Stupak and the boy's club:

[Are_grits_groceries]

I am beyond pissed at those santimonious jackasses. However, I know that my anger is probably not nearly as great as the fury among The Democratic women who felt sold out and undermined.

This isn't over by a long shot. I don't know what will ultimately happen to the amendment, but the boys better be very careful. The Democratic women will not forget this, ever. They will plan and hit the boy's club when they least expect it.

I don't think they will crow and make a big deal out of an issue. They will quietly leave the boys wondering what hit them. Then they will just smile and keep on going while making another plan. Payback is a bitch, and I think there will be very long memories for many women. I will be watching to see what they do.

"Revenge is a dish best served cold."

It will be on the menu for a long, long time.

[Mari333]

1. you said it. knr. nt

[saigon68]

2. Stupak is really a POS

I have watched his antics for a while.

He is worthless beyond belief.

[gaspee]

3. Sick and tired

Of this bullshit. Gays and women, who's next? Democratic party, my ass - how about republican light party. And I'm sure stupak is congratulating himself with how many babies he's saved. Sanctimonious prick. People - oops, sorry - women, not actual people - are going to die because of this shitstain and I can't believe so-called democrats let him do this. With a fucking female speaker of the house. Fucking sanctimonious, C-Street fuckstick, shitstain, asswipe.

As a dyke, I can say the democratic party might not be the party for me any more. Of course, the lower than dirt republican asswipes are ten million times worse - so what's a person to do? That's what I thought.

[thunder rising]

4. Not just women. Anybody that grew up before abortions were legal know that restricting abortions

kills women. I mean anybody. The reason for Roe V Wade was that poor women were dying while those with means could get an abortion legally.

Outlawing Abortion does not reduce the number of abortions. It just increases the deaths.

[Are_grits_groceries]

20. That's true.

I'm still trying to figure out how the Catholic Bishops got into the legislative process so openly. If they were that visible at this point, what in hell are they doing that we don't know about?

[tomm2thumbs]

5. Debbie Wasserman Schultz seemed to see a bigger picture in it

and I deferred to her comments about it - and the fact that Pelosi was leading the effort gave me some sense of confidence this particular vote was a pawn temporarily sacrificed to save the queen and win the overall game later.

[corpseratemedia]

7. that is how I'm seeing it.

because I don't think it's equal protection under the law. And it will be challenged.

[tomm2thumbs]

18. if that were to remain in the bill

so you are saying, that element would be thrown out by the courts if it reached its way into the final bill?

[Are_grits_groceries]

19. I think the challenge would come after it is signed into law.

I'm not sure about that.

[tomm2thumbs]

22. makes sense - especially how it limits people in the public market

[corpseratemedia]

21. I agree w #19 as the probable course

If it's a constitutional right, how much more access can be restricted before it's no longer a right that's supposed to be guaranteed?


from http://www.now.org/press/11-09/11-08.html


"NOW Opposes Health Care Bill That Strips Millions of Women of Abortion Access
Says Bill Obliterates Women's Fundamental Right to Choose


Statement of NOW President Terry O'Neill

November 8, 2009

The House of Representatives has dealt the worst blow to women's fundamental right to self-determination in order to buy a few votes for reform of the profit-driven health insurance industry. We must protect the rights we fought for in Roe v. Wade. We cannot and will not support a health care bill that strips millions of women of their existing access to abortion...

The Stupak Amendment goes far beyond the abusive Hyde Amendment, which has denied federal funding of abortion since 1976. The Stupak Amendment, if incorporated into the final version of health insurance reform legislation, will:

* Prevent women receiving tax subsidies from using their own money to purchase private insurance that covers abortion;
* Prevent women participating in the public health insurance exchange, administered by private insurance companies, from using 100 percent of their own money to purchase private insurance that covers abortion;
* Prevent low-income women from accessing abortion entirely, in many cases.

NOW calls on the Senate to pass a health care bill that respects women's constitutionally protected right to abortion and calls on President Obama to refuse to sign any health care bill that restricts women's access to affordable, quality reproductive health care."

[bluetrain]

6. I have no plans to take this quietly.

[Are_grits_groceries]

9. I'm not saying you should.

I was pointing out what I think some of the moves in the House may be.

Those assholes deserve to be hit with an inside/outside approach. They jumped in at the last minute to hold the entire bill hostage until the Catholic Bishops approved it. There were other problems the leadership was dealing with in the Blue Dogs, and then here came the Castrated Caucus.

I just think that they have made some real enemies who will find a way to beat them quietly over the head. it won't be so quietly behind closed doors.

[bluetrain]

10. I have no faith in these people. If they're bending over this far now, there's really no telling how

far they'll go, how many of us they'll sell down the river.

[Are_grits_groceries]

11. *sigh*

I don't believe anything I'm told anymore.

However, after Rep.Chris Smith lectured women before the vote, I'll bet the blood pressure of some people went up into the stratosphere.

The other odd thing about this is the lack of outrage from NARAL and others. Maybe I missed it, but I thought they would be shouting in the streets.

Something is going on. It may be a court challenge although I'm not versed enough in the law to know the ins and outs of that.

Those assholes need to be slapped from the outside bigtime.

[bluetrain]

15. I hope it's a court challenge. I don't understand how mandating bigotry is legal.

[Mari333]

8. what bothers me more are the dems on here who dont care

they are behind anything the dems pass because they are dems. Would they have supported the Iraq war because so many dems signed onto it? seems like it. republican lite is what it is.
why keep voting for republican lite?

[malaise]

12. Is he part of the 'Family'? n/t

[Are_grits_groceries]

14. Stupak denies knowledge of connections to mysterious ‘C Street’ house he lives in.

http://michiganmessenger.com/23484/stupak-denies-knowledge-of-connections-to-mysterious-c-street-house

I loathe these people.

[comtec]

13. I can't see how any progressive would see this bill as a good thing

That women will be charged more is complete, (and yes i'll say it) misogynistic bullshit!

I have been looking into moving back... for assorted reasons... but this... this travesty of a joke of a bill...

To call it health care anything, let alone "reform" is beyond the pale!

Normally I like to suggest reserve... but that is out the window.

Just remember.. most of us here on DU are on your side.

[Are_grits_groceries]

16. I was trying to figure out the women in the House.

I hope the Castrated Caucus gets beaten over the head every time they peep.

It should be pointed out that they were looking to the Catholic Bishops for guidance. I pointed out in another thread that Protestant Evangelicals aren't fond of Catholics. They may agree with them on abortion issues, but I'm not sure how thrilled they will be with some of their Reps using that group as the guiding authority.

I can't imagine some of the Southern Reps won't hear some shit about this because they overlooked the PEs.

I haven't figured out what I think about what is going on. I don't like much of what I've seen, but this process is so far from over that there may be a public option for pets before it is over.

The Senate has to vote to let a bill even reach the floor for debate, and then it faces a cloture vote. If the Senate can get a bill out, then it goes to a House and Senate committee to iron out the differences. One bill will come out of that committee and that bill will have to be voted on.

There are probably so many machinations going on between who knows who that I think the House Bill may be chopped into an unrecognizable mess in committee if it gets there.

I STILL want to know where NARAL and the other big Pro-choice people are.

[Are_grits_groceries]

17. The worst part of the whole process for me

is the nagging feeling that whatever happens is out of our hands. I can't shake the feeling that it basically has been decided for the most part for who knows how long. I have that twitchy feeling I thought I would be rid of for a while.

It is in the winds of Congress, and Gawd help us all.