No offense, but it IS disconcerting seeing DU and FreeRepublic joining forces...

[Bicoastal]

...in opposition to the passed HCR bill for PRECISELY opposite reasons.

Especially when there were several liberal heroes on BOTH sides of the vote.

[Birthmark]

1. They're not joining forces. That's ridiculous.

[emulatorloo]

3. No but there are weird BIZARRO WORLD parallels

[Birthmark]

5. I guess in Bizarro World...

...one can make up any parallels one wants to invent. Their relation to reality is almost always...tenuous, to put it kindly.

[emulatorloo]

7. Self delete -- too tired to make sense

[Birthmark]

8. I'm getting there myself. ;)

It's a bit late to discuss the finer points of Bizarro World. :scared:

I'm off to bed. Have a good...um, morning.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

2. I only know of one liberal hero that voted against it. Who else?

[Ozymanithrax]

4. There will always be people who will ballance 40,000 lives against perfection and choose perfection

For some here at DU, any compromoise is too much. The only thing they have in common with Freepers is that they believe this is the wrong bill.

They have a legitimae gripe. It could have been better. Unfortuantley, with our particular system something better would not have passed.

Liberals and progressives don't have to agree on everything. They will get over the los and we will find things that we can agree with.

[Birthmark]

6. Another ridiculous assertion.

Virtually no one is looking for perfection. Adequacy would have been just fine. But not even the low bar of adequacy was met.

[Kitty Herder]

10. Amen to that. nt

[Ozymanithrax]

11. 38 million more people will be insured...

They can not be refused for pre-existing conditions.

If they loose their jobs they can go right on public option.

When they get a job, they can stay on the public option.

Anti-trust exemptions on health care insurance companies are history. They can not claim whole states as their personal fief.

I think they did a good job within the confines of our system. It is more than adequate...as a beginning.

I prefer to work to to give a little more life to those 40,000 people who die every year because they can not get health insurance. I prefer to help people live.

[Birthmark]

18. 38 million more people will be insured? By what year?

Wanna bet?

[Ozymanithrax]

20. That is what the bill calls for.

That is what it is supposed to do.
Please read through the bill, and explain which provisions in the bill will no work. I've read the exectuive summar of the bill and many of its provisions.

Post some facts instead of denials that show the intent of the bill is not to incrase coverage.

[DemBones DemBones]

15. Yes, adequacy, not perfection, would have been fine.

There is a lot to dislike about this bill and you know what? Virtually nobody in Congress, Dem or Rep, gives a shit what we the people think. Neither does Obama. That's disgusting.

[Ozymanithrax]

21. Please post some proof that you can read minds.

Otherwise, I can not see how you know what virtually everybody in Congress thinks. Only CIA officers that kill goats with their minds have that level of mental powers.

You seemed to have deduced that information from the opinion that you don't like this bill.

Have you read the bill, even its executive summary?
Which provisions of the Bill reveal the inner workings of the minds of virtually everybody in Congress?
Why will the bill not work?

[Kitty Herder]

9. Is this about people or is it about issues?

It's not about Freepers or DUers. It's about healthcare. And the fact that the two groups oppose it for opposite reasons should tell you all you need to know.

[G_j]

13. it's a perfect

shell game.

[LostInAnomie]

12. For some people principles are all that's important.

It keeps them from ever having to make hard decisions.

[kickysnana]

14. This is a bad, bad bill. n/t

[mmonk]

16. That's life. One side is fighting it because it isn't what they want

and the other side is fighting it because they are too stupid to realize they got what they always fight for.

[Mari333]

17. bullshit.FR is against everything done by dems

even if its a watered down giveaway to the insurance companies.
Many DUers are progressive and want to see National Health Care like the european model.
FR wants nothing to do with the european model. They dont know what they want because they are too stupid to know what the bill even says.
Criticism of this bill is necessary and timely, and should be done . especially when billions are being sent into a black hole of 2 unnecessary wars and billions are being sent to wall street bailouts.

if the dems arent held to task by other dems, who will hold them accountable? no one.

FR is neocon. DU progressives are left of center, which means left of appeasement and selling out to big business. FR is FOR big business fucking people over.

[bigtree]

19. that's like claiming anti-war folks are 'joining forces' with al-Qaeda

. . . because both are advocating an end to the occupations. Despicable logic.

[Tim01]

22. And I had thought it was amazing when Bush caused the same thing.

It is distressing that we are now seeing a pattern of the powers-that-be pissing off both sides of the American public.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. Unrec.

for epic fail.