 Americans who will die due to lack of coverage this year.

[ProleNoMore]

32. Hmm - And How Will Those 45,000 Pay For The Mandate Health Care

That is really designed to make the insurance companies wealthier by increasing teh number of people in their for-profit pool?

[Barack_America]

36. Are you suggesting it is better to be dead than be fined?

And can you explain to me why, if this is such a windfall for insurance companies, they fought it tooth and nail?

[abelenkpe]

38. Good question

As it stands now when one is unemployed they can choose to extend their old benefits at an outrageous cost no one can afford for long before rendering them destitute. With rising unemployment this trend will continue increasing the number of people without health insurance. I personally know friends who work full time, get no insurance through work and cannot afford health care. If the public option (starting later) does not cost significantly less how does this help those who already can't afford health care afford health care? What's to stop those 45,000 people from dying before we begin this plan? Why are we punishing those that clearly cannot afford care with penalties for not buying insurance out of pocket?

Health care should not be for profit.

[Barack_America]

2. He voted with the Blue Dogs and GOP on HCR. nt

[ProleNoMore]

4. No - He Voted Against A Bad Bill - Be Honest

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[Barack_America]

13. He recorded the same vote as the GOP and Blue Dogs.

The House does not record "No, but" votes, it records "yes" or "no".

Kucinich, the Blue Dogs and the GOP all voted "No" to HCR.

There is nothing dishonest about that statement.

[ProleNoMore]

15. So - No For Dennis Equals A No For A Bad Bill - The Distinction Raised is Meaningless

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[still_one]

23. You are both wrong. He voted for an ideal that could not be achieved today

Others believe you need to start somewhere and build on it

[ProleNoMore]

25. Wishful Thinking At Best

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[still_one]

31. and so is thinking that Congress would vote for single payer today. At least this bill

if it becomes law, can be changed. No bill, means nothing, you have to start from square zero, and there is no guarantee that they will have the votes to accomplish that in the near future

[ProleNoMore]

33. One Is Delighted That One Is Happy - This One Is Not Happy And Will Not Be Brow Beaten On This Topic

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[still_one]

37. excellent /nt

[abelenkpe]

41. Congress no

But if you put that vote to the people yes it would.

[ProleNoMore]

3. Because Some Don't Like The Fact That He Is A Man Of Principle And Character

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[Barack_America]

6. And others can't afford his "principle and character". nt

[ProleNoMore]

12. Without Character, We Get Bills Like The One Passed Last Night

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[Barack_America]

14. Without access to health care we die. nt

[ProleNoMore]

18. Without Affordable Access For All The Risk Is Not Spread And The Cost Stays The Same

People Still Die.

[Laf.La.Dem.]

24. Man of Principle and Character??

Mr. Joseph Cao R-La. voted his principle and character - he could have easily voted the right wing - oops - GOP side - he voted AFTER the 218 votes to pass the bill.

Thank you Mr. Cao a man with principle and character:patriot:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

27. He is the lefty equivalent of Joe Lieberman.

Oh wait, that's an insult to Lieberman - he's actually passed a few bills. Kucinich is a grandstanding asshole that stands for nothing except advancing his own brand. Nothing - absolutely nothing more.

If you want to support a lefty that actually does something, support Bernie Sanders.

[Cirque du So-What]

29. What medical conditions do DK's principle & character pay for?

This is cold comfort to anyone who can't obtain health insurance due to a preexisting condition (come hell or high water), who has run out their lifetime limit on coverage, or work for employers who don't offer anything resembling 'affordable' insurance to their workers. Lofty ideals don't make a very satisfying meal.

[saltpoint]

5. Because the little brat bolted.

[Horse with no Name]

7. He dared to have a spine AND be called a Democrat

at the same time.

[MuseRider]

39. :)

That does take guts!

[QC]

9. He voted against the Insurance Corporation Bailout Act. n/t

[Individualist]

16. Correct answer.

The DLCers know that the bill was authored by the insurance companies, and that's why they're attempting to smear Dennis for opposing it.

[Warpy]

10. Kucinich voted against the health care bill

along with a few other progressives. They're calling him out as too ideologically pure to be retained.

Personally, I'm glad a few progressives voted against this one. The Stupak amendment is completely unacceptable.

Had the vote been closer, my opinion would be different. However, there were enough favorable votes for progressives to make their stand known.

[MadHound]

19. Because he dared to utter to the truth, that the emperor has no clothes,

That this is a horrible bill that strengthens the corporate hold on this country.

[valerief]

26. The bill that should have been passed was to make all health insurance companies non-profit again,

like they were before the HMO explosion in the 80s.

[liberalmuse]

30. He doesn't look so good on paper.

Years from now, when people look at his votes, they won't have a clue he was one of our finest liberals.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Because he didn't play ball with the sellouts and the "pie in the sky" DLC'rs are upset.

[L0oniX]

35. Assholes are being shamed by his stand.

[Greyhound]

40. Because our party still isn't Republikun enough for some.

It seems principles and human rights are just too expensive to ask our masters to bear.

This bill helps just as many people as bankruptcy "reform", welfare "reform", and TARP has, but we were all supposed to just take our beating, lick the boot, and crawl back to our hovel until we're called again.

But as our majority shrinks away and the Republiks regain the power to finish the job once and for all, it will be somebody else's fault.

[Bumblebee]

42. I have a suggestion. Why doesn't Kucinich form his own party and

his supporters can then vote for him ALL the time. Or he and Nader can share the same party, which, on the other hand, is probably not a good arrangement given the egos involved.

[Greyhound]

43. Even better, why don't you go and take your own party back? n/t

[Flaneur]

45. Be careful what you wish for. Y'all are still whining about Nader costing you the election.

[stray cat]

44. you miss the posts annointing him god evidently

[Odin2005]

46. the nitwit voted against the damn bill!